Poll of the Day > Will Trump truly go down as one of the worst Presidents?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Seriously, the man seems to be fumbling the ball hard and will be remembered as little else than a symbol of hatred.
Nothing good has come of the Trump Presidency and he will be a one term president mark my words.
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History will likely remember him as the very worst of our Presidents. He's trying really hard for that spot so far.

SushiSquid posted...

History will likely remember him as the very worst of our Presidents. He's trying really hard for that spot so far.

Funny how he complained about Bush yet is doing nearly everything wrong that the previous administrations did all while stockpiling more stupid shit like a massive and expensive wall.
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Probably not, considering all he needs to do is not start a war based on a bad information and he'd be better than GWB. Likewise, all he needs to do is not get busted for spying on the entire US population and using his drone program to illegally kill civilians overseas and he'd be better than Obama. Then, if he manage to not bomb Albania and have a sex scandal in the White House, he'd be better than Clinton.

The last 3 presidents have set a pretty low bar. And, in general, after the unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced, I can't imagine how much worse the next president will have it when either the Dems ramp up their tactics or the Republicans vow revenge. Just look at the shit that Obama caught because of what the Dems to GWB.
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Zeus posted...

unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced

I don't remember Trump facing a government shutdown.
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Classic Zeus.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zeus posted...

unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced

I don't remember Trump facing a government shutdown.

Lmao, what?

Zeus posted...

Probably not, considering all he needs to do is not start a war based on a bad information and he'd be better than GWB. Likewise, all he needs to do is not get busted for spying on the entire US population and using his drone program to illegally kill civilians overseas and he'd be better than Obama. Then, if he manage to not bomb Albania and have a sex scandal in the White House, he'd be better than Clinton.

The last 3 presidents have set a pretty low bar. And, in general, after the unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced, I can't imagine how much worse the next president will have it when either the Dems ramp up their tactics or the Republicans vow revenge. Just look at the shit that Obama caught because of what the Dems to GWB.

Trump is a godless heathen using religion as a tool to control the masses. How can you support him? Just look at the way he talks and treats women. Is that something Jesus approves of?
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no, that spot is reserved for me
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The Oldest (and) The Most Uneducated (and) The Most Racist-Sexist-Judgemental-Hateful.............. getting ahead of myself there, oops. The Oldest ...hahaha
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i like when people say he isn't educated, like what does that even mean?

you think you're smarter than him?

he figured out how to get elected president

you can't really beat that, that takes smarts beyond anything you're capable of
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No.

SJW's shouting at each other in echo chambers validating each others opinions doesn't matter.

Enough people recognize that the media is so absurdly biased that they don't take them seriously anymore (it's not even kind of biased, they go so far in one direction or the other you'd think they were doing parody).

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they agree with his ideals, they did it to give the middle finger to the establishment.
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hes got 3 years to recover assuming he isnt impeached

so he could turn it around. if he doesnt, yes, he would be one of the worst.

William Henry Harrison
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helIy posted...

he figured out how to get elected president

Yeah, if you throw enough money at it you'll get it, so smart.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Zeus posted...

unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced

I don't remember Trump facing a government shutdown.

That's about the only thing that hasn't happened so far but, if you've seen his budget, you know it's coming.

ImmortalityV posted...

Zeus posted...

Probably not, considering all he needs to do is not start a war based on a bad information and he'd be better than GWB. Likewise, all he needs to do is not get busted for spying on the entire US population and using his drone program to illegally kill civilians overseas and he'd be better than Obama. Then, if he manage to not bomb Albania and have a sex scandal in the White House, he'd be better than Clinton.

The last 3 presidents have set a pretty low bar. And, in general, after the unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced, I can't imagine how much worse the next president will have it when either the Dems ramp up their tactics or the Republicans vow revenge. Just look at the shit that Obama caught because of what the Dems to GWB.

Trump is a godless heathen using religion as a tool to control the masses. How can you support him? Just look at the way he talks and treats women. Is that something Jesus approves of?

lolwut? How does he use religion at all? And who the fuck cares about locker talk? The shit he said was tame compared to stuff I've heard in bars. But thanks for playing. We have these lovely parting gifts for you.

helIy posted...

i like when people say he isn't educated, like what does that even mean?

you think you're smarter than him?

he figured out how to get elected president

you can't really beat that, that takes smarts beyond anything you're capable of

Not to mention that the guy graduated from a prestigious college and managed a successful company.

argonautweakend posted...

so he could turn it around. if he doesnt, yes, he would be one of the worst.

Except no, he STILL wouldn't be, because he'd need to do things as bad as the last three and then far more worse things. Literally all he needs to do is NOT get involved in a ground war and he's golden.
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Are we finally gonna get Zeus to admit he loves Trump. Like he's almost gushing about him now.
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Kana posted...

helIy posted...

he figured out how to get elected president

Yeah, if you throw enough money at it you'll get it, so smart.

Hillary spent over twice what Trump did on her campaign (1.2 billion), and had the entirety of the media and all the corporations behind her.

Clearly, throwing money at the election and having every person on power behind her wasn't enough.

Ironically, it's why people voted for Trump.
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Zeus and Trump sitting in a tree K I S S I N G, first comes love, then comes marriage (oh wait, Trump hates gays and wants to use them as a scapegoat to get the religious on board)...

Zeusy are you upset Trump is forbidden to love you by his party shackles?
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TigerTycoon posted...

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they agree with his ideals, they did it to give the middle finger to the establishment

Most people didn't vote for Trump period.

Zeus posted...

And, in general, after the unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced

Are you serious?

Are you actually serious?

Trump is the head of a party that has control of both houses of Congress and an advantage on the Supreme Court (which they got by multiple flagrantly undemocratic breaches of the judicial appointment process). It is literally impossible for him to be less obstructed short of overthrowing the government and installing himself as dictator-for-life.

You want to talk obstructionism, get back to me after Trump faces down an opposition in congress whose modus operandi is literally "Shut everything down, then blame the president for government not working" and has one of his supreme court nominations flat-out stolen from him by the speaker refusing to hold a hearing.
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Zeus posted...

Probably not, considering all he needs to do is not start a war based on a bad information and he'd be better than GWB.

It wasn't bad information. It was a bad lie to invade Iraq for the benefit of the corrupt system.
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Yes.
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If he gets impeached, he'll be right above Pence at the bottom.
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Hard to say. If he continues on the path he's taking now, then he'll definitely be remembered poorly. But who knows what could happen in the future?
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As long as nobody strikes Ulysses S Grant from the records, Trump is pretty safe.

waterdeepchu posted...

Hard to say. If he continues on the path he's taking now, then he'll definitely be remembered poorly. But who knows what could happen in the future?

Nothing could conceivably make Trump look better in history.
He already looks like a petulant narcissist.
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I don't think he will beat Andrew Jackson, but I think he will surely be considered part of the worst 3 or 5.

TigerTycoon posted...

Kana posted...

helIy posted...

he figured out how to get elected president

Yeah, if you throw enough money at it you'll get it, so smart.

Hillary spent over twice what Trump did on her campaign (1.2 billion), and had the entirety of the media and all the corporations behind her.

Clearly, throwing money at the election and having every person on power behind her wasn't enough.

Ironically, it's why people voted for Trump.

This, pretty much. Anybody who says, "money," is an idiot. Trump was outspent during the primaries by a huge amount and then was outspent during the general election. Likewise, Romney outspent Obama and didn't win.

darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

And, in general, after the unprecedented obstructionism Trump has faced

Are you serious?

Are you actually serious?

Trump is the head of a party that has control of both houses of Congress and an advantage on the Supreme Court (which they got by multiple flagrantly undemocratic breaches of the judicial appointment process). It is literally impossible for him to be less obstructed short of overthrowing the government and installing himself as dictator-for-life.

You want to talk obstructionism, get back to me after Trump faces down an opposition in congress whose modus operandi is literally "Shut everything down, then blame the president for government not working" and has one of his supreme court nominations flat-out stolen from him by the speaker refusing to hold a hearing.

It's hard to write off your almost mind-breaking ignorance. Trump has been harassed and harangued at every step in the process. He's had just about every nomination filibustered (Linda McMahon was one of the few exceptions), including a supreme court nominee which is almost unheard of -- Samuel Alito is perhaps the only other recognized instance, although you have a few more that vaguely resemble it -- and was explicitly stated as being done for political reasons since Garland didn't get a hearing under Obama (which, because you might need me to spell it out for you, wasn't Trump's fault).

As for the idiotic remark about his party controlling both houses, you're forgetting that it includes the Freedom Caucus who were largely behind attacks on Obama. So instead of Obama just needing to worry about Republicans while having a party backing him almost 100% on most issues, Trump has to deal with the Freedom Caucus *and* the Democrats who have pulled out the kitchen sink in doing everything they can to attack him including forcing a recount based on completely unproven claims of Russians interfering with the ballot boxes -- which, by the way -- is EXACTLY the shit that they tried to scare people into thinking Trump would pull.

TheCyborgNinja posted...

Zeus posted...

Probably not, considering all he needs to do is not start a war based on a bad information and he'd be better than GWB.

It wasn't bad information. It was a bad lie to invade Iraq for the benefit of the corrupt system.

No, it's been confirmed as bad intel. You're probably confusing it with Operation Desert Storm which was a complete lie and based on false testimony given by an ambassador's daughter (who had been presented as a nurse) although, to be fair, Iraq had invaded another country.
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It's pretty much impossible to be worse than Andrew Jackson. If Trump initiates a nuclear holocaust, I guess that would do it. But I doubt even he'd do that and am hopeful the military itself would refuse to carry it out if he tried.

But 2nd worst is still wide open! If it turns out the allegations are true and he's basically a puppet of Putin, that alone would probably do it, even aside from any horrible policy decisions or actions he's taken.

Whoever thinks Trump is a bad president, is getting propaganda from the media, the vast majority of it is biased towards Democratic affiliations. They, for example, claimed repeatedly that Hillary Clinton would win the election, and Trump was "not serious", and used that as an excuse to claim that there is no electoral fraud, but after Trump won, they blamed it (without any evidence by the way), that he colluded with Russia, with them giving air-time to Maxine Waters for claiming that him saying "Crooked Hillary", was proof of it, and taking her seriously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an000AYYNaA

They claim that he is "racist", for example, even though this event happened that the media never wanted to talk about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K1-nzxzzug

The media is also trying to slam Trump on every little thing he does (icecreamgate, accusing Melania of hating him, claiming that something stupid he said 12 years ago is new and relevant), to the point where it is beyond a parody.

Poor ICOYAR. You realize you're gonna lose your welfare check if Trump gets his way right?

You're no longer going to be able to be a lazy freeloader and will be forced to get a job.
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Erik_P posted...

Poor ICOYAR. You realize you're gonna lose your welfare check if Trump gets his way right?

You're no longer going to be able to be a lazy freeloader and will be forced to get a job.

At least I am not a welcher.

Yea, you're not a welcher but you'll actually be forced to work.
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Erik_P posted...

Yea, you're not a welcher but you'll actually be forced to work.

And you'll still be a welcher whose political knowledge only extends to sticking your head up your ass.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

Yea, you're not a welcher but you'll actually be forced to work.

And you'll still be a welcher whose political knowledge only extends to sticking your head up your ass.

Pot kettle etc
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William Henry Harrison, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan say hello
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Erik_P posted...

Pot kettle etc

All you do is spew out nonsense that the media is trying to push on us.

With the entire internet playing detective and all, you would think that any evidence that Russia hacked the election, would have surfaced. But of course, with no evidence whatsoever, you still believe that, only because the mainstream media said so.

Probably, unless there's an absolutely booming economy in a few years.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

Pot kettle etc

All you do is spew out nonsense that the media is trying to push on us.

With the entire internet playing detective and all, you would think that any evidence that Russia hacked the election, would have surfaced. But of course, with no evidence whatsoever, you still believe that, only because the mainstream media said so.

All 17 intelligence agencies have said they interfered in our election.

As for evidence, you don't seem to understand how investigations work.
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Erik_P posted...

All 17 intelligence agencies have said they interfered in our election.

You mean the very agencies whose sole purpose is to deceive people?

TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

All 17 intelligence agencies have said they interfered in our election.

You mean the very agencies whose sole purpose is to deceive people?

You're right. I guess if it's not on Breitbart then you can't trust anything. I do enjoy how their viewing traffic has gone to shit though, because people finally realized they're full of shit.
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Erik_P posted...

You're right. I guess if it's not on Breitbart then you can't trust anything. I do enjoy how their viewing traffic has gone to shit though, because people finally realized they're full of shit.

So, despite hating the CIA, FBI, NSA, and other alphabet groups, and wanted them destroyed for lying, and spying on the public, you pick the one time they wanted one of their own to win, so you believe them?

I bet you believe that Wikileaks is lying to us then. All 65,000+ emails have been faked, right? From a private source that was never proven wrong, to the point where its founder lives in an embassy to avoid being arrested?

TigerTycoon posted...

Most people didn't vote for Trump because they agree with his ideals, they did it to give the middle finger to the establishment.

Then they're kidding themselves. Trump is the establishment.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Then they're kidding themselves. Trump is the establishment.

So establishment, he was best friends with his other establishment opponents (especially Jeb!), and that Paul Ryan and the other career politicians in the Republican Party, love him?

Trump is as anti-Establishment as they can get.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

You're right. I guess if it's not on Breitbart then you can't trust anything. I do enjoy how their viewing traffic has gone to shit though, because people finally realized they're full of shit.

So, despite hating the CIA, FBI, NSA, and other alphabet groups, and wanted them destroyed for lying, and spying on the public, you pick the one time they wanted one of their own to win, so you believe them?

I bet you believe that Wikileaks is lying to us then. All 65,000+ emails have been faked, right? From a private source that was never proven wrong, to the point where its founder lives in an embassy to avoid being arrested?

I don't ever recall ever saying I hate the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Julian Assange is in an embassy to avoid being arrested for rape and sexual assault. As for the emails, who the fuck cares? Get over it. They don't matter. I'm sure you still believe in that Pizzagate nonsense though.
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ImmortalityV posted...

Seriously, the man seems to be fumbling the ball hard and will be remembered as little else than a symbol of hatred.
Nothing good has come of the Trump Presidency and he will be a one term president mark my words.

Why would you say that? He's made nothing but good choices the entire way... /s

Erik_P posted...

I don't ever recall ever saying I hate the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Julian Assange is in an embassy to avoid being arrested for rape and sexual assault. As for the emails, who the fuck cares? Get over it. They don't matter. I'm sure you still believe in that Pizzagate nonsense though.

The statute for limitations for rape has expired. Most countries, Ecuador excluded (which is why he is in their embassy), wants him arrested for hosting a website for constant leaking. A simple rape conviction does not automatically warrant arrests all around the world.

Also, on the topic of "Pizza"

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/14/british-detectives-efits-madeleine-mccann-suspect

TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

Poor ICOYAR. You realize you're gonna lose your welfare check if Trump gets his way right?

You're no longer going to be able to be a lazy freeloader and will be forced to get a job.

At least I am not a welcher.

I think Erik is an idiot as much as the next person, but I legitimately think you believe welching is worse than maintaining actually employment and paying taxes. Both of you are completely pathetic, but it's just for separate issues.

TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

Poor ICOYAR. You realize you're gonna lose your welfare check if Trump gets his way right?

You're no longer going to be able to be a lazy freeloader and will be forced to get a job.

At least I am not a welcher.

I think [redacted for previous moderation] as much as the next person, but I legitimately think you believe welching is worse than maintaining actually employment and paying taxes. Both of you are completely pathetic, but it's just for separate issues.

Zeus posted...

Trump has been harassed and harangued at every step in the process.

So was Obama. And Bush Jr., and Clinton, and every other president. That comes with the job.

If the degree to which he's being "harassed" is unusual, it's because of his own incompetence, not anything to do with those who oppose him.

Zeus posted...

He's had just about every nomination filibustered (Linda McMahon was one of the few exceptions), including a supreme court nominee which is almost unheard of -- Samuel Alito is perhaps the only other recognized instance, although you have a few more that vaguely resemble it -- and was explicitly stated as being done for political reasons since Garland didn't get a hearing under Obama (which, because you might need me to spell it out for you, wasn't Trump's fault).

This, since you apparently need reminding, was straight out of the Republican playbook in the Obama years. Know why we didn't have filibusters for judicial nominees other than Supreme Court justices prior to Trump taking office? Because the Republicans were abusing the process and filibustering all of Obama's picks, so the Democrats got rid of it.

Zeus posted...

As for the idiotic remark about his party controlling both houses

The "idiotic remark" that happens to be true, since you apparently didn't notice.

Zeus posted...

you're forgetting that it includes the Freedom Caucus who were largely behind attacks on Obama. So instead of Obama just needing to worry about Republicans while having a party backing him almost 100% on most issues, Trump has to deal with the Freedom Caucus *and* the Democrats who have pulled out the kitchen sink in doing everything they can to attack him

And what overtures has Trump made towards cooperating with the Democrats?

Answer: none. At least Obama was trying, in his early years, to forge bipartisan support for some of his initiatives. Hell, that was one of his election promises. Trump, by contrast, has offered nothing to the Democrats beyond insults and threats, talking about "forcing" them to the table by effectively holding a gun to the nation's head.

It doesn't surprise me at all that the Democrats aren't working with Trump, because he doesn't want to work with them.

Zeus posted...

including forcing a recount based on completely unproven claims of Russians interfering with the ballot boxes

That initiative, if you'll recall, was largely fronted by Stein and the Greens. Regardless, Trump won all the recounts and even collected a few more votes - if anything, he should be thankful for the recounts, because they took away an easy conspiracy-theory avenue of attack against him ("Oh, he actually lost those states and squelched the recounts because he knew they'd turn up evidence of his Russian cronies' interference!").

Verifying close election results isn't partisan bias, it's democracy working as intended.

Zeus posted...

-- which, by the way -- is EXACTLY the shit that they tried to scare people into thinking Trump would pull.

Not without reason, apparently, if the intelligence investigations are anything to go by.

Regardless, no one at the time was suggesting that Trump was colluding with the Russians to stuff ballot boxes, merely that the Russians might have done it of their own initiative to get their chosen candidate elected.
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TheWorstPoster posted...

Erik_P posted...

All 17 intelligence agencies have said they interfered in our election.

You mean the very agencies whose sole purpose is to deceive people?

This conspiracy theory is hilarious. Yeah, sure, the upper echelons of ALL 17 intelligence agencies ALL wanted Hillary to win and absolutely none of them wanted Trump to win and not only that, ALL of them were willing to risk their careers (and take the chance of being imprisoned for corruption) to make baseless accusations against Trump; not a single one of them saw anything wrong with this plan. BUT, these 17 agencies - the ones you claim are purpose-designed to deceive people - that put together this insidious scheme never thought to actually manufacture any false evidence to bolster their claim, something they are more than capable of doing. Moreover, none of them thought to actually level these claims BEFORE the election, when it actually would have made a difference (and when they guy they're baselessly accusing doesn't have the ability to immediately fire all of them), and one of them - who, remember, was so hoping for Hillary to win that he's staking his career on this flagrantly illegal plan - decided, against the advice of his superiors in the Department of Justice, to release damning criticism of Hillary in the summer and then, just 12 days before the election, to publicly release a letter noting an ongoing investigation (while keeping Trump's investigation secret) that very well may have sealed the election in Trump's favour.

Yes, this is a perfectly logical progression of events. I see absolutely no logical holes in this theory - certainly not ones big enough to drive a fucking truck through.
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