Board 8 > Fire Emblem Musou info

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The protagonists are a pair of OC twins. Also,

Fire Emblem’s basic elements such as the weapon triangle, strategic elements, and unit classes will be in the game.

It’ll be fully-voiced and have plenty of lines from all the characters. Intelligent Systems is supervising for character settings and such.

Characters appearing will mostly be from Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Fire Emblem Fates. It won’t be the kind of game where all the main characters from the entire series get together.

The reason for this is because if you put a bunch of protagonists together then it’ll be nothing but sword-wielding characters.

The number of participating characters ended up being the most of any other Musou collaboration title’s first entry.

You’ll get to play as archers and magic-type characters.

While more information about the world setting can’t be shared for now, they say that it’ll go something along the lines of being called forth by a “Shield of Fire” in this world and going beyond space and time.

There will be elements that will for example make your Archer do extra damage while attacking a Pegasus Knight.

Cavaliers and other horse-mounted units will always fight on a mount. They’re designing such classes to keep their high-mobility appeal.

As for support conversations, there will be something similar called the “Bond Conversation.” They already have an enormous amount of text prepared for the game, which will feature conversations ranging from serious to silly.

There won’t be a marriage system. Think of it as characters just becoming friends, as there won’t be any romantic developments.

http://www.siliconera.com/2017/05/30/fire-emblem-warriors-will-mostly-feature-heroes-shadow-dragon-awakening-fates/
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Path of Radiance DLC Pack please
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ninkendo posted...

Path of Radiance DLC Pack please

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Anagram posted...

Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Fire Emblem Fates

Ok so 0 reason to get this.
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Anagram posted...

Characters appearing will mostly be from Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Fire Emblem Fates. It won’t be the kind of game where all the main characters from the entire series get together.

Pass.
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I like those games and that's still a turnoff to me.
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At least they'll probably still include Ike from that earlier poll.
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Really bummed that the only games to get significant rep in any recent projects (Heroes is fine now but it was this way at first) are those same three. Fates/Awakening I at least get from a money making standpoint, but Shadow Dragon is absolutely nothing in the west... does Japan actually like it enough to outweigh that?
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Really bummed that the only games to get significant rep in any recent projects (Heroes is fine now but it was this way at first) are those same three. Fates/Awakening I at least get from a money making standpoint, but Shadow Dragon is absolutely nothing in the west... does Japan actually like it enough to outweigh that?

It's probably that Fire Emblem 1 has to be included in these things by default, and SD is the remake of it.
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I don't know why that's the default to be honest.

Like that's not the default with Final Fantasy, for example.
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It's kinda a loaded phrase. It's not like anyone expected that "most" of the characters were going to be from Jugdral, Elibe, or Magvel.
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I wouldn't say Shadow Dragon deserves "most" either. Throw in Marth and the Whitewings and what else you got? Navarre? Draug? Cain/Abel?
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KJH posted...

It's kinda a loaded phrase. It's not like anyone expected that "most" of the characters were going to be from Jugdral, Elibe, or Magvel.

This also leaves out Tellius, Valentia, and half of Archanea though.

And Hyrule Warriors had a lot of more obscure/less expected characters.
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It's a Musou crossover roster, it's probably not getting all that many characters in the first place. Like the people I'd say are 100% guaranteed inclusions:

Marth
Chrom
Lucina
Robin
Corrin
Ryoma
Xander
Takumi
Leo

Kinda doubt the roster gets twice as big as this size before DLC or not including the OC characters. Fates and Awakening dominate the roster already with main characters, and lots of characters are repeats of archtypes, so Marth's is probably going to have stuff like Tiki as the original manakete (instead of having Nowi), Camus for popping up so much in FE1-3, Ogma/Navarre for original merc/myrmidon, and maybe Caeda for pegasus knights if they don't just throw in the sisters from Fates. Awakening probably gets Tharja if nothing else, I hope it gets Walhart to be the true Lu Bu of the game.

That's not including the almost assured ones that aren't part of the "most" like Ike, Roy, and probably Lyn.
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It'll probably need at least a tome-user or two.
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KJH posted...

It's a Musou crossover roster, it's probably not getting all that many characters in the first place. Like the people I'd say are 100% guaranteed inclusions:
[snip]

I think it's reasonable to not expect 5 dumb Fates characters and both of Chrom/Lucina (when they fight exactly the same way) -- again, especially based on Hyrule Warriors.

Also like 75% of the characters you listed are sword users which they said they're using fewer games specifically to avoid, so.
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Kenri posted...

Also like 75% of the characters you listed are sword users which they said they're using fewer games specifically to avoid, so.

Yeah I would be willing to bet that the roster is way larger than 2x what was listed for that reason alone. Lesser people who are still close to the MCs will probably take up a majority of the space. Shepherds, Marth's band, etc probably all get in
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Hector is an axe bro


IS has failed me clearly.
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You are insane to think Lucina is not getting in this game. >_>

Chrom and Marth are already confirmed. Corrin, Ryoma, and Xander's weapons are all shown in the first trailer of the game. No way they leave Robin out when he's the main character and also known from Smash along with having weapon variety by being a mage, and Takumi/Leo are likewise the next most important characters for Fates, pretty popular (Takumi especially), and also bring weapon variety to the table.

Also I don't think you're remembering the Hyrule Warriors roster on release. They had Link, Zelda, Ganon, and Impa as characters that repeat through the series, and then they had 2 characters from SS (partner, villain), 3 characters from TP (partner, NPC, villain), and 2 characters from OoT (goron and zora, both sages you did two dungeons for each). The only surprise was Agatha. They could make this just as surprising by throwing in one weird choice like Lon'qu for no reason.
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Lucina is definitely in this along with Chrom and Robin, they get in on smash notoriety alone
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At least they'll probably still include Ike from that earlier poll.

You mean the one where he claimed two spots in the top 10?
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KJH posted...

You are insane to think Lucina is not getting in this game. >_>

well yeah now that we know they're pulling mostly from awakening and fates


KJH posted...

Also I don't think you're remembering the Hyrule Warriors roster on release. They had Link, Zelda, Ganon, and Impa as characters that repeat through the series, and then they had 2 characters from SS (partner, villain), 3 characters from TP (partner, NPC, villain), and 2 characters from OoT (goron and zora, both sages you did two dungeons for each). The only surprise was Agatha. They could make this just as surprising by throwing in one weird choice like Lon'qu for no reason.

I think you're not remembering the reactions to it. Ruto, Darunia, Fi, and Agitha were all considered fairly surprising since none of them fight in any game they appear in.

Also, what you've described here is infinitely more variety than Awakening trio + Fates brothers + Marth.
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Grand Kirby posted...

Anagram posted...

At least they'll probably still include Ike from that earlier poll.

You mean the one where he claimed two spots in the top 10?

Yes. Sadly Dorcas will probably not get in despite doing well in the poll.
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Kenri posted...

well yeah now that we know they're pulling mostly from awakening and fates

Nah, just in general. Lucina is one of the most popular characters in the series now, a playable character in Smash, has her own amiibo, gets all sorts of special treatment in other crossovers and merchandise. They aren't missing this beat on a game that's explicitly fanservice.

Kenri posted...

I think you're not remembering the reactions to it. Ruto, Darunia, Fi, and Agitha were all considered fairly surprising since none of them fight in any game they appear in.

Also, what you've described here is infinitely more variety than Awakening trio + Fates brothers + Marth.

That's mainly because most Zelda characters are weirder and don't do conventional fighting like Fire Emblem characters. As far as picking characters from a limited number of games, and picking the most obviously important ones? Pretty much same exact thing, but even less characters than we're expecting from FE Musou.
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KJH posted...

Nah, just in general. Lucina is one of the most popular characters in the series now, a playable character in Smash, has her own amiibo, gets all sorts of special treatment in other crossovers and merchandise. They aren't missing this beat on a game that's explicitly fanservice.

I guess. This is what people said about Lyn for the last two Smash Bros games too though. Plus, literally the exact same fighting style as the only confirmed character so far. And not just "it looks the same" like Eliwood and Roy; it's actually pointed out in the story that they fight the same way.

KJH posted...

That's mainly because most Zelda characters are weirder and don't do conventional fighting like Fire Emblem characters. As far as picking characters from a limited number of games, and picking the most obviously important ones? Pretty much same exact thing, but even less characters than we're expecting from FE Musou.

No, you can find plenty of conventional fighters in Zelda. They just weren't put in Hyrule Warriors. Neither were "the most obviously important ones". That's sort of ridiculous to even try to claim, looking at the game's roster.
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And yet she ends up fighting like Marth instead in Smash, and she's faster than Chrom. They can make up anything, or just have a Ryu/Ken, but Lucina's still one of the most popular females during the peak of popularity of the series.

Definitely disagree on Hyrule Warriors though. Fi and Ghirahim are the most important character far and away that aren't Link, Zelda, or Impa; Midna and Zant are the most important characters that aren't Link, Zelda, or Ganon; Ruto/Darunia each have a child and adult dungeon and represent series mainstay races (and there's no alternative villain other than Ganondorf, and the partner's a fairy the size of a ping pong ball). You couldn't get a more direct parallel out of Fire Emblem than including Chrom/Lucina/Robin and Corrin/Ryoma/Xander.
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KJH posted...

And yet she ends up fighting like Marth instead in Smash, and she's faster than Chrom. They can make up anything, or just have a Ryu/Ken, but Lucina's still one of the most popular females during the peak of popularity of the series.

...Chrom isn't in Smash, you realize; it's not an "instead" situation.

Like, again, I've already said that if they're focusing on the newer games than of course Lucina should be expected. I'm not sure what you want me to admit here?? Yeah she's popular, so are a bunch of other characters.


KJH posted...

Definitely disagree on Hyrule Warriors though. Fi and Ghirahim are the most important character far and away that aren't Link, Zelda, or Impa; Midna and Zant are the most important characters that aren't Link, Zelda, or Ganon; Ruto/Darunia each have a child and adult dungeon and represent series mainstay races (and there's no alternative villain other than Ganondorf, and the partner's a fairy the size of a ping pong ball). You couldn't get a more direct parallel out of Fire Emblem than including Chrom/Lucina/Robin and Corrin/Ryoma/Xander.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here because I definitely wouldn't consider Fi or Ghirahim more important than Groose, Agitha to be important at all (I'll accept Midna and Zant but I'm not buying that Agitha is just a random exception), or Ruto/Darunia more important than Saria/Nabooru. It seems to me like the logic for Hyrule Warriors was more "who's cool looking and can have a crazy, unique powerset?" Even if I accept your criteria though, I'm definitely not gonna say that Fi and Ghirahim are analogues to Ryoma and Xander and not, like, Azura and Garon.

Anyway, this is getting away from the bigger point which is that this news is disappointing because all the cool FE characters are from 3 through 10.
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Yeah Chrom and Lucina don't fight similarly. Just looking at their attack animations in Awakening will tell you that.

Some of the same moves yeah, since he did teach her and all that, but Chrom is a lot more heavy handed than Lucina is with his attack animations-- hell his stats and general look too. I would expect him to be more of a bruiser and Lucina to be more of a finesse kinda character.
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Lopen posted...

Yeah Chrom and Lucina don't fight similarly. Just looking at their attack animations in Awakening will tell you that.

...The first thing he does when he sees her fighting is to question who taught her, because he recognizes it as his own fighting style.

I'll take your word for it that the animations contradict that though. I never play FE with them on and it's not like Awakening really bothered much with consistency!
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He recognizes it as similar-- more specifically the jumping spinny move that they both do. As I said in the part of the post you didn't quote.

That doesn't mean they fight identically, however. It would be silly to expect that. Lucina would need a Charlotte like build/style to pull that off.
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Like if Chrom was in Smash he'd almost certainly be an Ike clone unlike the Marth clone Lucina is.
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Lopen posted...

He recognizes it as similar-- more specifically the jumping spinny move that they both do.

Negative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoaPXlKYoIo

He says it before she uses Aether, and the entire fight is set up like a mirror match, including Lucina's heavy swings. We also never really see how buff she is, outside of fanservice art (e.g. Bunny Lucina in Heroes).


Lopen posted...

Like if Chrom was in Smash he'd almost certainly be an Ike clone unlike the Marth clone Lucina is.

If Chrom was in Smash I'd expect Lucina to be a Chrom clone, or vice versa.

Keep in mind when discussing Smash though that Lucina started development as a Marth costume, not a separate character.
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Well they clearly have similar flourishes and stuff. "Who taught you to fight like that" isn't saying "dude Ken give me my moveset back," and saying she has similar heavy swings to him is imo wrong even based on that fight scene (which I remembered almost exactly, just had sequencing wrong-- because I just linked it to argue Chrom could jump in an unrelated topic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdTLA0hy1xc

There's also this. Lucina at 5:30 and Chrom at 0:26. Not really similar at all.
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Yeah I'll accept that gameplay is way different. I just prefer to take cutscenes/dialogue when the two contradict each other. But either way it's analyzing like 30 frames of animation or 20 seconds of bad anime so it's not surprising we're reaching different conclusions.
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Like I said I think the implication is that there are similarities that Chrom picks up on, but not that they're identical. I mean she is masquerading as Marth so her overall style being closer to his would make a lot of sense.

Really if you made Lucina as a clone character in a game and Chrom was part of the standard roster, you'd give her some moves from Chrom and Marth to be accurate I'd imagine.

That's probably too advanced for Smash Bros clonetech though. I wouldn't be surprised if the Musou game does something like that though, since Chrom and Marth are definitely gonna be in it.
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So who's who here in terms of DW Lore? Awakening cast - Shu, Fates - Wei, FE1 - Wu?
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SantaRPidgey posted...

Anagram posted...

Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon, Fire Emblem Awakening, and Fire Emblem Fates

Ok so 0 reason to get this.

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So no Nephenee then :(
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