Board 8 > ~FIGHT!~ Fetch, Brock Lesnar and Leon Kennedy vs. Kirby, Sora and Booker deWitt

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StealThisSheen posted...

Johnbobb posted...

I'm not saying to ignore the words

just that the words are dumb

That's more fair, I guess.

Though you did argue Songbird would destroy the clouds you now call indestructible

THIS
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Just noticed Kamek's video

Yeah, definitely in "Clouds can be and probably are destroyed" camp.
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greengravy294 posted...

if anything in kirby games can break clouds surely Beast Incarnate Brock Lesnar can with SUPLEXES that cause volcano eruptions

AND THIS
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Oh and I think Brock breaks clouds but still loses.
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Kamekguy posted...

Also woah baby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkp9s_WMFhk

These clouds sure do seem durable.

Okay this makes me feel way better about the clouds being destructible in general, because there's an in-game reference instead of guessing just how durable clouds should be.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Johnbobb posted...

I'm not saying to ignore the words

just that the words are dumb

That's more fair, I guess.

Though you did argue Songbird would destroy the clouds you now call indestructible

THIS

I also argued they SHOULD be considered like Smash terrains (indestructible from the top, tangible from sides and bottom) because that's the only way they feasibly work.

Because while I don't think fighting on the clouds would destroy them, I also don't think an Arwing would fly through here crashing into things left and right
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Oh and I think Brock breaks clouds but still loses.

And yet you voted before arguments were even posted...


Sora is going to be hurt. Leon and Fetch will have the high ground and range on Sora and Kirby. To return to my original argument Fetch and Leon can shoot them down on the commute to melee.
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Drakeryn posted...

Kamekguy posted...

Also woah baby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkp9s_WMFhk

These clouds sure do seem durable.

Okay this makes me feel way better about the clouds being destructible in general, because there's an in-game reference instead of guessing just how durable clouds should be.

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Drakeryn posted...

Kamekguy posted...

Also woah baby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkp9s_WMFhk

These clouds sure do seem durable.

Okay this makes me feel way better about the clouds being destructible in general, because there's an in-game reference instead of guessing just how durable clouds should be.

...the in-game reference is that "if a floating eyeball rubs on them enough, they explode"

Think that counts more as a game mechanic

especially since it's a different stage
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Man, I always do that. I've been quoted forever as not really caring about silly leader arguments. I have my own opinions.
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So where are we if clouds break

Booker falls to his death

Sora's hurt but otherwise okay?

Kirby's... Kirby
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eaedwards6400 posted...

And yet you voted before arguments were even posted...

He also explained several times after arguments were posted why he voted the way he did
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Kirby literally flies

he's fine
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StealThisSheen posted...

So where are we if clouds break

Booker falls to his death

Sora's hurt but otherwise okay?

Kirby's... Kirby

Kirby is Archer Kirby, minion of death.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Sora is going to be hurt. Leon and Fetch will have the high ground and range on Sora and Kirby. To return to my original argument Fetch and Leon can shoot them down on the commute to melee.

Leon is getting wrecked by Songbird. Fetch escapes by going invincible, which is a pretty sweet trick.

But even if Songbird didn't exist, neither of them "have the range" on Archer Kirby. Caladbolg too strong
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Watch for literally four seconds. You see Fetch turns into wisps of neon. There's no 'aggro tank' nonsense at play there, Songbird literally can't hurt her because he's working with pure brute force. And why would she hold aggro when she's a cloud of neon particles? You think Songbird, once the 'taunt effect' is off, is gonna focus on a neon cloud he can't hurt over real people, and in particular over Booker? Whom it tries to kill SUPER HARD across Bioshock Infinite?

Booker's falling forever to his death. So in that situation either he flies after booker into the bottomless death field (In which case it's Sora & Archirby VS Fetch) or he's fighting whoever is nearby. Which would be Fetch because why wouldn't she be attacking the closest enemy?

Johnbobb posted...

Drakeryn posted...

Kamekguy posted...

Also woah baby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkp9s_WMFhk

These clouds sure do seem durable.

Okay this makes me feel way better about the clouds being destructible in general, because there's an in-game reference instead of guessing just how durable clouds should be.

...the in-game reference is that "if a floating eyeball rubs on them enough, they explode"

Think that counts more as a game mechanic

especially since it's a different stage

I'd give this argument up. You're trying to paint the clouds exactly as they'd best benefit you when there is definite game evidence that suggests otherwise. It's not a good argument.
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Johnbobb posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

And yet you voted before arguments were even posted...

He also explained several times after arguments were posted why he voted the way he did

But then he believed an argument that is a basis in your defense.
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Booker's falling forever to his death. So in that situation either he flies after booker into the bottomless death field (In which case it's Sora & Archirby VS Fetch) or he's fighting whoever is nearby. Which would be Fetch because why wouldn't she be attacking the closest enemy?

Because she's unhittable by Songbird. Songbird can think, it's not going to waste time trying to attack air.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Just noticed Kamek's video

Yeah, definitely in "Clouds can be and probably are destroyed" camp.

wrong Kirby game

nothing in Kirby's Dream Land breaks clouds, but this terrain isn't really in any Kirby game
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https://youtu.be/J_gEzOZKyE4?t=2m3s

Booker is clearly falling to his death from Columbia in the trailer, and yet he is alive in-game. Thus he can survive a fall from the clouds. QED.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Because she's unhittable by Songbird. Songbird can think, it's not going to waste time trying to attack air.

I guesssss? Songbird never struck me as something immensely intelligent. If she's materializing at all he'd be going after it, in my opinion.

Anyway yeah. Sufficient evidence that Fetch can kite songbird here, combined with Booker probably dying instantly, and Sora maybe dying instantly depending on how quickly he recovers from the suplex and the cloud positioning, thinking Fetch can carry it home. Honestly kinda possible even if the Cloud's don't outright explode from the suplexes to me, as I think the initial stun value of being dropped on your head is being undersold quite a bit.


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Editor's Note: The gif was in bold and was a vote for Lesnar
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I mean, if we're including the terrain as a thing then getting your head smashed into fluffy clouds... Doesn't actually seem that bad? A suplex depends on the environment you're suplexing them into. If you're suplexing them through air then it isn't really going to hurt now, is it?

Clouds that can support weight-- probably about on par with a WWE ring.
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Lopen posted...

Clouds that can support weight-- probably about on par with a WWE ring.

I mean, clouds that
Johnbobb posted...

"if a floating eyeball rubs on them enough, they explode"

Shit goes both ways here. If they're going through it, it clearly isn't going to damage them that much at all.

Alany posted...

I mean, if we're including the terrain as a thing then getting your head smashed into fluffy clouds... Doesn't actually seem that bad? A suplex depends on the environment you're suplexing them into. If you're suplexing them through air then it isn't really going to hurt now, is it?

To your point then it is definitely breakingand Sora and Booker fall to their death.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

To your point then it is definitely breakingand Sora and Booker fall to their death.

SORA GLIDES.

BOOKER DIES.

And Fetch is taking them both!
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Arti posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Just noticed Kamek's video

Yeah, definitely in "Clouds can be and probably are destroyed" camp.

wrong Kirby game

nothing in Kirby's Dream Land breaks clouds, but this terrain isn't really in any Kirby game

To be fair, nothing in Dream Land tries to break clouds.

So it's Adventure with proof of clouds breaking
vs
Dream Land with no proof in either direction

Something is better than nothing, to me.
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Floating eyeball has technique, man.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

And Fetch is taking them both!

Honestly this match is closer than I'm giving it credit for. The only reason I'm not voting for you is because of KIRBY RESPECT!

Lopen posted...

The gif was in bold

"The gif was in bold" -Lopen, 2017
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Johnbobb posted...

Also, as someone who's played the Kirby games, the clouds in Bubbly Clouds aren't really destructible. Like, all the fighters can stand on them. They're solid.

Now like, that's not to say Arwing couldn't go through them, but they're definitely strong enough to fight on and slam things into, as shown by the Kirby games.

would disagree with that one.
i mean if you're going to get technical with the terrain, Kirby's 8 inches and is light enough for a child to carry him with ease. assuming that puts him at 2 pounds tops, everything that takes place can keep that in mind, as well as the fact that long drops are no problem on those clouds, which would add quite a bit of force to that weight. that's what the terrain actually is. if you were to add fighters to it of course it'd be impossible, so magical mercs adjustments have long since been made, though kan went pretty straightforward with it.

but with that terrain in mind, should you scale the terrain upwards to fit adults just fine and support them with ease, it's an extremely thick "cloud" to the point where it might as well be denser than a thick steel floor.

...so basically, Songbird probably has no issue with it but everyone else wouldn't be able to get through it.
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I can confirm: Lopen's gif was in bold.
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If we're gonna talk pseudoscience on clouds, how about the interaction of all that water vapor and neon gas?
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I feel as if neon powers against clouds is Very Bad
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I mean neon doesn't really interact with water all that much what with the whole noble gas thing.
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Chemistry is hard my b
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Yeah, but just as a matter of being surrounded by a fairly dense, gaseous medium seems like a fun argument.
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Fetch

Brock, Leon and Booker die real quick, after that Fetch is best equipped to evade Songbird and take potshots at the opp.
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Archer Kirby

Agree with Jeezy that Brock/Leon/Booker die quickly, but I take Archer Kirby + Sora over Fetch.

Songbird is somewhat of a wildcard -- but Fetch sees Booker summoning it, she probably believes it's a straight-up enemy and doesn't know its loyalty evaporates after 30 seconds. I think it's most likely that she continues (unknowingly) aggroing it after 30 seconds are up. Alternately, if Songbird takes off to chase down Booker's falling corpse, Kirby/Sora straight up win the match.
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Just curious Drakeryn how does Fetch continue aggroing Songbird? Not sure what that means since as far as I'm aware Songbird just goes on stealth bomber runs as his huge claim to destructive fame so him specifically targeting seems kind of odd to me.

Also if people think the terrain is destructible then Songbird is probably killing everyone <_>
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I think she just keeps attacking it - you know, with neon...attacks (okay I admit I am not super familiar with Fetch). And Songbird is pissed at being attacked and fights back.

Whereas Kirby and Sora are aware "don't piss off the giant bird mech if you can help it" so they don't.
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greengravy294 posted...

as far as I'm aware Songbird just goes on stealth bomber runs as his huge claim to destructive fame so him specifically targeting seems kind of odd to me.

He specifically targets the fuck out of Booker in game.
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To the point that he grabs you and tries to mash you into paste, yeah. Songbird is mostly melee IIRC, with shitloads of brute force.
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Gatarix posted...

I think she just keeps attacking it - you know, with neon...attacks (okay I admit I am not super familiar with Fetch). And Songbird is pissed at being attacked and fights back.

Whereas Kirby and Sora are aware "don't piss off the giant bird mech if you can help it" so they don't.

I can buy that logic actually and I do think Fetch would indiscriminately attack Songbird if a viable target (i.e. in her range, which isn't out of the question)

yes i am aware songbird is a melee dude and grapples a zeppelin i DID play the game it's VERY GOOD game give booker return to sender you jerk
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I do agree that if Songbird wasn't here or for whatever reason left Kirby/Sora/Fetch alone, that'd be a victory for BEAST Kirby and Sora.

Also the wording on the ability is a little funky: "after which the Whistler will break and Songbird will attack everyone equally." Almost makes me think that Songbird will strike at even non-attacking foes in the name of fairness and equality.
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