Current Events > Why are 'anti-gov' conservatives not opposed to the military and police

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They did in the 90s
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Better question: Why do you assume anyone who is against excessive government interloping is an anarchist?
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they're also (typically) in favor of the drug war, which is literally the federal government telling you what you can and can't do with your own body.
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

they're also (typically) in favor of the drug war, which is literally the federal government telling you what you can and can't do with your own body.

The war on drugs, like the military industrial complex, is an entirely bipartisan effort. Don't act dumb.
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they are actually

just only when it is speeding tickets and stuff like this

when it is shooting black guys for being suspicious the love cops
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

they're also (typically) in favor of the drug war, which is literally the federal government telling you what you can and can't do with your own body.

The war on drugs, like the military industrial complex, is an entirely bipartisan effort. Don't act dumb.

i never said it wasn't? like, how in the world did you get that from my comment?

Me: "It's hypocritical for Conservatives to support the drug war"
Mal_Fet : "LIBERALS!"
Me: "yeah I never said anything about Liberals"
Mal_Fet: "LIBERALS!"

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

don't act dumb and don't create straw men to attack
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Giant_Aspirin posted...

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

Yes. Yet the drug war is completely in line with the Democrats' words and their actions. Anything else to add to this tangent?
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plenty of conservatives are in favor of legalizing drugs, or at least decriminalizing them.
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basically those sovereign citizens or w\e

if the border patrol stops them they will say they have no right to ask them any questions or search their car

they will annoy the officer and repeatedly say "am I being detained? am I free to go?"

but want increased border security and illegals deported
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because they're upper middle class and recognize that the military/police will protect them from any uprising by the lower class
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

Yes. Yet the drug war is completely in line with the Democrats' words and their actions. Anything else to add to this tangent?

but the liberals!
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

Yes. Yet the drug war is completely in line with the Democrats' words and their actions. Anything else to add to this tangent?

To get back on topic: Conservatives favor small government when it suits their needs and favor government intervention when it suits their needs. There is practically no consistency in their "small government" belief, other than maximizing personal benefit while minimizing personal contribution and responsibility.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

Yes. Yet the drug war is completely in line with the Democrats' words and their actions. Anything else to add to this tangent?

But he never said it wasn't tho. This is a bizarre response.
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Iodine posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Giant_Aspirin posted...

my point was that for the party of "small federal government, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, anti-nanny-state, etc" it's incredibly hypocritical to support the drug war.

Yes. Yet the drug war is completely in line with the Democrats' words and their actions. Anything else to add to this tangent?

But he never said it wasn't tho. This is a bizarre response.

Straw manning is Mal_Fet's favorite pastime
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protecting the country from outside threats is one of the few valid functions of government.
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It's best to just ignore Mal.
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Because the government does have a role to play in society, and one its jobs is recognizing and defending your liberties.

No one else has the right cause harm to you such as killing you, stealing your property, etc. And I am against the war on drugs and think they should all be legalized.
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I dunno, probably for the same reason pro-gov Liberals are against police and the military.
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I've never found a satisfying explanation for this
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Small government, not no government.
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DevsBro posted...

Small government, not no government.

this would imply that they would still be very vociferous in opposing, say, public labor unions in that sector the way they attempt to fight public labor unions in other sectors of the economy that are generally considered to be a legitimate part of government (public education, say)

but in practice I don't think I've ever seen any one take on a police union, but especially not a conservative or Republican
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Why would it imply that?

Small government doesn't necessarily mean every government department or program is scaled proportionally.
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Government is bad unless it is suppressing people I disagree with and starting wars.
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DevsBro posted...

Why would it imply that?

Small government doesn't necessarily mean every government department or program is scaled proportionally.

Then it is bullshit. How can some go on about the problems of too much government involvement but be totally alright with our bloated military? If everything else is better with less government meddling, then why not security as well?

I Don't see how that is any less hypocritical than the liberals that talk out of both sides of their mouth.
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DevsBro posted...

Why would it imply that?

Small government doesn't necessarily mean every government department or program is scaled proportionally.

Because the reason to oppose labor unions in the public sector is that they use their clout to unjustly increase the size of their budgets and "turf" beyond what is reasonable and necessary for the government to function efficiently.

What does that have to do with proportions? I didn't say you couldn't think the police should get 10000x more money than the people who make sure you pay your taxes so they can get said money. That's not the issue i have.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Because the government does have a role to play in society, and one its jobs is recognizing and defending your liberties.

No one else has the right cause harm to you such as killing you, stealing your property, etc. And I am against the war on drugs and think they should all be legalized.

This.

Also, the "anti-government" stuff is about isn't about abolishing the government, it's about keeping it small. It's about keeping regulations pretty much to a bare minimum and avoiding needless, nitpicking laws that don't really benefit anybody.

hockeybub89 posted...

DevsBro posted...

Why would it imply that?

Small government doesn't necessarily mean every government department or program is scaled proportionally.

Then it is bullshit. How can some go on about the problems of too much government involvement but be totally alright with our bloated military? If everything else is better with less government meddling, then why not security as well?

I Don't see how that is any less hypocritical than the liberals that talk out of both sides of their mouth.

Also for conservatives who love the 2nd amendment which talks about the people forming a miltia to defend themselves, conservatives have 0 problems with the federal government controlling the defense instead of the people.
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bump

c'mon people I know I'm not the only one who's annoyed by these pseudo-anarchists
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