Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 103: Going Through Testimony with a Fine-Tooth Comey

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Jakyl25
06/08/17 2:28:07 PM
#51:


I just can't fathom knowing all of those things and then concluding that you don't think any investigation will uncover something more about Flynn's relationship with them during the campaign.
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Emeraldegg
06/08/17 2:29:57 PM
#52:


Jakyl25 posted...
I just can't fathom knowing all of those things and then concluding that you don't think any investigation will uncover something more about Flynn's relationship with them during the campaign.

He's doing what we call "wishful thinking"
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Peace___Frog
06/08/17 2:30:15 PM
#53:


https://twitter.com/CharlesPPierce/status/872579891493044226

My rule for gracious living: do not bring up hookers in a conversation with the FBI director unless he asks first.

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Jakyl25
06/08/17 2:30:51 PM
#54:


And I would say the exact same thing to anyone who refused to put 2+2 together about Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch and the ongoing Hillary Clinton investigation.
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Regaro
06/08/17 2:31:57 PM
#55:


Bill Clinton is, at best, a fucking moron for that meeting with Lynch
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/17 2:39:25 PM
#56:


Jakyl25 posted...
I just can't fathom knowing all of those things and then concluding that you don't think any investigation will uncover something more about Flynn's relationship with them during the campaign.

I never said I was against an investigation. But everyone is acting like it is a forgone conclusion that there was collusion, when there has not been one iota of evidence presented to support that.
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TheRock1525
06/08/17 2:47:09 PM
#57:


Jakyl25 posted...
And I would say the exact same thing to anyone who refused to put 2+2 together about Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch and the ongoing Hillary Clinton investigation.


Especially the "matter" vs. "investigation" language.
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 2:50:39 PM
#58:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I just can't fathom knowing all of those things and then concluding that you don't think any investigation will uncover something more about Flynn's relationship with them during the campaign.

I never said I was against an investigation. But everyone is acting like it is a forgone conclusion that there was collusion, when there has not been one iota of evidence presented to support that.


Well take the Clinton/Lynch thing. I take that as "evidence" that Bill Clinton obstructed justice. I can't tie it to Hillary herself, but to me that's enough to call it evidence. Not proof. Evidence.

Same with Flynn and Russia election interference
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ChaosTonyV4
06/08/17 3:02:35 PM
#59:


charmander6000 posted...
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This isn't really a reply to anyone in specific, but I just wanna point out that if you accept the existence of trans people, you can't really make too big a deal about genitalia. Generally people are attracted to gender, not parts.


I disagree, humans are very much attracted to parts over gender. A straight male would be more attracted to a trans female over a trans male, assuming they have completed sexual realignment surgery.


I think you're working against your own point here? Of course a straight male could be attracted to a trans female, because she's female.
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transcience
06/08/17 3:02:57 PM
#60:


https://mobile.twitter.com/Dbacks/status/872889256850501632

this can't be real life
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/17 3:03:08 PM
#61:


Jakyl25 posted...
I take that as "evidence" that Bill Clinton obstructed justice.

Well you're wrong
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LordoftheMorons
06/08/17 3:09:50 PM
#62:


I don't think the Clinton Lynch meeting was likely to be obstruction because it would be a really stupid way to go about it for someone as smart as Bill

I actually do think that there's an order 50% chance that Trump didn't directly conclude with the Russians himself (since his behavior is also consistent with his overwhelming narcissism and stupidity), but either explanation is really bad.

The Comey firing seems to be a pretty open and shut case of trying to derail the investigation. I'm not a lawyer so I can't speak as to whether it meets the legal definition of obstruction, but at minimum it meets the spirit.
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 3:10:06 PM
#63:


transcience posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dbacks/status/872889256850501632

this can't be real life

... so, wait, is he accepting that he fucked up, or accusing everyone else of being stupid, I'm not even sure here.
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 3:10:56 PM
#64:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I take that as "evidence" that Bill Clinton obstructed justice.

Well you're wrong


No, you're misusing the word "evidence." I feel like conservatives are using the word "evidence" to mean "proof." Evidence is not proof. A body of evidence constitutes proof.

It does not need to be a recording of Flynn saying "thank you for the election interference Comrade Kislyak" for it to be evidence.
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LordoftheMorons
06/08/17 3:12:08 PM
#65:


SupremeZero posted...
transcience posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dbacks/status/872889256850501632

this can't be real life

... so, wait, is he accepting that he fucked up, or accusing everyone else of being stupid, I'm not even sure here.

I think he's claiming that he did have a coherent line of questioning but is also conceding that he may not have phrased it well?

Not that I have any idea what that coherent line of questioning would be.
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Emeraldegg
06/08/17 3:12:14 PM
#66:


SupremeZero posted...
transcience posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Dbacks/status/872889256850501632

this can't be real life

... so, wait, is he accepting that he fucked up, or accusing everyone else of being stupid, I'm not even sure here.

The first comment gif on that tweet is amazing
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 3:14:04 PM
#67:


LordoftheMorons posted...
I don't think the Clinton Lynch meeting was likely to be obstruction because it would be a really stupid way to go about it for someone as smart as Bill


Same thing here. Evidence of obstruction does not equal proof of obstruction.

Maybe this example will help:

OJ's blood drops in his Bronco are not proof he committed the double murder, but it is EVIDENCE that he did.
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charmander6000
06/08/17 3:18:01 PM
#68:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
charmander6000 posted...
Kenri posted...
This isn't really a reply to anyone in specific, but I just wanna point out that if you accept the existence of trans people, you can't really make too big a deal about genitalia. Generally people are attracted to gender, not parts.


I disagree, humans are very much attracted to parts over gender. A straight male would be more attracted to a trans female over a trans male, assuming they have completed sexual realignment surgery.


I think you're working against your own point here? Of course a straight male could be attracted to a trans female, because she's female.


The second part to that sentence is important. They're attracted because she looks female, not because she claims to be one.
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 3:25:45 PM
#69:


https://twitter.com/michcoll/status/872856700654682113

Rubio: Still good for something.
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LordoftheMorons
06/08/17 3:28:01 PM
#70:


He needs to hold up his head because of his missing spine
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 3:37:50 PM
#71:


By the way, I welcome any challenge to my list of Flynn indiscretions, as well as any additions. I want to make sure I've got all that correct.
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Kenri
06/08/17 3:41:08 PM
#72:


charmander6000 posted...
They're attracted because she looks female, not because she claims to be one.

what does "looking female" have to do with being attracted to genitalia? it seems like you're saying the exact same thing I am, but trying to claim that it's about genitals somehow
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SgtSphynx
06/08/17 3:44:55 PM
#73:


About "obstruction of justice" from a lawyer

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/872532952055513088
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scarletspeed7
06/08/17 3:49:23 PM
#74:


SgtSphynx posted...
About "obstruction of justice" from a lawyer

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/872532952055513088

So this is all about to be a lesson in how Congress has no understanding of the legal definition of terms?
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SgtSphynx
06/08/17 3:51:54 PM
#75:


Yeah, either that or they are willingly ignoring the legal definition
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/17 3:57:47 PM
#76:


There is no "legal" definition of anything when Congress votes for impeachment. Their vote, by definition, is the law.
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 3:58:01 PM
#77:


The important thing in the long run is that Mueller understands it.

Comey essentially laid out today, under oath, an obstruction of justice charge against Trump
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Peace___Frog
06/08/17 3:58:38 PM
#78:


Very helpful. Thanks!
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 3:59:47 PM
#79:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
There is no "legal" definition of anything when Congress votes for impeachment. Their vote, by definition, is the law.


True. Trump could, in a legal sense, commit Obstruction of Justice to the letter, and they could choose not to impeach him.

But then how's that 2018 looking?
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Nelson_Mandela
06/08/17 4:00:13 PM
#80:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
There is no "legal" definition of anything when Congress votes for impeachment. Their vote, by definition, is the law.


True. Trump could, in a legal sense, commit Obstruction of Justice to the letter, and they could choose not to impeach him.

But then how's that 2018 looking?

Well, that's democracy I suppose!
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 4:02:12 PM
#81:


Also a reminder that "impeach" does not mean "remove."

Clinton committed Obstruction of Justice, was in fact impeached for it, and then was not removed.
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SgtSphynx
06/08/17 4:05:08 PM
#82:


The current legal definition of Obstruction of Justice as it pertains to impeachment was created by Congress
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BowserCuffs
06/08/17 4:10:32 PM
#83:


Regarding the "parts" debate, from the perspective of a gay cis man

I'm actually very attracted to trans men, just like I am attracted to cis men. And since bottom surgery is a bit less effective for trans men, I'm alright with them not having gone through that. It's fine for me.

I am not attracted to trans women, even if they haven't gone through bottom surgery, for the same reason I'm not attracted to cis women.

If I was only interested in parts, I could just go buy a dildo and love that.
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Peace___Frog
06/08/17 4:12:51 PM
#84:


Jakyl25 posted...
Also a reminder that "impeach" does not mean "remove."

Clinton committed Obstruction of Justice, was in fact impeached for it, and then was not removed.

Yep, because impeachment is really just bringing charges against, for the Senate to debate on.
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scarletspeed7
06/08/17 4:17:32 PM
#85:


Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 4:19:45 PM
#86:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

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Good job, Idaho.
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Not_an_Owl
06/08/17 4:21:15 PM
#87:


SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

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Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 4:24:15 PM
#88:


Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

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Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.

Who's a senator of Oklahoma, I want to see them talk about lynching the blacks and jews and surge 20 points.
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 4:27:19 PM
#89:


The punchline there killed me
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Kenri
06/08/17 4:30:40 PM
#90:


Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

...

Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.

Just checking: you guys realize this is from a humor piece on WaPo, right?
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 4:38:53 PM
#91:


Kenri posted...

Shut up delete this post don't ruin his magic
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scarletspeed7
06/08/17 4:40:03 PM
#92:


Kenri posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

...

Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.

Just checking: you guys realize this is from a humor piece on WaPo, right?

Yeah. It's pretty damn hilarious and why I posted it.
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Jakyl25
06/08/17 4:45:41 PM
#93:


I did not know it was FAKE NEWS
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 4:48:00 PM
#94:


Jakyl25 posted...
I did not know it was FAKE NEWS

Well, it's tagged with ComPost.
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StealThisSheen
06/08/17 4:52:58 PM
#95:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Kenri posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

...

Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.

Just checking: you guys realize this is from a humor piece on WaPo, right?

Yeah. It's pretty damn hilarious and why I posted it.


Boooooooooo, don't be like Trump. Admit when you're wrong!
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scarletspeed7
06/08/17 4:56:34 PM
#96:


I mean, the source is linked right in the Tweet.
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StealThisSheen
06/08/17 4:57:46 PM
#97:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I mean, the source is linked right in the Tweet.


Don't be Trump.
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Not_an_Owl
06/08/17 5:11:16 PM
#98:


Kenri posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Let's not lose sight of what's important here. An opportunity to make fun of the representatives of small states:

https://twitter.com/oneofeverything/status/872909945162747904

...

Good job, Idaho.

Idaho is pretty damn red. Saying "Barack Hussein Obama" on television probably just gained him two points in the polls.

Just checking: you guys realize this is from a humor piece on WaPo, right?

I did not, and now I feel silly.
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scarletspeed7
06/08/17 5:12:21 PM
#99:


It says something that you can post that without context and people believe such asinine behavior is real. That's pretty scary.
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SupremeZero
06/08/17 5:12:56 PM
#100:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I mean, the source is linked right in the Tweet.

Uh, rather than the source, the tweet itself is tagged for ComPost.
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