Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 99: Why Is No One Talking About Seth Rich?!

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We've had some level-headed conservatives, but the more outrageous trolls have:

1) made it easier to lump the more respectable people with the trolls' sides because in some broad sense they agree on certain things but they're not really the same when they come down to details so it's not completely fair. Thus, it becomes more annoying to talk plainly without addressing them both. We then shorten our language, because who wants to deal with that much nuance just to be clear about who you're talking to all the time? This upsets the level-headed conservatives and encourages the trolls.

2) chased away some of our level-headed liberals due to constant intentional attempts to break down the topic. I'm specifically thinking of somebody being totally full of himself after Jakyl wouldn't make topics anymore, I think in January. This was almost immediately after he flooded a topic with offensive posts -- I'm talking eight posts in a row that featured linking black people's stereotypes with terrorism if I remember correctly. I think we lost a few people who were contributing more before that time, people that I generally agreed with but they would also call out some liberal BS. That topic struck me as kind of a red line that killed off interest in this series, and it was celebrated by the same person along with some other shitstarters afterward (talk about censorship again.....). This upsets the level-headed liberals and encourages the trolls, which then makes it worse for level-headed conservatives because they don't see their even match as easily anymore.


And the rest of us still here haven't learned out to cut the obvious problem out: trolls, it's trolls. There's a feature literally made to ignoring them...and yet, even after learning to exercise it more, here I am having to explain where I think we let them hurt not just our liberal conversations but even their convervative conversations too.
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Corrik posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Corrik posted...

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/evergreen-state-students-demand-professor-resign-f/

This is stuff the Left does and then will argue that if you defend the legitimacy of the Confederate Battle Flag as a historical icon that you are racist.

There is too much: It is my way or you are this "label" that goes on imo.

No, this is not stuff "the left" does. This is stuff that fucking brainless morons do. The ratio of all liberals to people like that is probably about the same as the ratio of all Muslims to legit initiated isis members.

Apply what I linked to here to what people on this board do. It is a very smooth comparison.

You have some levelheaded Left here. And you have Far Left who continually label, berate, insult, demand users leave and so on whenever they disagree with them.

And, the problem is. The levelheaded left. Or the Center Left Professor in the article tend to not berate the Far Left befause they are furthering their own ideas and become bystanders to it. Thus, we generally just do not care to discuss with them at all.

Even back in TES3, I don't recall ever reading a post of yours where you weren't playing the victim. Your M.O. has more application than anything anyone could link. I know why I left, I know why I came back. I know why I haven't left again. You're asking me to misread what goes on and I'm not going to do that. With both left and right contingencies on this board, I've seen the attitudes and perspectives from as far back as nearly 15 years, before any sjw garbage movements took place... before "safe spaces," "buzzwords," "echo chambers," "microtriggers" and all these other terms were around.

The "far left" in the story and other similar stories like that Berkeley bullshit when people were blocking a building or whatever... I do not see that demographic here. You're trying to paint b8 liberals as such but I don't see any cause to buy into that. Perhaps the scope of what I see is just broader.
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Ultii posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Ultii posted...

I legit don't get how a guy slams a reporter and wins an election two days later, even if it was a setup.

2/3 of the vote were already cast.

Ah, gotcha. Pretty shitty then.

Weren't you celebrating this guy's win yesterday
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Corrik posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Corrik posted...

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/evergreen-state-students-demand-professor-resign-f/

This is stuff the Left does and then will argue that if you defend the legitimacy of the Confederate Battle Flag as a historical icon that you are racist.

There is too much: It is my way or you are this "label" that goes on imo.

No, this is not stuff "the left" does. This is stuff that fucking brainless morons do. The ratio of all liberals to people like that is probably about the same as the ratio of all Muslims to legit initiated isis members.

Apply what I linked to here to what people on this board do. It is a very smooth comparison.

You have some levelheaded Left here. And you have Far Left who continually label, berate, insult, demand users leave and so on whenever they disagree with them.

And, the problem is. The levelheaded left. Or the Center Left Professor in the article tend to not berate the Far Left befause they are furthering their own ideas and become bystanders to it. Thus, we generally just do not care to discuss with them at all.

Even back in TES3, I don't recall ever reading a post of yours where you weren't playing the victim. Your M.O. has more application than anything anyone could link. I know why I left, I know why I came back. I know why I haven't left again. You're asking me to misread what goes on and I'm not going to do that. With both left and right contingencies on this board, I've seen the attitudes and perspectives from as far back as nearly 15 years, before any sjw garbage movements took place... before "safe spaces," "buzzwords," "echo chambers," "microtriggers" and all these other terms were around.

The "far left" in the story and other similar stories like that Berkeley bullshit when people were blocking a building or whatever... I do not see that demographic here. You're trying to paint b8 liberals as such but I don't see any cause to buy into that. Perhaps the scope of what I see is just broader.

Do what we say or you are racist student liberals vs think how we think or you are racist Board 8 Liberals.

Guess maybe I just find that comparison way too easy to make.
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trdl23 posted...

Ultii posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Ultii posted...

I legit don't get how a guy slams a reporter and wins an election two days later, even if it was a setup.

2/3 of the vote were already cast.

Ah, gotcha. Pretty shitty then.

Weren't you celebrating this guy's win yesterday

... are you mixing him up with SephG?
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When did the idea of open discussion become a referendum on how both sides shut down open discussion?
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SupremeZero posted...

trdl23 posted...

Ultii posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Ultii posted...

I legit don't get how a guy slams a reporter and wins an election two days later, even if it was a setup.

2/3 of the vote were already cast.

Ah, gotcha. Pretty shitty then.

Weren't you celebrating this guy's win yesterday

... are you mixing him up with SephG?

I know Seph made the topic, but I thought Ulti came in too?
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SephyG is a reasonable poster who adds value to the conversation. Why? He uses reason, and coherent arguments. I disagree with him on many things, usually because our goals are different, not because of bad reasoning.

Ulti doesn't generally employ coherent arguments, but he still adds a lot of value because he is really good at ascertaining the will of the people and going with it. When Ulti votes for the Dems, they'll come back into power. Probably not before then.
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red sox 777 posted...

SephyG is a reasonable poster who adds value to the conversation. Why? He uses reason, and coherent arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4
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Everybody's Russian best friend that they can't seem to remember, Sergei Kislyak, told Moscow that Jared requested a secret communications channel with the Russians:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-ambassador-told-moscow-that-kushner-wanted-secret-communications-channel-with-kremlin/2017/05/26/520a14b4-422d-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html
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Woo this topic ignored my link like it was laced with acid.
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The Washington Times is a terrible newspaper.
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Corrik posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Corrik posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Corrik posted...

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/25/evergreen-state-students-demand-professor-resign-f/

This is stuff the Left does and then will argue that if you defend the legitimacy of the Confederate Battle Flag as a historical icon that you are racist.

There is too much: It is my way or you are this "label" that goes on imo.

No, this is not stuff "the left" does. This is stuff that fucking brainless morons do. The ratio of all liberals to people like that is probably about the same as the ratio of all Muslims to legit initiated isis members.

Apply what I linked to here to what people on this board do. It is a very smooth comparison.

You have some levelheaded Left here. And you have Far Left who continually label, berate, insult, demand users leave and so on whenever they disagree with them.

And, the problem is. The levelheaded left. Or the Center Left Professor in the article tend to not berate the Far Left befause they are furthering their own ideas and become bystanders to it. Thus, we generally just do not care to discuss with them at all.

Even back in TES3, I don't recall ever reading a post of yours where you weren't playing the victim. Your M.O. has more application than anything anyone could link. I know why I left, I know why I came back. I know why I haven't left again. You're asking me to misread what goes on and I'm not going to do that. With both left and right contingencies on this board, I've seen the attitudes and perspectives from as far back as nearly 15 years, before any sjw garbage movements took place... before "safe spaces," "buzzwords," "echo chambers," "microtriggers" and all these other terms were around.

The "far left" in the story and other similar stories like that Berkeley bullshit when people were blocking a building or whatever... I do not see that demographic here. You're trying to paint b8 liberals as such but I don't see any cause to buy into that. Perhaps the scope of what I see is just broader.

Do what we say or you are racist student liberals vs think how we think or you are racist Board 8 Liberals.

Guess maybe I just find that comparison way too easy to make.

Well you are certainly finding something to be something but I dont know what you're even on about here :P. You apparently can't even send to the right host *shrugs*
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NFUN posted...

The Washington Times is a terrible newspaper.

So that is your only response?
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People might be avoiding it because it is only slightly more grounded in reality than WND.

Stupid extremists are stupid is my response to what I'm assuming the article is saying.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/05/26/professor-told-hes-not-safe-on-campus-after-college-protests-at-evergreen-state-university-washington/

Prefer Dailycaller? What you prefer?
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Corrik are you expecting anyone at all to defend the shit for brains sjw lunatics who are calling for the professor's blood? No one is going to because not even the most extreme leftist on b8 would side that way.
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allegedly “anti-black” professor after he objected to a school-sanctioned event calling for whites to leave campus for the day.

According to Evergreen State College’s description of the Day of Absence and Presence, the multi-day event is dedicated to “address current issues surrounding race at Evergreen and beyond.”

The details of the Day of Absence instructs students to choose between attending events on campus, reserved for “people of color,” or to go off-campus if they identify as being from a “majority culture or white perspective.”

Evergreen State College’s student publication, the Cooper Point Journal, confirms that 2017 was the first year in which white students were told to leave campus because of their race.

Biology professor Bret Weinstein vocalized his opposition to the new Day of Absence plan in an email to the First Peoples Multicultural Advising Services Director Rashida Love.

Weinstein said his email was a “formal protest of this year’s structure” and that he “would encourage others to put phenotype aside and reject this new formulation,” as “one’s right to speak—or to be—must never be based on skin color.”








According to the College Board, Evergreen State College is 66 percent white.

Upset over Weinstein’s comments, students confronted him and called for him to resign.

“There is a difference between debate and dialectic,” Weinstein told the protesters.

“We don’t care what terms you want to speak on,” a student shouted back. “This is not about you. We are not speaking on terms, on terms of white privilege. This is not a discussion. You have lost that one.”

Another student said, “You said some racist shit. Can you apologize?” to which Weinstein replied that he did not say anything racist.

“I do not believe students of color are targeted in the sciences here, but maybe I misunderstand what you mean by targeted,” Weinstein continued, before protesters cursed. Weinstein continued, saying, “I do not believe that anybody on our faculty, with intent, specially targets students of color” before getting shouted down again.

Asked to resign, Weinstein stated definitively that he is not resigning.

After hearing Weinstein will not be resigning, students began chanting, “Hey-hey! Ho-ho! Bret Weinstein has got to go!” before marching.






A video taken by a student shows students screaming at a police officer reportedly during the march.






The Olympian reports on May 24, the day after the students protested Weinstein, hundreds of students surrounded Evergreen State College president George Bridges’ office to protest against alleged racism on campus.

Junior Halla Warmer told the Olympian, “It’s important. It’s necessary.”

“It’s life or death for us,” she added.

Freshman Shayna Clayton said, “This institution is really (messed) up and racist,” adding, “We shouldn’t have to deal with that.”

Protesters shouted things such as, “Hey-hey! Ho-ho! These racist teachers have got to go!”
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Again, corrik, are you suggesting that anyone here would actually side with those ruptured ovarian cysts?

Anyone who chants "hey hey, ho ho, __________" is a fucking joke.
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Extremists are shitheads. What other response do you want?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Again, corrik, are you suggesting that anyone here would actually side with those ruptured ovarian cysts?

Anyone who chants "hey hey, ho ho, __________" is a fucking joke.

it's such a lazy chant

if you only have like six real words to say maybe just don't chant
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What is even the point of that "day of absence"?

Like the point of that "day without women" a while back was to raise awareness of how important women are to the workforce.

Then is this one a call for respect for... white people? That doesn't seem like something white college liberals would want to do
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1. This is how some of you treat conservatives who try to discuss with you. And you rationalize it and do not see it.

2. This is real news. Important news. That is glossed over and none of you want to discuss because you are too up center with forever keeping a narrative running about things you dislike. For example, this is troubling behavior and one that has been happening slowly for awhile in America. Where the Left feels they are taught "to make change" and how they go about it. With threats to speakers, protests that turn violent, reverse segregation, etc. It is important.

Yet... you all wanna talk about if Donald Trump likes 2 scoops of ice cream.

Why would a conservative even wanna discuss here? It is all a Liberal Narrative with a set amount of posters who just label anyone who disagrees.


Not a single person here can even discuss this topic because it is not a good one for the left.

Where is this behavior originating from? It was led from somewhere. You think a whole college is mostly extremists? The answer likely lies in a very liberal college setting which is teaching students to act but not realizing not everyone knows how to PROPERLY act.
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DeepsPraw posted...

What is even the point of that "day of absence"?

Like the point of that "day without women" a while back was to raise awareness of how important women are to the workforce.

Then is this one a call for respect for... white people? That doesn't seem like something white college liberals would want to do

To show white privilege in some way supposedly.
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Corrik posted...

DeepsPraw posted...

What is even the point of that "day of absence"?

Like the point of that "day without women" a while back was to raise awareness of how important women are to the workforce.

Then is this one a call for respect for... white people? That doesn't seem like something white college liberals would want to do

To show white privilege in some way supposedly.

But how? My brain can't make the logical leap
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hate to break it to you corrik but tons of people post articles here with nobody responding. nobody is obligated to respond to the one you posted. i read it. don't know what you want me to say about it.

also jesus christ shut up about the ice cream thing already. like three users were laughing about it and that was it. literally nobody thought it was actually a big deal. the "OMG WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS" backlash has been going on 100 times longer than the actual ice cream discussion itself.
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That first link hit me with pop-ups hard and fast so I didn't get to the meat of it. Appreciate the follow-up link -- yeah, it's not the way to do it.

Don't get me wrong, it's interesting and worthwhile to see how small of a space society allows for minorities in many ways, but insisting white people don't go to class (even for a day) isn't ideal or good.

I think a better way to address that kind of point is to look at what's been done already. Check out some of the "Every single word spoken by a person of color in..." Youtube series if you like. Last Week Tonight and Master of None have good segments about having white people take minority acting roles, too. This is just the entertainment side of things, but I feel like those are effective and honest ways to show what's already been done without encouraging anybody to skip their education and still better themselves.

You can couple that with real stats on the color of people who lead top businesses, people in wealthy statuses...all that. I just don't think "skip a day more of class than minorities" is fair to white people who may or may not be allies in this issue.
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Not a single person here can even discuss this topic because it is not a good one for the left.

Where is this behavior originating from? It was led from somewhere. You think a whole college is mostly extremists? The answer likely lies in a very liberal college setting which is teaching students to act but not realizing not everyone knows how to PROPERLY act.

yeah they should be taught how to act in a not dumb way because this is dumb

we agree

what more do you want to discuss
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Founded in 1967, Evergreen was formed to be an experimental and non-traditional college.

actually, yeah, that whole college may be mostly extremists
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

hate to break it to you corrik but tons of people post articles here with nobody responding. nobody is obligated to respond to the one you posted. i read it. don't know what you want me to say about it.

also jesus christ shut up about the ice cream thing already. like three users were laughing about it and that was it. literally nobody thought it was actually a big deal. the "OMG WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THIS" backlash has been going on 100 times longer than the actual ice cream discussion itself.

Nope. You save the topics you said right? Pull it up. People were trying to psychoanalyze what this meant about his personality and how he was proven narcissistic because he liked two scoops. I will forever wonder what analysis would have been gleaned if he had sprinkles. = /
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Corrik posted...

For example, this is troubling behavior and one that has been happening slowly for awhile in America. Where the Left feels they are taught "to make change" and how they go about it. With threats to speakers, protests that turn violent, reverse segregation, etc. It is important.

And "this is why we lose."

I believe public sentiment and support (or lack thereof) generally works pretty well to "contain" leftist causes going over the edge. Take, for example, Trump happening. That resets the pins and causes leftists to re-evaluate the scope of their battles for equality.

The fact that none of us here are defending those students is a tiny example of that.
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Corrik posted...

People were trying to psychoanalyze what this meant about his personality and how he was proven narcissistic because he liked two scoops. I will forever wonder what analysis would have been gleaned if he had sprinkles. = /

even so, the notion that "lol all we want to talk about is donald trump liking two ice cream cones" is ridiculous. the vast majority of the stuff we talk about in this topic is a fucking big deal (trump inviting erdogan to the white house is a recent example).
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I don't think we were ignoring any urgently bigger news when we were face palming about the ice cream.

That was our topic for the night and yeah there was armchair psychoanalysis. I get that it's laughable and silly, but I don't think it came at the cost of better discussion.
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Honestly the only thing I found egregious about that dinner was that he explicitly had more than his guests had.

Like, screw presidency and politics for a moment, when you're a host, you treat your guests to the same (if not more) food than you're eating yourself. It's hospitality, something which has been as sacred as long as humanity has existed.

But it wasn't worth really fretting about. Honestly, people are acting liberals are outraged over the two scoops of ice cream, but if you want to really see outrage over food, look at how conservatives reacted to Obama using the "wrong" type of mustard.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik posted...

For example, this is troubling behavior and one that has been happening slowly for awhile in America. Where the Left feels they are taught "to make change" and how they go about it. With threats to speakers, protests that turn violent, reverse segregation, etc. It is important.

And "this is why we lose."

I believe public sentiment and support (or lack thereof) generally works pretty well to "contain" leftist causes going over the edge. Take, for example, Trump happening. That resets the pins and causes leftists to re-evaluate the scope of their battles for equality.

The fact that none of us here are defending those students is a tiny example of that.

I do not expect you to defend them. But, I also wonder how many of you if went to that college would be complicit by bystanding as it happened and implying support through allowing/ignoring/agreeing with it by not speaking out against it. As we see, this Left Professor did and the result he got.
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Corrik posted...

1. This is how some of you treat conservatives who try to discuss with you. And you rationalize it and do not see it.

2. This is real news. Important news. That is glossed over and none of you want to discuss because you are too up center with forever keeping a narrative running about things you dislike. For example, this is troubling behavior and one that has been happening slowly for awhile in America. Where the Left feels they are taught "to make change" and how they go about it. With threats to speakers, protests that turn violent, reverse segregation, etc. It is important.

Yet... you all wanna talk about if Donald Trump likes 2 scoops of ice cream.

Why would a conservative even wanna discuss here? It is all a Liberal Narrative with a set amount of posters who just label anyone who disagrees.


Not a single person here can even discuss this topic because it is not a good one for the left.

Where is this behavior originating from? It was led from somewhere. You think a whole college is mostly extremists? The answer likely lies in a very liberal college setting which is teaching students to act but not realizing not everyone knows how to PROPERLY act.

1. No it isn't. No one treats anyone here like that. You are just spouting "vote 4 weegee" nonsense again.

2. Of course it's real and important. You are 100% correct. Those people are jokes to everyone outside of their own echo chamber. Of course it is troubling. I didn't call them ruptured ovarian cysts endearingly. The problem is, you are using the exact same argument here might as well be word for word as leftists here use when talking about that Richard Spencer testicle tumor and his alt-right white power brigade. One is not troubling and dangerous to society without the other being equally as troubling and dangerous to society.

I acknowledge that you are correct in point #2 completely, and I would very much like your acknowledgment of my bolded statement that the parallel behavior on the opposite side of the coin is equally bad...

Only I don't think anyone here would legitimately disagree with me on that. I think anyone on either side would agree that both problematic patterns are horrendous. I do not believe there is a liberal on this board who would argue against my bolded statement, but there may be conservatives on this board that have already argued against it before this Evergreen incident, back in the Spencer gym incident topic(s). I would have to check... but you can see the discrepancy in my confidence of people on each side...
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I wouldn't go a nonsense hippy college in the first place.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

I wouldn't go a nonsense hippy college in the first place.

Welcome to a hypothetical lol
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Corrik posted...

I do not expect you to defend them. But, I also wonder how many of you if went to that college would be complicit by bystanding as it happened and implying support through allowing/ignoring/agreeing with it by not speaking out against it. As we see, this Left Professor did and the result he got.

Yeah I most likely would have completely stood on the sidelines because I'd be college-age and wouldn't have the foundation of beliefs I have now.

My college age political discourse was mostly "LOL Bush"
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Is Oklahoma a nonsense hippie college?
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Corrik posted...

MoogleKupo141 posted...

I wouldn't go a nonsense hippy college in the first place.

Welcome to a hypothetical lol

It's hard to answer because the version of me that would go to a nonsense hippy college is a very different person. He would probably support this because he would also be some kind of nonsense hippy.
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I expect students to be bystanders, especially if they don't agree. I expect professors to show up for class, whether they agree or not. Either way you go, nobody likes to be physically outnumbered so I get why standing up in times of turmoil is hard.
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actually, current real me would probably just go with it because I could never say no to a day off

I'd just stay home and play Persona and let the nonsense hippies have their fun
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

actually, current real me would probably just go with it because I could never say no to a day off

I'd just stay home and play Persona and let the nonsense hippies have their fun

Now flip it. They said all African Americans are to leave campus for Whites. How many of you bystand?
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If I was a student in that situation I would probably go to class, because if I'm paying for my education like hell I'm going to let someone else tell me I have to stay home.
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Speaking of nonsense hippies, there is a great game about flowers and love that should be played. It is called Undertale.
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College age me probably still bystands
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