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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:05:44 PM
#103:


LordoftheMorons posted...
AHCA CBO score is out: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/24/cbo-issues-new-estimates-on-obamacare-repeal-bill.html

23 million people would lose their insurance within 10 years.

To expand on this, there's also the rate hikes.

Obamacare was expected to hike in rates next year (probably because of market fear caused by all this) by 20-30%.

This bill's rates will be another 20% on top of that.

So a 50% rate hike.

Thankfully, I think the amount saved (1.1 billion, I think?) is not remotely the amount the senate wanted to pass it (2 Billion)
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LordoftheMorons
05/24/17 5:08:40 PM
#104:


Even better for states dumb or evil enough to request waivers:

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/867482139566145536
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:11:16 PM
#105:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Interesting. Would you acknowledge that what we classify as "hate crimes" are worse than similar crimes committed without bigotry?

I'm willing to meet in the middle and strike a deal here

You're comparing apples to oranges.

If someone murdered a black person because they were black vs murdering the local homeless crackhead in a warped attempt to "clean up the neighborhood" I'd say the former is indeed more heinous.


Why is that? Presumably the racist killer is doing so in a warped attempt to "clean up the neighborhood" too
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:13:15 PM
#106:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Even better for states dumb or evil enough to request waivers:

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/867482139566145536

*cough*

It's 940% without waivers.
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:14:59 PM
#107:


This really does sound like the MOST American health care act
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:15:29 PM
#108:


Jakyl25 posted...
This really does sound like the MOST American health care act

Paul Ryan thinks so.

https://twitter.com/CahnEmily/status/867481626657345537
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:15:35 PM
#109:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Interesting. Would you acknowledge that what we classify as "hate crimes" are worse than similar crimes committed without bigotry?

I'm willing to meet in the middle and strike a deal here

You're comparing apples to oranges.

If someone murdered a black person because they were black vs murdering the local homeless crackhead in a warped attempt to "clean up the neighborhood" I'd say the former is indeed more heinous.


Why is that? Presumably the racist killer is doing so in a warped attempt to "clean up the neighborhood" too


I'd honestly say both are equally horrendously heinous.
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:17:42 PM
#110:


BowserCuffs posted...
I'd honestly say both are equally horrendously heinous.


That's what I'm getting at too, I'm just probing Seph's philosophy to try and understand it because maybe I'm missing some important distinction?
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:18:37 PM
#111:


This is a nice quote.

a 64 year old person on a fixed income earning $26,500 a year would have an expected yearly insurance cost of $13,600.

over half of your money goes to health insurance. after that you are living on poverty wages, and you're 64. there's no future for you.

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LordoftheMorons
05/24/17 5:19:08 PM
#112:


SupremeZero posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Even better for states dumb or evil enough to request waivers:

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/867482139566145536

*cough*

It's 940% without waivers.

You're right. My bad. I guess it makes sense for prices to be a little lower in the waiver states since they'll be getting shittier insurance.

Still a fucking lot higher than current law, though!
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:20:22 PM
#113:


If the people it hurts the most die off...

...they can't vote you out

*head point*
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:21:16 PM
#114:


What a wonderful bill.

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/867486740738699264
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LordoftheMorons
05/24/17 5:22:10 PM
#115:


Jakyl25 posted...
If the people it hurts the most die off...

...they can't vote you out

*head point*

This is actually similar to the reasoning for why (long term) AHCA lowers average premiums: the oldest and sickest people are all priced out of the market, leading to marginally cheaper plans for the people who need insurance the least
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Nelson_Mandela
05/24/17 5:23:17 PM
#116:


Jakyl25 posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
I'd honestly say both are equally horrendously heinous.


That's what I'm getting at too, I'm just probing Seph's philosophy to try and understand it because maybe I'm missing some important distinction?

One is logical and the other is not

If your goal is just (and I'd argue ending a drug epidemic is just), then killing addicts is a logical solution.
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:23:58 PM
#117:


https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/867487551900323840

... so, Paul Ryan, your solution to the rates increasing under Obamacare is to increase them at double the rate?
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Reg
05/24/17 5:24:37 PM
#118:


#LyinRyan

duh

I mean the dude is literally all about fucking over the poor
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:24:58 PM
#119:


A militia in Libya has arrested (kidnapped?) the Manchester bomber's brother, due to the belief he was the mind behind the attack.

I don't know what the ramifications of this development are.
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LordoftheMorons
05/24/17 5:25:21 PM
#120:


Reg posted...
#LyinRyan

duh

I mean the dude is literally all about fucking over the poor

Also #CowardlyRyan
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:29:18 PM
#121:


https://twitter.com/BBGVisualData/status/867487534036791297

So I guess the uninsured rates will be back to their absolute worst from BEFORE Obamacare.
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-FFDragon-
05/24/17 5:29:35 PM
#122:


SupremeZero posted...
https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/867487551900323840


that's a yikes
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Jakyl25
05/24/17 5:29:37 PM
#123:


Nelson_Mandela posted...

If your goal is just (and I'd argue ending a drug epidemic is just), then killing addicts is a logical solution.


Not really. The logic "if I kill all the drug users no one will use drugs" is a tautology.
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:30:20 PM
#124:


Jakyl25 posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...

If your goal is just (and I'd argue ending a drug epidemic is just), then killing addicts is a logical solution.


Not really. The logic "if I kill all the drug users no one will use drugs" is a tautology.

This is actually relevant now, since the plan in AHCA appears to be "If I kill all the old people, they won't cost us money for healthcare"
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MoogleKupo141
05/24/17 5:30:57 PM
#125:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
I'd honestly say both are equally horrendously heinous.


That's what I'm getting at too, I'm just probing Seph's philosophy to try and understand it because maybe I'm missing some important distinction?

One is logical and the other is not

If your goal is just (and I'd argue ending a drug epidemic is just), then killing addicts is a logical solution.


in the sense that killing cancer patients is a logical solution to the problem of people having cancer

you're killing the victims of the thing so there are no longer victims of the thing
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-FFDragon-
05/24/17 5:31:13 PM
#126:


but if they kill all the old people who will vote for them
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:31:58 PM
#127:


https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/867489599144292353

... Hmm.

-FFDragon- posted...
but if they kill all the old people who will vote for them


¯\_('_')_/¯
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 5:33:20 PM
#128:


-FFDragon- posted...
but if they kill all the old people who will vote for them


The new wave of edgy adults that think harassing trans people on the internet is funny.
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Dancedreamer
05/24/17 5:43:28 PM
#129:


This whole thing reminds me of the Sliders episode where they go to the world where people over a certain age have curfews and are prohibited from working. And Howard Stern is President.
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red sox 777
05/24/17 5:46:04 PM
#130:


If the prices go up, people can quit buying health insurance. Then the insurance companies will raise rates further, and lose more customers. When they have no customers left they go out of business and the long era of health insurance in America will finally be over. Then we might get single payer.
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 5:46:33 PM
#131:


I'm wondering if the following is what's happening between Ryan and McConnell right now in private.

"Um, this isn't going to work, Paul. You're literally killing our voters."
"But... but money."
"This isn't going to pass the senate. You didn't even get half the savings I expected to need to sway the people who were worried about a LESS terrible bill than this."
"DO THEY NOT LIKE MONEY?!"

red sox 777 posted...
If the prices go up, people can quit buying health insurance. Then the insurance companies will raise rates further, and lose more customers. When they have no customers left they go out of business and the long era of health insurance in America will finally be over. Then we might get single payer.


This is technically accurate.

But there's no god damn reason we should be doing it that way.
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TheRock1525
05/24/17 5:56:10 PM
#132:


red sox 777 posted...
If the prices go up, people can quit buying health insurance. Then the insurance companies will raise rates further, and lose more customers. When they have no customers left they go out of business and the long era of health insurance in America will finally be over. Then we might get single payer.


Yeah let's go the route that will take decades to implement for the sake of getting single player, assuring years and years of suffering.

Insurance companies won't magically die off in a couple years.
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Peace___Frog
05/24/17 6:03:43 PM
#133:


That's the most uneducated view of insurance I've seen in a while.
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 6:03:47 PM
#134:


red sox 777 posted...
If the prices go up, people can quit buying health insurance.


More like "People will keep buying health insurance until they go broke because you need it before doctors will perform certain procedures, and they'll need to buy it early so that they can have their conditions covered."
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red sox 777
05/24/17 6:06:39 PM
#135:


If it's too slow then put in a big tax on health insurance. Tax it to oblivion. Maybe they can scoff at 23 million more uninsured but I bet 230 million more uninsured will change things.
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 6:08:28 PM
#136:


red sox 777 posted...
If it's too slow then put in a big tax on health insurance. Tax it to oblivion. Maybe they can scoff at 23 million more uninsured but I bet 230 million more uninsured will change things.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/545/OpoQQ.jpg
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StealThisSheen
05/24/17 6:08:33 PM
#137:


red sox 777 posted...
If it's too slow then put in a big tax on health insurance. Tax it to oblivion. Maybe they can scoff at 23 million more uninsured but I bet 230 million more uninsured will change things.


This is the single most "Well off guy sitting at computer" response I've ever seen
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TheRock1525
05/24/17 6:08:42 PM
#138:


Yes because Republicans are know for wanting to put big taxes on things.
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Peace___Frog
05/24/17 6:09:33 PM
#139:


Lol and in the meantime no hospital is performing anything and oh this is in the middle of multiple epidemics so everything will be fine. ok
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 6:10:26 PM
#140:


https://twitter.com/brianbeutler/status/867502050128613377

"Whoops"
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Peace___Frog
05/24/17 6:11:08 PM
#141:


For fucks sake
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red sox 777
05/24/17 6:11:21 PM
#142:


TheRock1525 posted...
Yes because Republicans are know for wanting to put big taxes on things.


And for hypocrisy. It's perfect.
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 6:12:26 PM
#143:


red sox 777 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Yes because Republicans are know for wanting to put big taxes on things.


And for hypocrisy. It's perfect.


Peace___Frog posted...
Lol and in the meantime no hospital is performing anything and oh this is in the middle of multiple epidemics so everything will be fine. ok

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red sox 777
05/24/17 6:13:39 PM
#144:


Ok, people seem to have difficulty discerning which of my posts are meant to be humorous, so I think I'll step away for a bit right now.
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BowserCuffs
05/24/17 6:14:52 PM
#145:


red sox 777 posted...
Ok, people seem to have difficulty discerning which of my posts are meant to be humorous, so I think I'll step away for a bit right now.


This isn't any different from what you usually post.
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Peace___Frog
05/24/17 6:16:52 PM
#146:


Maybe health insurance is poor material for comedy
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Ashethan
05/24/17 6:16:59 PM
#147:


Remember: Republicans don't want to pay for other people's health insurance.

...why none of them seem to understand this is exactly what Health Insurance is, is beyond me.
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red sox 777
05/24/17 6:20:11 PM
#148:


BowserCuffs posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Ok, people seem to have difficulty discerning which of my posts are meant to be humorous, so I think I'll step away for a bit right now.


This isn't any different from what you usually post.


Probably the majority of initial posts I make in this topic recently are meant to be funny, but all of them are meant to at least be interesting. I'm not sure there's actually too much to discuss here anymore that I care about as the topic seems to have reached an impasse on most substantive issues.
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 7:14:48 PM
#149:


“At one point, Francis kidded with the first couple. While shaking Melania Trump’s hand, he asked what she fed him. Potizza, he asked?

“Potizza,” she said, referring to a Slovenian treat.”


... the pope called Trump fat.

And Melania agreed.
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Not_an_Owl
05/24/17 7:15:35 PM
#150:


SupremeZero posted...
“At one point, Francis kidded with the first couple. While shaking Melania Trump’s hand, he asked what she fed him. Potizza, he asked?

“Potizza,” she said, referring to a Slovenian treat.”


... the pope called Trump fat.

And Melania agreed.

He probably knows more about her homeland and culture than her husband does.
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Peace___Frog
05/24/17 7:16:21 PM
#151:


Not_an_Owl posted...
SupremeZero posted...
“At one point, Francis kidded with the first couple. While shaking Melania Trump’s hand, he asked what she fed him. Potizza, he asked?

“Potizza,” she said, referring to a Slovenian treat.”


... the pope called Trump fat.

And Melania agreed.

He probably knows more about her homeland and culture than her husband does.

Guaranteed
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SupremeZero
05/24/17 7:16:49 PM
#152:


Now in video form.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/867376122954211331
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