Poll of the Day > GOP source of fraud allegation vs. Bernie Sanders' wife admits info was hearsay

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Jen0125
07/06/17 8:41:33 PM
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http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/source-of-allegation-vs-bernie-sanders-wife-admits-info-was-hearsay

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Zeus
07/06/17 8:47:15 PM
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The way that the conversation was framed -- ie, he was repeating charges presented by somebody else -- intrinsically made it hearsay in a court of law, so this is hardly news. It does nothing to dismiss the merits of the ongoing investigation, especially considering that the bank was presented with fraudulent numbers regarding donor statistics.
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Jen0125
07/06/17 8:48:02 PM
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So merit less and not documented.
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Yellow
07/06/17 8:58:45 PM
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Bernie wouldn't go down for something so dumb.
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Zeus
07/06/17 8:59:57 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
So merit less and not documented.


Fabricating donor information is fraud. The fact that hearsay was involved is largely irrelevant considering that there was fire to that smoke. It's like a guy reporting that a friend found a dead body. Yes, that's hearsay but, if the body is there, that's all that matters.
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Zeus
07/06/17 9:03:05 PM
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Oh, this whole story isn't even about Bernie's Wife. It's about the allegations against Bernie himself.

Turner told WCAX-TV that friends at the bank described pressure from Sanders' office, but he says those friends didn't have direct knowledge of the negotiations. Turner says he told Toensing about it in May 2016, adding that he would not have brought it to the attention of federal investigators.

However, since he wasn't involved with the bank which had received the fraudulent donor information, that would have been hearsay as well.
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Erik_P
07/06/17 9:03:23 PM
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So in Zeus' warped reality Bernie is guilty without a doubt even when the allegation is total bullshit and yet Trump is totally innocent of obstruction of justice and collusion with Russia.

I'm starting to wonder if Zeus and ICOYAR are the same person because they have the exact same idiotic beliefs.
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Zeus
07/06/17 9:05:43 PM
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At any rate, it's important to remember that Jane Sanders lied to a bank about her college's donors to fraudulently obtain a loan which bankrupted her college yet she got a $200k golden parachute. Which is WORSE than the bullshit Sanders was complaining about on the campaign trail. If Bernie Sanders wanted to whine about golden parachutes, he should have started with his reckless idiot wife who defrauded a bank and bankrupted a college yet got out with a tidy parachute. Of course, since he enjoyed the fruits of those ill-gotten gains, he wouldn't complain.

Again, that's assuming he wasn't directly complicit in the fraud by pressuring the bank to make the loan.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/06/17 9:09:23 PM
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Zeus is cray cray.
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Mead
07/06/17 9:38:36 PM
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Zeus is cray cray.


#LeftLeaningCentrist
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Zeus
07/07/17 11:36:54 PM
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Mead posted...
#LeftLeaningCentrist


Which is why I don't support a #FarLeftLoon who had no business running as a Democrat and only did so for political opportunism and, by the way, is a complete fraud because he's married to a woman who does the very things he loudly protests except it's even worse because they're running colleges instead of just business.
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ParanoidObsessive
07/07/17 11:38:30 PM
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Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman




EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


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Zeus
07/08/17 1:09:22 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


Which is why I edited it immediately because I realized somebody would quibble over it >_> However, there's a difference in this case since Bernie hadn't affiliated himself with the party until right before the election, his beliefs are out of touch with the mainstream party, etc.

Plus, contextually speaking, there's a world of difference between something you're born into and a party you opt into. It's like saying that you're a Christian but don't believe in Jesus Christ, don't believe anything in the Bible, and actively advance positions that run contrary to established Christian beliefs. At a certain point, you have to recognize that a person is something in name only and Bernie is certainly a DINO -- and not just because he's a walking fossil.
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RCtheWSBC
07/08/17 1:10:47 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman




EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


Omg this was my dream come true

PO calling out his fraud wannabe
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helly
07/08/17 1:15:45 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman




EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


lmao
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/08/17 9:16:36 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman




EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


Lmao.
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Zeus
07/09/17 3:10:02 PM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


Omg this was my dream come true

PO calling out his fraud wannabe


Not really a callout and nowhere near as satisfying as would be if Jen called out her blackhearted scoundrel twin >_>
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/11/17 11:29:07 PM
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Zeus posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
neither does any true Democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

EDIT: You can't edit your sins away, Zeus. I saaaaaaaaaaw it.


Omg this was my dream come true

PO calling out his fraud wannabe


Not really a callout and nowhere near as satisfying as would be if Jen called out her blackhearted scoundrel twin >_>

Racist.
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Jen0125
07/11/17 11:31:22 PM
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Yeah wtf does he have against rc and her being black
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/11/17 11:33:50 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Yeah wtf does he have against rc and her being black

Guys a total bigot.
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Zeus
07/11/17 11:36:41 PM
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackhearted
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/11/17 11:38:05 PM
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Zeus posted...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blackhearted

Don't play like we didn't catch the sloppy play on words.
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Doctor Foxx
07/11/17 11:39:29 PM
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Out of the two of them I'd call Jen blackhearted way before RC
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Zeus
07/11/17 11:54:54 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Out of the two of them I'd call Jen blackhearted way before RC


Jen has a boyfriend and a dog, though. I'm pretty sure there's no love in RC's heart. Plus I'm pretty sure I heard a rumor that RC is so evil that pure water can melt her.
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RCtheWSBC
07/11/17 11:58:13 PM
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Fucking cringe, lol
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Doctor Foxx
07/12/17 12:00:39 AM
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Uh huhhhh
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Jen0125
07/12/17 1:24:37 AM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
Fucking cringe, lol


Lmao wtf is he even talking about. I'm your boyfriend. What an idiot.
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Jen0125
07/12/17 1:27:12 AM
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I literally bought rc a crock pot on Amazon today on loan with no interest @Doctor_Foxx call me blackhearted cripes can't win in today's society
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Zeus
07/12/17 1:37:29 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
Fucking cringe, lol


Lmao wtf is he even talking about. I'm your boyfriend.


Once again showing that Jen is the good half
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Melon_Master
07/12/17 1:49:13 AM
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Zeus posted...
Jen0125 posted...
RCtheWSBC posted...
Fucking cringe, lol


Lmao wtf is he even talking about. I'm your boyfriend.


Once again showing that Jen is the good half

All because Jen, is the man in the relationship? :O The fairer sex, just can't win with modern republicans.. I am so sorry, RC. ;(
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Doctor Foxx
07/12/17 2:17:53 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
I literally bought rc a crock pot on Amazon today on loan with no interest @Doctor_Foxx call me blackhearted cripes can't win in today's society

Here's the thing

I wouldn't call either of you that

But that was nice of you good bf skills
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Jen0125
07/12/17 2:22:36 AM
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Call me Tom Nook
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RCtheWSBC
07/12/17 6:26:26 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Call me Tom Nook

Guess I'll be paying you back whenever I goddamn please!
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Tropic_Sunset
07/12/17 6:57:31 AM
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PO calling out Zeus? This topic is awesome.

Erik_P posted...
So in Zeus' warped reality Bernie is guilty without a doubt even when the allegation is total bullshit and yet Trump is totally innocent of obstruction of justice and collusion with Russia.


To be fair, I don't think he's saying that at all, at least for the first few posts. It looks like he was saying that if an investigation turned something up that came about due to hearsay, you shouldn't dismiss it because it came about due to hearsay, but otherwise you really have nothing solid to go on and it absolutely should be dismissed. In later posts he kind of lost the plot though.

That being said, I know nothing about this "scandal" but if there is evidence of wrongdoing then it does a lot more than the Russia accusations do to Trump. Unless there's some evidence there too in recent days that I'm unaware of. Not that this makes Trump a good president, mind you.
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Jen0125
07/12/17 10:40:39 AM
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RCtheWSBC posted...
Jen0125 posted...
Call me Tom Nook

Guess I'll be paying you back whenever I goddamn please!


It's K :)
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RCtheWSBC
07/12/17 11:09:05 AM
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<33
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Jen0125
07/12/17 11:10:56 AM
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Call me KK Slider the way I slide into the DMs ;)
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RCtheWSBC
07/12/17 11:16:59 AM
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lmao girl, you're really speaking my language now
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Jen0125
07/12/17 11:17:51 AM
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Call me Tortimer the way I light those fireworks in your heart <3
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RCtheWSBC
07/12/17 11:19:40 AM
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Hahahahaha these are great

Okay if you do get Animal Crossing I'll actually start playing again
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Jen0125
07/12/17 11:23:56 AM
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Yayyy me and you and your mom can play 2gether
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Melon_Master
07/12/17 6:21:57 PM
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I think I have the old Animal Crossing topic list of FC's here and stuff if you want it. :P I think it was two posts long and it was seventeen 500 topics. xD
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Zeus
07/12/17 8:41:27 PM
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Tropic_Sunset posted...
PO calling out Zeus? This topic is awesome.


Not really a call-out, but whatever.

Tropic_Sunset posted...
Erik_P posted...
So in Zeus' warped reality Bernie is guilty without a doubt even when the allegation is total bullshit and yet Trump is totally innocent of obstruction of justice and collusion with Russia.


To be fair, I don't think he's saying that at all, at least for the first few posts. It looks like he was saying that if an investigation turned something up that came about due to hearsay, you shouldn't dismiss it because it came about due to hearsay, but otherwise you really have nothing solid to go on and it absolutely should be dismissed. In later posts he kind of lost the plot though.


Also keep in mind that the fraud charges weren't hearsay (making the title completely misleading), the claim that Bernie used influence was. Not to mention that a regular politician doing something politicians routinely do is more plausible than Erik's claim that Trump is a Russian sleeper agent.

It's an indisputable fact that Jane Sanders falsely reported donor contribution levels. The issue is whether she knowingly did it and, given the discrepancy, that seems likely. For Bernie's part, the allegation (ie, the hearsay) is that his office put pressure on people at the bank to push the loan through. The two issues aren't necessarily joined at the hip, either. Even if Jane gave fake numbers out of idiocy rather than theft, it's possible that Bernie's office illegally pressured the bank.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
07/14/17 2:06:24 AM
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What's Zeus do? Sides postin here an LARPing he's the real Zeus. Doubt it's a good job. Cause ya know he's brag.
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