Poll of the Day > I think we can all agree that Starship Troopers was a great movie

(+) Yeah! (+)

I'm doing my part
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Would you like to know more?
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Service guarantees citizenship
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VeeVees posted...

Service guarantees citizenship

Was that even in the movie?I remember it from the novel,but not the movie.

Also


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Gosh I really want to re-watch this as an adult and forget all about any sequels
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Just don't watch the second, it is abominable and has almost nothing in common with the first besides the name.

The third is, well, better than the second. Casper also reprises his role, so that's something.

Who needs a knife in a nuke fight anyway?
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Actually it's funny you should say that because at the time there was controversy about the movie not following Heinliens book at all, not even slightly, other then having buggers be the main enemy.

I liked the movie (the first one at least), and if I remember right NPH was in it (unless that was a sequel) as a psi...which was kinda cool. Certainly had nothing to do with the book though, but cool.
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Would have been better if it had followed the tone of the book more closely instead of being Robocop in Space.

It was a pretty great movie, but a lot of it was the camp.

DarkwingDidi posted...

Was that even in the movie?I remember it from the novel,but not the movie.

Given that I never read the novel but recall the quote, I assume yes. I know that they talked about service being a req for citizenship a lot in the film.

wolfy42 posted...

Actually it's funny you should say that because at the time there was controversy about the movie not following Heinliens book at all, not even slightly, other then having buggers be the main enemy.

Didn't even realize it was a Heinlein. Now I kinda want to read it. Granted, I have some other Heinlein stuff to read first. Somehow misplaced my copy of Blowups Happen years ago but, because I figured I'd find it, never bothered buying a new copy.
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Do you want to live forever!?
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Do you want to live forever!?

https://youtu.be/OLmPacvpQHw?t=68
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The director said it was satire; but, not knowing that when I saw it, I thought it was just bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)#Themes

OmegaM posted...

The director said it was satire; but, not knowing that when I saw it, I thought it was just bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)#Themes

it's super duper satire of propaganda

I can see how it would come off as cheesy and bad if you didn't catch it while viewing
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Doctor Foxx posted...

I can see how it would come off as cheesy and bad if you didn't catch it while viewing

Could be people seeing it as children, not getting it and working on their memory of it being a really cheesy action movie.

I haven't seen it as an adult and I mostly remember how yonic the bugs were

I think if it were released in 2017 rather than 1997 it would have been received much better
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Duck-I-Says posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

I can see how it would come off as cheesy and bad if you didn't catch it while viewing

Could be people seeing it as children, not getting it and working on their memory of it being a really cheesy action movie.

It's not just that, they also cast goofier actors.
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Zeus posted...

It was a pretty great movie, but a lot of it was the camp.

DarkwingDidi posted...

Was that even in the movie?I remember it from the novel,but not the movie.

Given that I never read the novel but recall the quote, I assume yes. I know that they talked about service being a req for citizenship a lot in the film.

wolfy42 posted...

Actually it's funny you should say that because at the time there was controversy about the movie not following Heinliens book at all, not even slightly, other then having buggers be the main enemy.

Didn't even realize it was a Heinlein. Now I kinda want to read it. Granted, I have some other Heinlein stuff to read first. Somehow misplaced my copy of Blowups Happen years ago but, because I figured I'd find it, never bothered buying a new copy.

He along with Asimov where some of the few big sci fi writers when I was a kid (wasn't exactly a ton of choices yet), and I have not read Starship Troopers since I was like 5 or something. That being said it was a very solo/solitary kind of book about a marine on a planet fighting the buggers all by himself. It's been so long that is pretty much all I remember, but when the movie came out, I still remembered everything I had read and was blown away by how little it followed the book.

The book was......different.......then most of Heinliens other books....very lonely and almost sad I guess. Nothing like his semi-comedy books (when he kinda went off the deep end I guess after Stranger in a strange land and started visiting OZ etc).

The movie....was kinda a comedy I guess, and not horrid, but the gut reaction from most people that knew of/read the book, was utter horror that this is what the movie adaptation became. Watching it again years later though, I enjoyed it far more.

The sequels though where blah (no sequel to the book...although I think Chirstopher Stasheff eventually made a new series based on it). I saw them I think once, and that was plenty.
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wolfy42 posted...

That being said it was a very solo/solitary kind of book about a marine on a planet fighting the buggers all by himself.

There are parts when he's cut off, but for the most part he's with his squad through the entire book and there's a lot more boot camp/sitting around the Rodger Young/sitting in class in the book than there is actual fighting as well. You need to reread the book because it's fantastic and very much not how you remember it. Also there's zero chance you got any of it at 5.

This topic made me make this topic.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/75457643

Also, Starship Troopers is my favorite movie of all time I think!
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Doctor Foxx posted...

I haven't seen it as an adult and I mostly remember how yonic the bugs were

I think if it were released in 2017 rather than 1997 it would have been received much better

Good news is that I'm almost positive they've scheduled a remake.

Cacciato posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

I haven't seen it as an adult and I mostly remember how yonic the bugs were

I think if it were released in 2017 rather than 1997 it would have been received much better

Good news is that I'm almost positive they've scheduled a remake.

if it's not Verhoeven directing then I don't really care
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Doctor Foxx posted...

if it's not Verhoeven directing then I don't really care

I'd like to see a more subtle satire than Verhoeven seems capable of, but instead we'll probably get a straight-laced action movie which would be worse.

I hope they keep the satire instead of going for the sincere military worship in the book.
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Duck-I-Says posted...

but instead we'll probably get a straight-laced action movie which would be worse.

Honestly, I wouldn't even mind if it was more of an action movie. But I don't mind action movies in general.

Also, some of the actors making cameos as side characters or drill sergeants would be great! I mean, I think it'd be awesome if Dina Meyer was the main drill sergeant!
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St_Kevin posted...

I'm doing my part

The sequels certainly weren't.
I put my hand on their covers and suddenly I was afraid.

St_Kevin posted...

I think we can all agree that Starship Troopers was a great movie

I can't agree, because I thought it was mediocre crap then, and then liked it less when I later learned just how much it crapped on the source material.



wolfy42 posted...

Actually it's funny you should say that because at the time there was controversy about the movie not following Heinliens book at all, not even slightly, other then having buggers be the main enemy.

It's not so much that, as much as it takes a massive steaming shit on the entire premise of his book. Pretty much by definition, if you liked his book in the way he intended it, the movie is loathesome.

It's not entirely dissimilar to how the plot of "I, Robot" runs counter to Asimov's entire philosophy and the theme of nearly every story he ever wrote (even aside from the fact that the movie had absolutely nothing to do with I, Robot the book other than the name and the names of a few of the character stapled onto completely unrelated and unrecognizable characters). Or how I Am Legend alters the entire point of the story and renders its own title meaningless (Will Smith is clearly the go-to actor to star in movies that either don't understand or don't care about the entire premise of the book they're adapting).

In the case of Starship Troopers, I get the impression that the sole reason Paul Verhoeven made the movie in the first place was because he hated the book, and was deliberately shitting on it via satire.


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Duck-I-Says posted...

I'd like to see a more subtle satire than Verhoeven seems capable of, but instead we'll probably get a straight-laced action movie which would be worse.

VeeVees posted...

I hope they keep the satire instead of going for the sincere military worship in the book.

Considering that most talk about making a new version of the movie hinges on making a "more faithful" adaptation of the book, it would almost certainly lean more towards sincere military worship, because that was the entire POINT of the original story.

As for whether or not it would be a straightforward action movie/military shooter sort of film, the names attached to it at the moment kind of guarantee it probably would be.


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Ugh...the original is pretty bad.
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it was pretty bad and the book was just okay
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcfpzfPdx-U
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The 80s anime was pretty good.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

I can't agree, because I thought it was mediocre crap then, and then liked it less when I later learned just how much it crapped on the source material.

Next you'll be saying you didn't like Street Fighter...
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To be fair, the first script had nothing to do with Starship Troopers.
It had giant bugs so they thought "heeey, Starship Troopers got giant bugs, lets buy the rights to make amovie on that and tweak the script after that!".
The director only read the first two chapters of the novel, he couldnt continue because he thought that he book was boooring.
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Zeus posted...

Next you'll be saying you didn't like Street Fighter...

It's easier to like something that craps on the source material when the source material it's based on barely exists. Like watching the Pac-Man cartoon as a kid.

That being said, the best Street Fighter adaptation was obviously this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUIPjIu2pM


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I saw that movie just two days ago and have to agree with PO.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus posted...

Next you'll be saying you didn't like Street Fighter...

It's easier to like something that craps on the source material when the source material it's based on barely exists. Like watching the Pac-Man cartoon as a kid.

That being said, the best Street Fighter adaptation was obviously this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUIPjIu2pM

Not sure that Starship Troopers necessarily craps on the material >_> Also, if you're talking about the source material barely existing as a known quantity, that arguably is Starship Troopers since the average person wouldn't have much familiarity with the original. (Although, if you're talking about it barely existing in the sense that there's not much content to it, that describes Street Fighter.)
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