Poll of the Day > Betsy DeVos says she wont ban discrimination in private school admissions.

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Her behavior in this vid is pretty disturbing tbqh. Props to the guy for not letting her get away with a BS answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F9BxGvQe2k
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To clarify, she says she will not enact any rules preventing federally subsidized private/charter schools from discriminating against students.
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Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.
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Her non-answer seems appropriate under the context. Can she even legally set that anyway?
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Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.
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Smarkil posted...

Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.

what a stupid comment
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CedarPointcp posted...

Smarkil posted...

Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.

what a stupid comment

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CedarPointcp posted...

Smarkil posted...

Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.

what a stupid comment

"The law? Who cares about laws and courts? The ends will justify the means."
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How dare the federal court make sensible decisions. Who do they think they are, some kind of court? This is America, I have freedom!

Zeus posted...

CedarPointcp posted...

Smarkil posted...

Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.

what a stupid comment

"The law? Who cares about laws and courts? The ends will justify the means."

The law says discrimination is illegal though.
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This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zeus posted...

CedarPointcp posted...

Smarkil posted...

Yeah how dare she let the courts decide what's appropriate. Fucking disgusting of her.

what a stupid comment

"The law? Who cares about laws and courts? The ends will justify the means."

The law says discrimination is illegal though.

Apparently it doesn't if both sides are acknowledging a gray area where courts haven't decided. And while you could argue that you might know better than DeVos (since she's barely been on the job), I'm *pretty* sure that those senators know what they're talking about.
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Barely new on the job? She had no qualifications and literally only got the job because she and her family have given over $200 million to the republican party. Trump has made some questionable appointments, but hers was just absurd. She flat out bought the job.
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CountessRolab posted...

Barely new on the job?

No, I said "barely been on the job." Barely new would imply some tenure.

CountessRolab posted...

She had no qualifications and literally only got the job because she and her family have given over $200 million to the republican party. Trump has made some questionable appointments, but hers was just absurd. She flat out bought the job.

Which has some measure of validity, but it's not really relevant to the discussion itself other than to acknowledge or agree with my remark concerning her relative lack of experience on the subject.
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CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?
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Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.
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Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

He is just butthurt lol
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I mean...it's talking about private schools. As in privately owned by a private citizen.

I mean, I didn't watch the video, but I feel as though there's only a certain amount of interference allowed in that kind of situation.
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Revelation34 posted...

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

It's politically prudent to not take a stance on anything you aren't 100% on.
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Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

Good, then she doesn't have to do it. She's the Secretary of Education. Her job isn't to determine what constitutes discrimination or to enforce discrimination laws.

Also, I just want to point out that I don't particularly like her. I think she's a poor choice for the position. But this particular question shouldn't even be asked of her.
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Zeus posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Barely new on the job?

No, I said "barely been on the job." Barely new would imply some tenure.

CountessRolab posted...

She had no qualifications and literally only got the job because she and her family have given over $200 million to the republican party. Trump has made some questionable appointments, but hers was just absurd. She flat out bought the job.

Which has some measure of validity, but it's not really relevant to the discussion itself other than to acknowledge or agree with my remark concerning her relative lack of experience on the subject.

Look at those DeVos backflipsSmarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

Good, then she doesn't have to do it. She's the Secretary of Education. Her job isn't to determine what constitutes discrimination or to enforce discrimination laws.

Also, I just want to point out that I don't particularly like her. I think she's a poor choice for the position. But this particular question shouldn't even be asked of her.

It's her job to make sure kids have a safe and productive learning environment. That's the entire point.
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Smarkil posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

Good, then she doesn't have to do it. She's the Secretary of Education. Her job isn't to determine what constitutes discrimination or to enforce discrimination laws.

Also, I just want to point out that I don't particularly like her. I think she's a poor choice for the position. But this particular question shouldn't even be asked of her.

but this particular question shouldn't even be asked of her? what a stupid comment? Do you ever make any good comments?
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demonshonor posted...

I mean...it's talking about private schools. As in privately owned by a private citizen.

I mean, I didn't watch the video, but I feel as though there's only a certain amount of interference allowed in that kind of situation.

There are a lot of private/charter schools now that get federal subsidies. She is actively trying to grow the practice. Because for profit education is the path to victory! /s

If they truly are private/charter schools, whatever their playground. But, if they are getting tax payer money, they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.

EvilMegas posted...

It's her job to make sure kids have a safe and productive learning environment. That's the entire point.

And she will do what the law requires - laws which should already cover discrimination. If they don't, then the issue is with congress and not the secretary of education.

Besides, even apart from legal definitions, this is specifically in reference to private schools. The beauty of private schools is that they're not compulsory. If I had an LGBTQ child that was being discriminated against, I would pull them out of that shitty school.

It might be a different story if this were in reference to public schools, but that wasn't the question that was asked.
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Doyen posted...

If they truly are private/charter schools, whatever their playground. But, if they are getting tax payer money, they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.

Now that is something that I can agree on. Completely, wholely, and 100% agree on; if they're getting outside funding from the money we pay in taxes, or if they are getting some sort of federal funding.

If they're not, that's a grey area. Anyways, going to a private school is not mandatory. If it's a serious problem or issue to the parents, they should just switch their kids over to a public school.
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CountessRolab posted...

Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.

Is it any wonder that general education levels in the U.S. have been steadily declining after affirmative action?

Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.


demonshonor posted...

Doyen posted...

If they truly are private/charter schools, whatever their playground. But, if they are getting tax payer money, they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.

Now that is something that I can agree on. Completely, wholely, and 100% agree on; if they're getting outside funding from the money we pay in taxes, or if they are getting some sort of federal funding.

If they're not, that's a grey area. Anyways, going to a private school is not mandatory. If it's a serious problem or issue to the parents, they should just switch their kids over to a public school.

I don't want my taxpayer money going to help raise a single mothers 3rd bastard child. If you can make sure this no longer happens I will support forcing private institutions to accept public business policies as per governmental decisions, since there will no longer be a federally subsidies subset of people who will affirmative actioned into the institution to ruin its educational integrity eliminating the current NEED for discrimination.
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Look - she's a terrible pick for this position.

But she's answering the question the only way possible. If you receive federal funding - you have to follow federal rules. The grey areas have to be decided in court and law - they shouldn't be at her department's discretion. If it were - then it will just change administration to administration.

bulbinking posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.

Is it any wonder that general education levels in the U.S. have been steadily declining after affirmative action?

Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Is is it any wonder that the Earth's temperature has been steadily rising while the number of pirates in the world has been decreasing? Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Correlation =/= Causation
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CountessRolab posted...

bulbinking posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.

Is it any wonder that general education levels in the U.S. have been steadily declining after affirmative action?

Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Is is it any wonder that the Earth's temperature has been steadily rising while the number of pirates in the world has been decreasing? Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Correlation =/= Causation

I don't know about that. I always see people talking about downloading.
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Tax dollars = no discrimination. If somebody wants to entirely fund their own KKKollege, whatever, but public money can't be misused like this.
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Private schools and businesses are fair game.
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Revelation34 posted...

Smarkil posted...

CountessRolab posted...

This has nothing to do with the courts btw. The laws are set by congress.
But whatever, keep defending her because she is republican.

She literally says in the video you posted, "That is a matter for congress and the courts."

What are you trying to prove here? That she hates gay people? Or that she's letting people more qualified than her decide what should and shouldn't be considered discrimination?

Pretty obvious to point out what discrimination is. Literally anybody could do it. Even kids.

The problem is that we have kids insisting what discrimination is instead of having the courts examine the matter. The idea that kids are more qualified than courts is laughable, especially since the people sitting on the bench were, at one point, kids before they grew up, were highly educated, experienced decades of life, and sit there with a better understanding than laypeople on such matters.

EvilMegas posted...

Look at those DeVos backflips

And in what way are those backflips? Nothing is inconsistent with my original statement.

EvilMegas posted...

It's her job to make sure kids have a safe and productive learning environment. That's the entire point.

Then she's doing her job, isn't she?

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Tax dollars = no discrimination. If somebody wants to entirely fund their own KKKollege, whatever, but public money can't be misused like this.

Actually, the places where we invest the most tax dollars are the places with the highest levels of discrimination. Magnet schools being a perfect example. Granted, some of that is illegal but magnet schools are big into that.

Doyen posted...

There are a lot of private/charter schools now that get federal subsidies. She is actively trying to grow the practice. Because for profit education is the path to victory! /s

If they truly are private/charter schools, whatever their playground. But, if they are getting tax payer money, they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate.

And there are already laws in place regarding all that. More importantly, discrimination is the LEAST of the problems associated with charter schools, given the more notorious examples (then again, we have public schools which turn out functionally illiterate children so YMMV).
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CountessRolab posted...

bulbinking posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.

Is it any wonder that general education levels in the U.S. have been steadily declining after affirmative action?

Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Is is it any wonder that the Earth's temperature has been steadily rising while the number of pirates in the world has been decreasing? Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Correlation =/= Causation

Wrong.Pirating has simply taken new forms and if anything is on the rise.

Typical leftists completely unaware about whats going on in the world when it doesn't directly relate to one of their emotional causes failing to see the big picture because of it and forever being wrong in their worldviews.
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While I think this is stupid, if you're gay at a private (most of the time religious) school, there isn't a piece of paper that will save you.

bulbinking posted...

CountessRolab posted...

bulbinking posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Like, WTF? What kind of person has a problem with saying "no, we will not let students be discriminated against"? She very clearly supports this type of discrimination and plans on letting it continue.

Is it any wonder that general education levels in the U.S. have been steadily declining after affirmative action?

Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Is is it any wonder that the Earth's temperature has been steadily rising while the number of pirates in the world has been decreasing? Claim whatever reason you want behind it, but it is a fact.

Correlation =/= Causation

Wrong.Pirating has simply taken new forms and if anything is on the rise.

Typical leftists completely unaware about whats going on in the world when it doesn't directly relate to one of their emotional causes failing to see the big picture because of it and forever being wrong in their worldviews.

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Zeus posted...

The problem is that we have kids insisting what discrimination is instead of having the courts examine the matter. The idea that kids are more qualified than courts is laughable, especially since the people sitting on the bench were, at one point, kids before they grew up, were highly educated, experienced decades of life, and sit there with a better understanding than laypeople on such matters.

Nope. All you need is the first definition. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/discrimination

bulbinking posted...

Wrong.Pirating has simply taken new forms and if anything is on the rise.

Typical leftists completely unaware about whats going on in the world when it doesn't directly relate to one of their emotional causes failing to see the big picture because of it and forever being wrong in their worldviews.

Online doesn't count.
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bulbinking posted...

Wrong.Pirating has simply taken new forms and if anything is on the rise.

The new forms are blasphemous. Somalian pirates are a mockery to the true chosen of the FSM.

Please read more about our culture before you misunderstand it again.
http://flyingspaghettimonster.wikia.com/wiki/Pirates
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