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darkphoenix181
06/28/17 1:07:10 PM
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Once injected, you become immortal and immune to all disease. If you had cancer, it goes away and all the damage to your body is repaired. If you are paraplegic, you can move like an Olympian. If you lost an arm, it grows back.

Would it be unethical to charge tons of money to sell this serum?

Would having this serum be a human right?
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Dustin1280
06/28/17 1:08:03 PM
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How hard is the serum to produce?

How long does it take to produce?

Does it actually make your immortal? That isn't exactly a good thing.
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Cemith
06/28/17 1:09:21 PM
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Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.
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faizan_faizan
06/28/17 1:09:50 PM
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Assuming this becomes affordable, what about overpopulation?
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SideshowBob311
06/28/17 1:10:38 PM
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Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.
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darkphoenix181
06/28/17 1:11:11 PM
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SideshowBob311 posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.


how would it end the world?
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Azarias
06/28/17 1:12:13 PM
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Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?


If that can happen then you wouldn't be immortal.

Also, as another poster mentioned overpopulation would be a huge concern.
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iPhone_7
06/28/17 1:13:15 PM
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Does it also get rid of a person's homosexuality? le bait
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darkphoenix181
06/28/17 1:13:36 PM
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Azarias posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?


If that can happen then you wouldn't be immortal.

Also, as another poster mentioned overpopulation would be a huge concern.


overpopulation is no concern when you cant die

you can just float in space till you land on a far away planet

and I never said it made your kids immortal

dun dun dun
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Chicken
06/28/17 1:14:21 PM
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No one should live forever.
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SideshowBob311
06/28/17 1:16:29 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.


how would it end the world?


Catastrophic population growth, depletion of natural resources, overcrowding, massive pollution/climate change. It's not like people are suddenly going to stop having children just because they can no longer die.

It's by no means scientific, but this is a really entertaining short novel about the exact situation you're talking about.
https://www.amazon.com/Postmortal-Drew-Magary/dp/0143119826
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darkphoenix181
06/28/17 1:19:22 PM
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SideshowBob311 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.


how would it end the world?


Catastrophic population growth, depletion of natural resources, overcrowding, massive pollution/climate change. It's not like people are suddenly going to stop having children just because they can no longer die.

It's by no means scientific, but this is a really entertaining short novel about the exact situation you're talking about.
https://www.amazon.com/Postmortal-Drew-Magary/dp/0143119826


you do understand that they can't die right?



like, what you need natural resources for?
what the pollution and climate going to do to an immortal?
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SideshowBob311
06/28/17 1:22:19 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...


you do understand that they can't die right?



like, what you need natural resources for?
what the pollution and climate going to do to an immortal?


Even if you don't have to worry about dying, that doesn't mean you want to live in misery.
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faizan_faizan
06/28/17 1:24:04 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Azarias posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?


If that can happen then you wouldn't be immortal.

Also, as another poster mentioned overpopulation would be a huge concern.


overpopulation is no concern when you cant die

you can just float in space till you land on a far away planet

and I never said it made your kids immortal

dun dun dun

Invincibility =/= immortality
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Chicken
06/28/17 1:26:20 PM
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faizan_faizan posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Azarias posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?


If that can happen then you wouldn't be immortal.

Also, as another poster mentioned overpopulation would be a huge concern.


overpopulation is no concern when you cant die

you can just float in space till you land on a far away planet

and I never said it made your kids immortal

dun dun dun

Invincibility =/= immortality

Yeah go watch Highlander nerd.
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lightwarrior78
06/28/17 1:30:31 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.


how would it end the world?


Catastrophic population growth, depletion of natural resources, overcrowding, massive pollution/climate change. It's not like people are suddenly going to stop having children just because they can no longer die.

It's by no means scientific, but this is a really entertaining short novel about the exact situation you're talking about.
https://www.amazon.com/Postmortal-Drew-Magary/dp/0143119826


you do understand that they can't die right?



like, what you need natural resources for?
what the pollution and climate going to do to an immortal?


We still need space, and without people becoming worm food, our already dwindling livable areas would fill up faster. Yay, I live forever, but I can't get where I'm going for all the people or have to live in Antarctica to get some breathing room.

And natural resources doesn't just mean food. Paper, metals, lumber, oil for plastics, all stuff made from limited materials that would now have to meet an infinity growing demand. That of course implies what we'd give up food because we don't need it. In reality, most of us like to eat for enjoyment.

Pollution may not kill you, but it still fucks with comfort levels.
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SideshowBob311
06/28/17 1:38:39 PM
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lightwarrior78 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
SideshowBob311 posted...
Cemith posted...
Define immortal, a lack of natural causes? Can you still be killed via damage or injury?

I don't think anyone should be immortal, the rich would be always have access to it.


That serum would be the literal end of the world. Hopefully whomever invented it would be quickly and quietly killed before he/she could publicize it.


how would it end the world?


Catastrophic population growth, depletion of natural resources, overcrowding, massive pollution/climate change. It's not like people are suddenly going to stop having children just because they can no longer die.

It's by no means scientific, but this is a really entertaining short novel about the exact situation you're talking about.
https://www.amazon.com/Postmortal-Drew-Magary/dp/0143119826


you do understand that they can't die right?



like, what you need natural resources for?
what the pollution and climate going to do to an immortal?


We still need space, and without people becoming worm food, our already dwindling livable areas would fill up faster. Yay, I live forever, but I can't get where I'm going for all the people or have to live in Antarctica to get some breathing room.

And natural resources doesn't just mean food. Paper, metals, lumber, oil for plastics, all stuff made from limited materials that would now have to meet an infinity growing demand. That of course implies what we'd give up food because we don't need it. In reality, most of us like to eat for enjoyment.

Pollution may not kill you, but it still fucks with comfort levels.


This guy gets it. The entire planet would look like Brazil's "City of God" favela. Hooray, just how I want to live for eternity!
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Azarias
06/28/17 8:33:49 PM
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faizan_faizan posted...
Invincibility =/= immortality


If you can die you're not immortal.
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Blue_Dream87
06/28/17 8:41:48 PM
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Aristoph
06/28/17 8:47:07 PM
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Most of you guys aren't taking into account how immortality would immediately change our priorities as a species.

Health care is no longer a concern? No more wasting any money on health care. That money could be funneled elsewhere. Nobody can die? Military is now useless. That money and all those resources could be funneled elsewhere.

No worries about lifespan or safety? Expect a huge surge in the desire for extra-solar exploration and colonization. Probably funded by the aforementioned now-useless military budget.

Overpopulation would be a concern, sure, but it's not an instant death-sentence for humanity like most of you are assuming. And there likely would be a drop in birth rates due to people thinking "I've got millenia to live, so there's no rush."
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HylianFox
06/28/17 8:48:04 PM
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it would be so absurdly expensive only the top GOP douchebags could afford it
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KogaSteelfang
06/28/17 9:13:02 PM
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Actually, in this case, it seems acceptable to overcharge for it. Assuming it'd be billed like any other medical treatment, you'd literally have infinite time to pay it off afterwards. I don't see a problem with that.
If you're charged full price before its administered though, yeah, that's unethical Imo, and bad business since you'd make more money from billing them after rather than selling to the few who can afford it now.
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dave_is_slick
06/28/17 9:22:20 PM
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Azarias posted...
faizan_faizan posted...
Invincibility =/= immortality


If you can die you're not immortal.

No, not really.
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GiftedACIII
06/28/17 9:35:46 PM
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Azarias posted...
faizan_faizan posted...
Invincibility =/= immortality


If you can die you're not immortal.

Immortal generally means ageless. There are things in real life that are considered "immortal" because they don't die by age even if they can be split apart/destroyed. Being completely unable to die is "true immortal" and there's really nothing that is true immortal. Even the universe itself will die.
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Zack_Attackv1
06/28/17 10:02:16 PM
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Something of this caliber would definitely require grounds for regulation.
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CircleOfManias
06/28/17 10:26:06 PM
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Immortality should come with mandatory sterility.
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StarReaper13
06/28/17 11:08:24 PM
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Azarias posted...
faizan_faizan posted...
Invincibility =/= immortality


If you can die you're not immortal.

You don't have to die to feel pain.

If you were to outlive the planet, if the Sun were to consume it, you'd feel that pain.

You'd endlessly suffocate in space if you don't drift onto a planet with oxygen.

Even if you didn't need oxygen, you'd drift in the cold vacuum of space, alone unless you find a planet that has life.

You might mentally deteriorate by then too, especially having outlived everyone you've ever met, everyone you've cared about.
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darkphoenix181
06/29/17 11:05:06 AM
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KogaSteelfang posted...
Actually, in this case, it seems acceptable to overcharge for it. Assuming it'd be billed like any other medical treatment, you'd literally have infinite time to pay it off afterwards. I don't see a problem with that.


That is a very good point.

I never thought of it that way.
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darkphoenix181
06/29/17 11:19:03 AM
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fenderbender321 posted...
So eventually when the sun explodes you'll just be floating through space forever? That doesn't sound like very much fun.


space would freeze dry you so wouldn't be conscious until you get thawed out
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Rhylos
06/29/17 11:22:29 AM
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How available is the serum? If the human population suddenly stopped dieing, the population growth would go up exponentially and we'd have more people than land to grow food. Everyone would be going crazy from starvation.
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