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ssj3vegeta_
08/01/17 7:56:16 AM
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08/01/17 7:58:03 AM
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If you don't like it, you can watch Girls instead
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wackyteen
08/01/17 7:58:51 AM
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"We haven't written any scripts yet," he said. "We don't have an outline yet. We don't even have character names," he said. "So everything is brand new and nothing's been written. I guess that's what was a little bit surprising about some of the outrage. It's just a little premature. You know, we might f**k it up. But we haven't yet."


It won't matter whether or not you 'fuck it up'. People are still gonna be 'outraged' without ever watching it.
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KiwiTerraRizing
08/01/17 7:59:04 AM
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I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise.

The south was never going to win. As Shelby Foote said the North fought with one arm behind their back, if it got bad they just had to remove the other arm.
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voldothegr8
08/01/17 8:00:40 AM
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I can already hear regressives lighting their torches and sharpening their pitchforks.
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Chicken
08/01/17 8:01:13 AM
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You mean they didn't win? Why do white people of present day get such hatred over slavery then?
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OpheliaAdenade
08/01/17 8:01:25 AM
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Sounds like a racist fantasy piece.
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1337toothbrush
08/01/17 8:02:59 AM
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I'm okay with this. Special snowflake right-wingers wouldn't be able to handle the portrayal of how shitty it would be and they'd demand that it be censored to instead look like a utopia because they're anti-free speech like that.
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Delta_F14
08/01/17 8:03:55 AM
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There's several shows/movies that show the Nazis winning WW2, so this isn't that "offensive".
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LightningAce11
08/01/17 8:04:08 AM
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If it turns out to be like Django Unchained, then I'm fine.
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DrRidleyKins
08/01/17 8:06:48 AM
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I love alternate history stuff so I'm fine with this. I'm also not American
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Darkman124
08/01/17 8:07:26 AM
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Delta_F14 posted...
There's several shows/movies that show the Nazis winning WW2, so this isn't that "offensive".


seriously, man in the high castle casually mentions that the jews in america were also mass-murdered and it showcases the continued efforts to remove them

anyone who gets pissy about alternate history TV shows that clearly identify the historical villains as villains in the show is ridiculous
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thompsontalker7
08/01/17 8:08:05 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
If it turns out to be like Django Unchained, then I'm fine.


Django happened before the Civil War though.

As for Confederate, I hate the premise because shows of this nature rarely exist to tell a story. No, this is going to be thinly conveyed allegory for current events, and they're gonna be hoping that people tune in every week with that in mind.
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ImaAskAQuestion
08/01/17 8:12:03 AM
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Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively.
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Darkman124
08/01/17 8:12:54 AM
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thompsontalker7 posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
If it turns out to be like Django Unchained, then I'm fine.


Django happened before the Civil War though.

As for Confederate, I hate the premise because shows of this nature rarely exist to tell a story. No, this is going to be thinly conveyed allegory for current events, and they're gonna be hoping that people tune in every week with that in mind.


point is django portrayed slavery in a non-offensive way because those in favor of slavery generally got exploded.

and i think man in the high castle is a demonstration to the contrary of your second point although i'm still not sure WHAT story it's trying to tell, but it's definitely not about current events.
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foreveraIone
08/01/17 8:14:45 AM
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Don't like it? Don't watch it. Not a hard concept.
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MakoReizei
08/01/17 8:18:31 AM
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ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively.

Slavery wouldn't be a thing still though.

Even back then slavery wasn't going to be feasible for much longer. The idea of a hypothetical confederacy still having slavery in 2017 is ludicrous.
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voldothegr8
08/01/17 8:27:18 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively.

Slavery wouldn't be a thing still though.

Even back then slavery wasn't going to be feasible for much longer. The idea of a hypothetical confederacy still having slavery in 2017 is ludicrous.

LOL are you really implying that if the south had won slavery would be abolished regardless?
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Darkman124
08/01/17 8:28:46 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...

LOL are you really implying that if the south had won slavery would be abolished regardless?


he is. do you have any knowledge of the economics underlying his reasoning?
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Scorsese2002
08/01/17 8:29:07 AM
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If Amazon can do The Man In The High Castle, HBO can do this.

Alternative history shows can be good/interesting. There will be outrage regardless.
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MakoReizei
08/01/17 8:32:55 AM
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the last western country to abolish slavery was Brazil in 1888.

Would slavery really have lasted longer than that in the Confederacy assuming they won?

also, the rapid advancements in technology were making slavery obsolete.
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faizan_faizan
08/01/17 8:33:49 AM
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Sure. I think it would be really interesting. Kinda like Wolfenstein with its Nazi rule in its alternative universe.
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1337toothbrush
08/01/17 8:36:32 AM
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MakoReizei posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively.

Slavery wouldn't be a thing still though.

Even back then slavery wasn't going to be feasible for much longer. The idea of a hypothetical confederacy still having slavery in 2017 is ludicrous.


Yeah, free labor would become infeasible! By the way, even though it's technically illegal slavery exists in a number of countries.
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Solid Sonic
08/01/17 8:37:09 AM
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Sure, what the hell.

History is definitely written by the winners, though. It's another scenario where I can't imagine the US losing (though it seems more plausible than The Man in the High Castle, since I really don't think people would have been okay with the Axis Powers winning WW2). Would the US just have surrendered and said "sure, you can be your own nation, WDGAF"?
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MakoReizei
08/01/17 8:40:45 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
MakoReizei posted...
ImaAskAQuestion posted...
Only if it shows that slavery would be still a thing in the nation, documenting the harsh realities because the south is so regressive and would hold progression back massively.

Slavery wouldn't be a thing still though.

Even back then slavery wasn't going to be feasible for much longer. The idea of a hypothetical confederacy still having slavery in 2017 is ludicrous.


Yeah, free labor would become infeasible! By the way, even though it's technically illegal slavery exists in a number of countries.

yeah, in countries like Mauritania.
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voldothegr8
08/01/17 8:42:21 AM
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Darkman124 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...

LOL are you really implying that if the south had won slavery would be abolished regardless?


he is. do you have any knowledge of the economics underlying his reasoning?

The economics of dirt cheap labor?
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DevsBro
08/01/17 8:43:21 AM
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lol

Should be a short show. There are only so many angles you can shoot a smouldering crater from.

I guess they could spend most of the show talking about the great overalls with both buttons still present ban of 1871 and the descent to complete illiteracy by 1884.
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creativerealms
08/01/17 8:44:46 AM
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Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.
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Solid Sonic
08/01/17 8:45:52 AM
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There's some interesting things you could do.

Like the North surrendering during the Civil War but then later on secretly funneling money and weapons to slaves in the South in order to spark a rebellion down the line. Then the North assists with an invasion of the South once the rebellion begins and takes it back.
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Darkman124
08/01/17 8:46:47 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...

The economics of dirt cheap labor?


so, no.

that labor is not "dirt cheap" due to the security required to maintain, feed, and house it; the price of labor always must factor in opportunity costs against what is being given up (mechanized, skilled labor); abolition of slavery in europe impacted the supply of slaves shipped to western nations; etc
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lilORANG
08/01/17 8:56:42 AM
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That sounds pretty cool. I have a hard time imagining a country with a racist president and vocal confederates getting their way over more reasoned and principled people.

Should be a trip
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gmanthebest
08/01/17 11:20:21 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Darkman124 posted...
voldothegr8 posted...

LOL are you really implying that if the south had won slavery would be abolished regardless?


he is. do you have any knowledge of the economics underlying his reasoning?

The economics of dirt cheap labor?

That's a no.
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hollow_shrine
08/01/17 11:22:32 AM
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Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure?
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Villain
08/01/17 11:23:44 AM
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Scorsese2002 posted...
If Amazon can do The Man In The High Castle, HBO can do this.

Alternative history shows can be good/interesting. There will be outrage regardless.

I don't recall outrage for man in the high Castle
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glitteringfairy
08/01/17 11:30:35 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure?

We need to be constantly reminded that black people are victims
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AlternativeFAQS
08/01/17 11:32:17 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
Why are all the "black" shows on these premium stations about black people suffering? Can I get some more stuff like Atlanta or Insecure?

We need to be constantly reminded that black people are victims

mainly because quite a few people pretend like nothing's wrong
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Muffinz0rz
08/01/17 11:35:22 AM
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Nasty_Nitro
08/01/17 12:18:38 PM
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YES! lets fantasize about a world where the actual racists won the war and get to keep their slaves....WTF im not cool wit this at all
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ZombiePelican
08/01/17 12:32:14 PM
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Oh_Boy_
08/01/17 12:33:14 PM
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CE's dream come true.
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Muffinz0rz
08/01/17 12:33:24 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America

Where was all the outrage when this came out?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
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ZCheveyo
08/01/17 12:36:27 PM
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I honestly don't care what people make shows/movies about.

None of them are going to offend me, and if I'm not interested in the product then I just won't fucking watch it. I don't complain, or get offended, every time Tarantino comes out with a new movie....I just simply don't watch it.

People really need to get over themselves.
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ZombiePelican
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Muffinz0rz
08/01/17 12:43:02 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America

Where was all the outrage when this came out?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War

Did you even click the link?

Oh

I did not

I assumed it was about the Confederacy lolol
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s0nicfan
08/01/17 12:44:28 PM
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There's already a show that plays with the idea of the Nazis winning WW2. I don't see how this is inherently any worse.
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AlisLandale
08/01/17 12:46:52 PM
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Slavery in 2017 sounds far-fetched.

But the idea of a split United/Confederate States in 2017 sounds interesting. And how the two national cultures would have diverged.

Maybe the Confederacy actually maintains a super hard "states rights" stance while thr US becomes more and more centralized around the federal government. That dichotomy would be cool.

And mayb throw in some re-unification politics or something.
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BeyondWalls
08/01/17 12:51:19 PM
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...
I can't get behind such a ridiculous premise

This. It's soooooo dumb.

First of all, as someone who lives in North Carolina, I can't wait for my home to be depicted as nothing more than racist Nazis. So looking forward to that. Second, the history makes no damn sense. The South was always going to lose and Slavery was on its way out even back then. That's absolutely no way that slavery would continue to present day. That's fucking ridiculous. Did the rest of the world just die? The whole premise is so stupid.
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Kanaya413
08/01/17 12:52:59 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Right now we have an alternate reality TV show where the Nazi won world war two, and an alternate future show where women are enslaved in a fundamental Christian like society so why would this be going too far? It's not.

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08/01/17 12:53:01 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.S.A.:_The_Confederate_States_of_America

Where was all the outrage when this came out?


This was fucking hilarious.

And yeah, I'm down for the show.
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