Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 114: Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated!

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There was a time where I thought reasonably highly of McCain. Oh how foolish I was
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I still think McCain has good intentions and the fact that he regularly speaks out (even if he doesn't change his votes) is better than nothing. But yeah, I really wish he would do more.
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wait the PPP poll

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html

Trump's right about one thing though- he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose most of his support. 45% say they would still approve of him even if he shot someone to 29% who say they would disapprove, and 26% who aren't sure one way or the other.

... how it this real life
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Way more than 45% of people will support a cop they've never even heard of before in that same situation, not surprising they'd do the same here with someone they're mentally invested in.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

wait the PPP poll

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html

-Only 16% of voters think politicians generally draw lines for Congressional and Legislative districts that are fair, to 60% who think they're usually unfair. Just 23% of Republicans, and 13% of Democrats and independents think that district lines are currently being drawn in a way that's generally fair.

-68% of voters would support laws in their states requiring that Congressional and Legislative district lines be drawn in a nonpartisan fashion, to only 10% opposed to those kinds of laws. 71% of independents, 70% of Democrats, and 63% of Republicans support nonpartisan redistricting.

holy shit an issue on which there is actual bipartisan grassroots agreement

too bad nothing will come of it because the party in power always has too much to lose from changing how districts get drawn
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GuessMyUserName posted...

wait the PPP poll

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/07/health-care-a-mine-field-for-republicans-many-trump-voters-in-denial-on-russia.html

Trump's right about one thing though- he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue and not lose most of his support. 45% say they would still approve of him even if he shot someone to 29% who say they would disapprove, and 26% who aren't sure one way or the other.

... how it this real life

Is that purely Republican voters? Because his approval rating is already well below 45%, so I assume that must be it?

So about a fifth to a quarter of the voting population's reaction to Trump shooting a dude would be "HE MUST'VE TRIED TO MAKE AMERICA LESS GREAT!", I guess.

"Neat"

Also, wait, what was your 4th option there, poll, "Approve" "Disapprove" and "Iunno" seems like it covers your bases.
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Only 26% of Trump voters admit that Russia wanted Trump to win the election, 44% claim Russia wanted Hillary Clinton to win, and 31% say they're not sure one way or the other.

lol
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"Russia didn't care about our elections one way or the other" would be one thing

"Russia wanted Hillary to win" is a truly fascinating stance

I'm curious how many of those people saying Russia didn't want Trump winning the election are simply ignorant because they just haven't been paying attention to anything.

Well, according to the Vlado crowd, Russia wanted Hillary to win so that the Deep States in both could engage in perpetual, planet destroying war, for their own profit. Trump is the rebel pacifist preventing that.

The Vlado crowd shouldn't be 44% of Trump voters though.
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Skyridge87 posted...

I'm curious how many of those people saying Russia didn't want Trump winning the election are simply ignorant because they just haven't been paying attention to anything.

A responsible ignorant person taking a poll says they aren't sure.
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Jakyl25 posted...

The Vlado crowd shouldn't be 44% of Trump voters though.

Imagine if 44% of Trump voters were actually Bulgarians illegally voting in U.S. elections. What a twist that would be.
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If 44% of the Trump crowd was Vlado, we should be getting some serious heaping helpings of fanfic.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

I still think McCain has good intentions and the fact that he regularly speaks out (even if he doesn't change his votes) is better than nothing. But yeah, I really wish he would do more.

I've felt McCain has good intentions but has lost the will or ability to play the political game himself.

scarletspeed7 posted...

If 44% of the Trump crowd was Vlado, we should be getting some serious heaping helpings of fanfic.

Have a dose of his Deus Ex playthrough Topic:

I learned that the situation in the US was kind of like now, but reversed. In the game, it's Congress and Senate defending the ordinary people, while the President was betraying them and siding with the globalists.

The conversation continued, and Paul said some truths perfectly applicable to the real world - there was a cabal of wealthy and powerful people who wanted to create a world government... Mentioned Rockefeller a couple of times... And this kind of thing is why I named this playthrough this way!

Then, I found a newspaper, and apparently the new spin of the Liberty Island attack was that I organised it, even though I actually stopped it... lmao. These globalist media shills sure are desperate, not unlike those in our own world.

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lmao Vlado
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In an ideal world McConnell would be taken down by someone from the neocon wing of the party like Lindsey Graham.

In fact this whole fuckup by McConnell may result in a return to a more neoconservative approach by the GOP. I understand why they got away from it (Bushs 2nd term wasa dumpster fire for the GOP and shifting (at leadt rhetorically if not in fact) towards libertarianism won them a few elections but between Ryan and McConnells uhh lets call it lackluster leadership in the last 6 months we may see that other wing emboldened the same way the Democrats socialist wing is emboldened right now by Hillary's failure to beat Trump.
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Meanwhile, Fox is hot on the heels of the real story:
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/887506608258940928
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How does Tucker live with himself? Somewhere in there is a moderately intelligent dude who, while partisan, at least understands the issues

Hannity is just a loud, obnoxious moron, though. One look at his Twitter is evidence of that.
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I'm convinced Trump's dying words are going to be "but her e-mails."
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"Many people are saying...I will live..."
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https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/887366526600335360

I feel so betrayed!
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Well when dealing with Russians it is best to bring along a Doctor of Thuganomics
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it took so long to identify him because no one could see him
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/887366526600335360

I feel so betrayed!

...I was actually formulating a way for this to make sense in context of the flag match this weekend, but then I remembered this wasn't the G20 Dinner with more Putin, but last year's Trump Tower meeting between Trump personnel and family members with Russians.
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I laughed so damn hard when The Five on Fox was literally running a story about "BUT TRUMP IS STILL SLIGHTLY MORE POPULAR THAN CLINTON."

Like, I would hope so! You kinda beat her in the election.
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Well
He did get fewer votes than her!

But yeah, given that he's now President Trump and not Candidate Trump she is no longer a relevant point of comparison (and compared to other presidents at this point in their terms his approval rating suuuuuuuucks)
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In 6 months time if he doesnt crater more he can at least be more popular than Bushs 2nd term
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http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/msnbc-is-the-no-1-cable-news-network-among-adults-25-54/335330

MSNBC killing it

Maddow's demo ratings are incredible
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http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/gop-senator-jumps-subway-tracks-get-away-reporters-sinking-healthcare-bill/
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At first I thought that URL was going somewhere much darker
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Gateway Pundit is actually fake news (they were one of the sites pushing the "millions of illegal votes" bullshit, among other things)
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https://twitter.com/RobTornoe/status/887482308651089920

Inefficient use of good luck by America's least popular governor...!
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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/RobTornoe/status/887482308651089920

Inefficient use of good luck by America's least popular governor...!

Even gets the burn from the announcer. wow.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Gateway Pundit is actually fake news (they were one of the sites pushing the "millions of illegal votes" bullshit, among other things)

Shows me what happebs when you take stuff from the Politics board!
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Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) has either been taking marching orders from the Kremlin or is too gullible to be in Congress:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-lawmaker-got-direction-from-moscow-took-it-back-to-dc

(Guest starring our favorite Russian lawyer!)
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Remember a few topics ago I mentioned that shockingly a House Committee adopted an amendment to repeal the AUMF?

Update: Ryan has apparently removed it from the bill.

i'm shocked
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This is a stupid fucking plan:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/overseas-students-would-face-close-scrutiny-under-proposal-floated-at-dhs/2017/07/10/393b5cc0-6282-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html

Seems like yet another iteration of the classic Trump strategy of inventing an imaginary problem and then creating real ones in order to "fix" it.
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https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/887504546074939393

Footage shows officer placing drugs in trash; goes out to street, turns on camera, returns. Cams save 30 sec prior to activation, w/o sound https://t.co/5ZW128lWFM

I would love to respect our law enforcement, but they make it very difficult to do so.
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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/887504546074939393

Footage shows officer placing drugs in trash; goes out to street, turns on camera, returns. Cams save 30 sec prior to activation, w/o sound https://t.co/5ZW128lWFM

I would love to respect our law enforcement, but they make it very difficult to do so.

jesus fucking christ this is disgusting
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I think I mentioned it before (and I did it with this topic title/opening post), but it seems like making a big point about Trump/Congress being losers for failing to pass a policy that you think would be extremely bad is probably not the best strategy when Trump's primary concern is his ego

In fact, I'm pretty sure that the media thrashing Ryan/Trump after the first round of failure is what made them try again after saying they were giving up.
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KamikazePotato posted...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/gop-senator-jumps-subway-tracks-get-away-reporters-sinking-healthcare-bill/

Honestly, he looks like he's having the time of his life, there.

LordoftheMorons posted...

I think I mentioned it before (and I did it with this topic title/opening post), but it seems like making a big point about Trump/Congress being losers for failing to pass a policy that you think would be extremely bad is probably not the best strategy when Trump's primary concern is his ego

In fact, I'm pretty sure that the media thrashing Ryan/Trump after the first round of failure is what made them try again after saying they were giving up.

I suppose this is technically true, except for the fact that they're essentially physically incapable of passing ANY policy on the subject, so it's just continuing the downward spiral of Trump's ego being shat on endlessly.
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Interesting possible explanation for Trump's high Republican approval rating - Republicans dropping their GOP identification as they no longer approve of Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/upshot/why-trumps-base-of-support-may-be-smaller-than-it-seems.html
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Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/887504546074939393

Footage shows officer placing drugs in trash; goes out to street, turns on camera, returns. Cams save 30 sec prior to activation, w/o sound https://t.co/5ZW128lWFM

I would love to respect our law enforcement, but they make it very difficult to do so.

Saw this earlier and it's incredibly disappointing. What could also be disappointing is how this might lead to bodycams that don't record until they hit record BEFORE they punish this officer for planting evidence.
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Interesting possible explanation for Trump's high Republican approval rating - Republicans dropping their GOP identification as they no longer approve of Trump:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/upshot/why-trumps-base-of-support-may-be-smaller-than-it-seems.html

Interesting, but shouldn't the category of "Trump-voters" catch a lot of these people dropping their GOP-identification? I mean, unless they're also dropping their Trump-voter identification.....
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I seem to recall the same phoenomenon happening when Bush's popularity cratered.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

Peace___Frog posted...

https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/887504546074939393

Footage shows officer placing drugs in trash; goes out to street, turns on camera, returns. Cams save 30 sec prior to activation, w/o sound https://t.co/5ZW128lWFM

I would love to respect our law enforcement, but they make it very difficult to do so.

jesus fucking christ this is disgusting

It's okay, he was obviously afraid for his life so he has the right to do whatever
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I hope the GOP runs a better candidate next election because I am really starting to not like the term of this presidency. I 100% feel we would be worse off with clinton right now so its a net gain, but I would really like to see a good GOP candidate to possibly support next time around.

I definitely would have voted Democrat if Hillary wasn't the candidate I feel.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449622/rand-paul-health-care-republican-plans-repeal-replace-obamacare-principles-self-interest-ron-paul

The National Review shares some of this topic's skepticism about Rand Paul's ideology
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Corrik posted...

I hope the GOP runs a better candidate next election because I am really starting to not like the term of this presidency. I 100% feel we would be worse off with clinton right now so its a net gain, but I would really like to see a good GOP candidate to possibly support next time around.

I definitely would have voted Democrat if Hillary wasn't the candidate I feel.

Do you think anyone of note would run in the Republican primaries?
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