Board 8 > So is Dunkirk actually good or just critic bait?

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Nah, I'm good. I'll just stick to lighthearted jabs at you that you take too seriously because that response just shows you don't know me at all. It's better that way.
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LapisLazuli posted...

As for me, I've gotten 3 people who were thinking about seeing Dunkirk to change their mind. Good ol' word of mouth :)

Wow your enjoyment of media really does rely entirely on what other people think

People say you can't consume media incorrectly but this is it
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LeonhartFour posted...

Nah, I'm good. I'll just stick to lighthearted jabs at you that you take too seriously because that response just shows you don't know me at all. It's better that way.

Haha, whatever you say!

foolm0r0n posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

As for me, I've gotten 3 people who were thinking about seeing Dunkirk to change their mind. Good ol' word of mouth :)

Wow your enjoyment of media really does rely entirely on what other people think

People say you can't consume media incorrectly but this is it

I don't even know how to make sense of this backwards ass post.

Do you.....do you think I called up friends of mine to tell them I didn't like Dunkirk?
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That post certainly makes it sound like you did since you were bragging about how three fewer people will be seeing the movie solely because of you.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Do you.....do you think I called up friends of mine to tell them I didn't like Dunkirk?

I mean it's 2017 you probably used some form of social media
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Because we had people over and his girlfriend knew we saw the movie and asked us. Holy crap.

If your opinion on me is that low, I don't really see the point in interacting with you in the future period! At least now I know.

And I only posted like I was "bragging" because foolmo was being his usual asshole self.
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foolm0r0n posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Do you.....do you think I called up friends of mine to tell them I didn't like Dunkirk?

I mean it's 2017 you probably used some form of social media

Nope, none. I have a twitter and tumblr for following purposes only, haven't logged into Facebook in 9 years. Social media sucks, talk in person. I barely even call people.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Got me foolmo.

As for me, I've gotten 3 people who were thinking about seeing Dunkirk to change their mind. Good ol' word of mouth :)

In all fairness this is a terrible post no matter who you're responding to or why
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I mean what we're doing barely qualifies as interaction but if you think me taking a few jabs at you for fun means I have a low opinion of you then maybe you're right

Like my intention with these posts is not to elicit the captain obvious response of "my friends are my friends because we have stuff in common"
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Are you really frustrated that people won't let you be a dumb asshole in peace?
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I am a little frustrated

So far in this topic not a single person has managed to say why they liked the movie, and instead immediately began attacking my general character as soon as I said I didn't like it. I even brought up some points in an attempt to engage, but nobody even made a passing gesture to converse.

So you'd understand why it's hard for me to really care about what you've got to say after that, right?
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You know how sometimes Vlado raises anti-Nintendo or anti-liberal points which might (might. Like occasionally. Mostly with the Nintendo stuff, the cartoonish deep state conspiracy stuff is harder to identify with) actually have some vague merit but it just gets lost in his terrible, aggressive, obnoxious wording, so he just ends up getting personal responses in return because why engage with that? Imagine like a much less severe version of Vlado for why people aren't immediately engaging you on a deep intellectual level here.
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You spent the entire topic arguing that a movie you haven't seen and know nothing about is bad because it shares a fucking rotten tomatoes score with other boring movies.

And then you actually watched the movie and had EXACTLY ONE WORD to say about it: "boring" (two if you count "real" as part of your review).

So ITT there is literally no way to discuss your opinion on the actual movie. How do you not realize that? All there is to see is some dude neurotically caring about what other people think of the movie, who also has a history of bashing people for posting opinions he doesn't agree with, even if they are detailed 1000-2000 word analyses trying to have real discussions.

But sure be Vlado and believe the only reason people think you're dumb is because you have an epic brave anti-PC opinion.
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I don't even need a deep intellectual discussion. There's not even a mention of a single factor of why anyone enjoyed this movie in this topic, other than "I liked it".

I apologize for any over aggressiveness in this topic prior to that, the overzealous jabs at Boyhood were pointless. Though I can't really say I'm sorry about anything once foolmo starts posting.
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Just walked by the movie theater and people were saying that Dunkirk was the best film of the year. Stopped them and said, "I know a guy who says this movie is really boring."

They paused and looked at each other and said, "Sounds like some guy you know is an idiot."

That's not me saying that. That's two random pedestrians near a movie theater.
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You spent the entire topic arguing that a movie you haven't seen and know nothing about is bad because it shares a fucking rotten tomatoes score with other boring movies.

Oh boy, please point to post where I said it was bad before seeing it. I'm excited.

And then you actually watched the movie and had EXACTLY ONE WORD to say about it: "boring" (two if you count "real" as part of your review).

So ITT there is literally no way to discuss your opinion on the actual movie. How do you not realize that? All there is to see is some dude neurotically caring about what other people think of the movie, who also has a history of bashing people for posting opinions he doesn't agree with, even if they are detailed 1000-2000 word analyses trying to have real discussions

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You cant make it two more posts past that, I believe in you.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Just walked by the movie theater and people were saying that Dunkirk was the best film of the year. Stopped them and said, "I know a guy who says this movie is really boring."

They paused and looked at each other and said, "Sounds like some guy you know is an idiot."

That's not me saying that. That's two random pedestrians near a movie theater.

What's your goal with this post?
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Well they shared about as insightful an opinion on the movie as you so I figured you would want to meet them and discuss it.
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so much edge in this topic
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Probably to call you an idiot if I was to hazard a guess

Edit: Oh never mind guess not
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So did everyone just see red as soon as I said I didn't like it and lose the ability to read for the next couple of posts? I realize it was only a couple of minor points but I didn't realize people were actually gonna be unable to see it. Guess I just need to dump all my thoughts into a single giant post from now on, just really tough to do that on mobile.
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To be fair, the second post just reiterated the original post without much additional content aside from a spoiler that suggests you were confused. Having not seen the movie, this may be a valid criticism. But it wasn't particularly substantial.
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Yes, it was minor. I had more to go off of it and elaborate on once a conversation began, and I've got quite a lot to say about the movie past that, but I don't tend to make long drawn out posts until I'm sure a back and forth is going to happen, not to mention the previously stated mobile issues, so I started small.

And then foolmo posted so any hope of that ended.
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I mean, if we all stopped what we were doing whenever foolmo posted something snotty, we would have no board to speak of.
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LapisLazuli posted...

Got me foolmo.

As for me, I've gotten 3 people who were thinking about seeing Dunkirk to change their mind. Good ol' word of mouth :)

Yeah, this seems like a pretty bad post and I could see why it'd make people not want to discuss it with you
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HashtagSEP posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Got me foolmo.

As for me, I've gotten 3 people who were thinking about seeing Dunkirk to change their mind. Good ol' word of mouth :)

Yeah, this seems like a pretty bad post and I could see why it'd make people not want to discuss it with you

Yes, this was a terrible post, made specifically because of foolmo's history of being a total shit to me. There was no real reason to being it up, I got caught up in my reaction to him. I'm sorry it ruined any attempt at actual discussion with other people
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I mean, if we all stopped what we were doing whenever foolmo posted something snotty, we would have no board to speak of.

I guess I just can't really let it go. I realize it's foolmo's gimmick to be an asshole but I'm just not OK with it.
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LapisLazuli posted...

foolmo's history of being a total shit to me

To be clear this is referring to me criticizing games that he likes

I never directly called him an idiot until he started taking those are personal insults and lashing back at me

I guess everyone else in his life just agrees with him to avoid hurting his feelings, so he expects that from everyone? Seems like those friends he "convinced" did that as well
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Dunkirk was excellent. Not sure if its Nolan's best film like some are saying (but didnt some say that about interstellar too for its first few weeks?), but its definitely at least upper mid tier.

Things I liked that are small spoilers at best
1) The faint ticking clock sound throughout the film
2) The fact that they dont refer to names very often in the film (some didn't like this aspect, but I thought it was kinda cool)
3) The way they linked 3 stories together, each spanning different amounts of time (land - one week sea - one day, air - one hour)
4) Kenneth Branagh's scenes
5) Mark Rylance's scenes, he was kinda the compass of the film in a way
6) Harry Styles was surprisingly good, he was getting unfair criticism from people I talked to before seeing the film. Not sure if that was happening on a national level conversation though

Overall its entertaining and tells a great story, and perhaps until this movie one of the most under talked about and underappreciated heroic decisions of WW2
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foolm0r0n posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

foolmo's history of being a total shit to me

To be clear this is referring to me criticizing games that he likes

I never directly called him an idiot until he started taking those are personal insults and lashing back at me

I guess everyone else in his life just agrees with him to avoid hurting his feelings, so he expects that from everyone? Seems like those friends he "convinced" did that as well

Man, none of this is true.

Even on the level of just the disagreements in games, the way those conversations went was you making a statement about how much you didn't like something, me disagreeing and stating some reasons, then you flying off the handle and posting a.bunch of insults, even going to oersonal insults pretty much straight away. It was all really confusing stuff at the time because I just didn't know how you were. I couldn't believe how volatile you were about it, having never really noticed your posts before.

I'm sure you'll deny this. He said she said BS is pretty much pointless in this case really.
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Metal_DK posted...

Dunkirk was excellent. Not sure if its Nolan's best film like some are saying (but didnt some say that about interstellar too for its first few weeks?), but its definitely at least upper mid tier.

I've unfortunately not seen Interstellar yet. My favorite Nolan film is still The Prestige! I've enjoyed all of his movies which is why my coolness on Dunkirk is so surprising to myself. My honest expectation was that because the promotional material hadn't gotten me hyped that my lack of excitement was going to end up making it blow me away, but that didn't work out. I feel I honestly may have walked out around the hour mark if someone wasn't with someone. Thankfully I didn't.

Metal_DK posted...

Things I liked that are small spoilers at best
1) The faint ticking clock sound throughout the film
2) The fact that they dont refer to names very often in the film (some didn't like this aspect, but I thought it was kinda cool)
3) The way they linked 3 stories together, each spanning different amounts of time (land - one week sea - one day, air - one hour)
4) Kenneth Branagh's scenes
5) Mark Rylance's scenes, he was kinda the compass of the film in a way
6) Harry Styles was surprisingly good, he was getting unfair criticism from people I talked to before seeing the film. Not sure if that was happening on a national level conversation though

1) this was pretty great, though I didn't notice it a ton other than once or twice. There was another particular grungy score that stood out.

2) Not so much an issue with a lack of names, but there were several points towards the end where I didn't know who was who or what was happening in what order. I don't know when the French guy died or if he even did. I don't know who poked their head out into the fire. I don't know who was specifically left to drown in the collapsed boat. I couldn't tell who the drinking and eating guy on the train at the end was. Maybe it was intentional to magnify the chaos, but there was a 5 minute period where I pretty much lost track of everything.

3) I like this idea a lot in theory and think it was well done. It just didn't end you working for me. Not thatbthat part was confusing, I just got kind of tired of every time a "reveal" happened.

4) He was noticeably awesome. Wouldn't want to see.more of him beamcause the savcarcity made it work.

5) agreed.

6) I wasn't a huge fan of him, though I was unable to really tell him apart from Fionne Whitehead often. I had no idea who he was before this, though. Some singer?

Overall its entertaining and tells a great story, and perhaps until this movie one of the most under talked about and underappreciated heroic decisions of WW2

I had never heard of the event before this movie, so you've got a point there.
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foolm0r0n posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

foolmo's history of being a total shit to me

To be clear this is referring to me criticizing games that he likes

I never directly called him an idiot until he started taking those are personal insults and lashing back at me

I guess everyone else in his life just agrees with him to avoid hurting his feelings, so he expects that from everyone? Seems like those friends he "convinced" did that as well

You should really read LtM's posts in the politics topic. He's actually a really good guy who makes a lot of cogent points. :)
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Tbh I think the problem with people on this board is that they feel they need to belittle people they obviously don't want to have a conversation with, for valid reasons or not, and would rather not try to have more productive dialogue if they actually want to reply to them.

Thus, it makes surfing through a lot of topics pretty unenjoyable.
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I wish you were wrong, but now that some discussion of the movie has started happening people seem to have stopped posting, as if they don't really care if there's not an argument...
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I think the problem is that most people didn't go see it yet.
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So why come in here?
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this topic was pretty entertaining, we should have more topics like this
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Because people enjoy discussing things that interest them and up until the point you saw the movie, everyone was on equal footing for the discussion.
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This is true, I guess the topic didn't imply immediate spoilers.
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Alright I'll give ltm a chance.

Still, to call Boyhood overrated trash. Why did you use those specific words? I get not liking a movie, everyone has a few films they dislike that have received critical acclaim.

I mean a 100% movie being overrated, sure it can happen. When you call it trash, you're putting in the 0-30% range. That puts it in the Jack and Jill range. So of course you can't act surprised when people disagree with that assessment.

Now let's take Mark Kermode's radio show review of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6J2g4LX7sg

You said the shooting period was irrelevant, but that point gets refuted.

praised as a masterpiece of cinema because of how it was made,

In the 8 minute review, how much of the praise concentrates on that point? Not that much.


But this isn't just about Boyhood, let's see what your thoughts are on other critically acclaimed films. You showed such strong opinions and appear to be eager to debate the quality of a movie. I mean you are lamenting why so few people will talk to you about Dunkirk.

I'd be happy to see what your views are on the following critically acclaimed films:

Aguirre: Wrath of God
La Dolce Vita
Cinema Paradiso
Chungking Express
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Breathless
Don't Look Now
Sonatine
The Asphalt Jungle
In the Mood for Love
The Deer Hunter
Rome, Open City
Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
The Conversation
The Conformist

Now that's a pretty wide selection of acclaimed films. Some are better than others and they cover a very wide range of taste.

I assume you've seen at least half of these, but let's get a cursory opinion on them and then if you feel like it, we can go over these films and talk about them without using words such as "trash", "garbage" and "overrated".

I know a few users have talked glowingly before about some of these films. People do occasionally want to check out what all the fuss is about.
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As someone who hasn't seen nor decided to see the movie yet, I came in here looking to see the opinion the topic creator had for the movie. I was initially let down by the initial 'really boring' review and subsequent arguments taking place, but I am thankful that back and forth is now being discussed and content is available by multiple users.

I am posting due to observations for lack of posters.

In before Thanks for that Luster
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I have a particular dislike for Boyhood that I exaggerated. I certainly went too far with my language. I won't even attempt to deny that.

Not only have I not seen half those movies....I haven't heard of any of them other than The Manchurian Candidate!

I am not a film buff and I won't pretend to be.
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Never got the love for boyhood, ok but nothing special.

Dunkirk was significantly better, not sure why the fuck people are comparing the two
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voltch posted...

Alright I'll give ltm a chance.

Still, to call Boyhood overrated trash. Why did you use those specific words? I get not liking a movie, everyone has a few films they dislike that have received critical acclaim.

I mean a 100% movie being overrated, sure it can happen. When you call it trash, you're putting in the 0-30% range. That puts it in the Jack and Jill range. So of course you can't act surprised when people disagree with that assessment.

Now let's take Mark Kermode's radio show review of the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6J2g4LX7sg

You said the shooting period was irrelevant, but that point gets refuted.

praised as a masterpiece of cinema because of how it was made,

In the 8 minute review, how much of the praise concentrates on that point? Not that much.


But this isn't just about Boyhood, let's see what your thoughts are on other critically acclaimed films. You showed such strong opinions and appear to be eager to debate the quality of a movie. I mean you are lamenting why so few people will talk to you about Dunkirk.

I'd be happy to see what your views are on the following critically acclaimed films:

Aguirre: Wrath of God
La Dolce Vita
Cinema Paradiso
Chungking Express
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Breathless
Don't Look Now
Sonatine
The Asphalt Jungle
In the Mood for Love
The Deer Hunter
Rome, Open City
Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie
The Conversation
The Conformist

Now that's a pretty wide selection of acclaimed films. Some are better than others and they cover a very wide range of taste.

I assume you've seen at least half of these, but let's get a cursory opinion on them and then if you feel like it, we can go over these films and talk about them without using words such as "trash", "garbage" and "overrated".

I know a few users have talked glowingly before about some of these films. People do occasionally want to check out what all the fuss is about.

Am I the only person who started reading this in Vincent Gambino's voice from My Cousin Vinny? Like, when he's in full sarcasm mode? Not a very friendly post to start conversation, sir.

Edit: also, reading some of those movie titles in his voice is hilarious
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Well, you could try watching some of them, they're not bad imo (taste differs with many)

They have received strong acclaim for a reason. Even if you don't like the film as a whole, they generally have a lot of discussion points.

The Asphalt Jungle is an excellent heist fllm

Don't Look Now, stars Donald Sutherland and is one of the more interesting horror films I've seen.
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neonreaper posted...

It almost looks like he would rather see Valerian...? Dude

hell yeah let's go see Valerian
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LtM, could you go into detail on why you think Boyhood 'sucks' and is 'overrated trash'?
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guys can this topic be about valerian now

like how awesome is it that after the wildly successful (and bad!) lucy, luc besson took all that clout and said, "i want to do the fifth element again. but bigger. more expensive. get me rihanna"
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I had a friend go to it and they said it was full of great ideas but sort of a mess to slog through. Good to hear that it might not be bad!
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rihanna isn't awesome.
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