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charmander6000 05/20/17 11:32:25 PM #101:	Change back is still change. Honestly, looking at a bunch of elections and referendum over the past few years one common thing I've seen is that people want change. Whether it's Brexit and Trump or Macron and Trudeau all of those things campaigned for change. Even the election in my province earlier this month had the Green party double in support (still 16% though) because they campaigned for change and now they potentially get to decide who governs due to a minority government. --- Best Year in Gaming - Today's Winner: 2001 Current Bracket Score: 45/52 <cite>charmander6000 posted [p:879503978] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>Change back is still change. Honestly, looking at a bunch of elections and referendum over the past few years one common thing I've seen is that people want change. Whether it's Brexit and Trump or Macron and Trudeau all of those things campaigned for change. Even the election in my province earlier this month had the Green party double in support (still 16% though) because they campaigned for change and now they potentially get to decide who governs due to a minority government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 05/20/17 11:33:10 PM #102:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADrtfAmLTo --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:879504023] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yADrtfAmLTo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 05/20/17 11:33:43 PM #103:	red sox 777 posted... My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product. is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case. --- For your SuperNiceDog. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:879504057] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product.</quote> is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/20/17 11:35:52 PM #104:	red sox 777 posted... My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product. Wouldn't they need proof that Trump was paying him for his services at the time of the memo? I don't believe he was. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:879504198] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product.</quote> Wouldn't they need proof that Trump was paying him for his services at the time of the memo? I don't believe he was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/20/17 11:37:57 PM #105:	MoogleKupo141 posted... red sox 777 posted... My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product. is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case. Without having read about it, that's probably the point of contention. And I'd say, that if Giuliani wrote him a legal memo giving legal advice, then he pretty clearly was acting as his attorney, at least for the purpose of preparing this memo, at least in my opinion. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:879504307] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product.</quote> is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case.</quote> Without having read about it, that's probably the point of contention. And I'd say, that if Giuliani wrote him a legal memo giving legal advice, then he pretty clearly was acting as his attorney, at least for the purpose of preparing this memo, at least in my opinion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/20/17 11:37:58 PM #106:	FFDragon posted... Wasn't the whole "point" of the ban to be for 90 days so Trump could get a better grasp on things coming in? It's well past the timeframe it was supposed to be in effect for, so what does it really matter at this point? Someone asked this once Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:879504309] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole "point" of the ban to be for 90 days so Trump could get a better grasp on things coming in? It's well past the timeframe it was supposed to be in effect for, so what does it really matter at this point?</quote> Someone asked this once Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/20/17 11:38:36 PM #107:	hahaha okay --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879504347] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>hahaha okay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/20/17 11:40:49 PM #108:	https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t." --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:879504441] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/20/17 11:41:59 PM #109:	red sox 777 posted... This was a change election. Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible. They figured, if someone is promising the moon, maybe we'll get a little bit of change. Hillary promised staying the course and was believed. She also got the most votes, but yeah sure "election of change". Maybe for the electors, I guess, or if you count states as people?? --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:879504501] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>This was a change election. Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible. They figured, if someone is promising the moon, maybe we'll get a little bit of change. Hillary promised staying the course and was believed.</quote> She also got the most votes, but yeah sure "election of change". Maybe for the electors, I guess, or if you count states as people??</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/20/17 11:46:09 PM #110:	Kenri posted... red sox 777 posted... This was a change election. Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible. They figured, if someone is promising the moon, maybe we'll get a little bit of change. Hillary promised staying the course and was believed. She also got the most votes, but yeah sure "election of change". Maybe for the electors, I guess, or if you count states as people?? If corporations are people, then states definitely are. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:879504730] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kenri posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>This was a change election. Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible. They figured, if someone is promising the moon, maybe we'll get a little bit of change. Hillary promised staying the course and was believed.</quote> She also got the most votes, but yeah sure "election of change". Maybe for the electors, I guess, or if you count states as people??</quote> If corporations are people, then states definitely are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/20/17 11:46:23 PM #111:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t." I love the one response comment Did you look into the Hillary campaign and her donors. I think not. Haven't you people done enough. When you look into the Clinton uranium giveaway, all the money given to Bill while she was Secretary and the removal of thousands of emails while destroying computers. I suggest you read "1984". I have never seen this site before, though, so I'm not going to blindly believe until I dig more into those links to see if they support what the article says. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:879504740] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t."</quote> I love the one response comment <quote>Did you look into the Hillary campaign and her donors. I think not. Haven't you people done enough. When you look into the Clinton uranium giveaway, all the money given to Bill while she was Secretary and the removal of thousands of emails while destroying computers. I suggest you read "1984".</quote> I have never seen this site before, though, so I'm not going to blindly believe until I dig more into those links to see if they support what the article says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/20/17 11:47:33 PM #112:	red sox 777 posted... If corporations are people, then states definitely are. So they aren't, then? --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:879504807] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>If corporations are people, then states definitely are.</quote> So they aren't, then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/20/17 11:53:24 PM #113:	The US Supreme Court said corporations are people for some legal purposes. I think there's never been any question that states are legally persons - actually they are superpersons, in that they have some sovereignty (the characteristic of the King in common law). --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:879505119] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>The US Supreme Court said corporations are people for some legal purposes. I think there's never been any question that states are legally persons - actually they are superpersons, in that they have some sovereignty (the characteristic of the King in common law).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown_voter 05/20/17 11:54:45 PM #114:	I have talked to tons of voters who picked Trump just because they figured "something had to change", not even naming specifics. I have said this millions of times, but most people do not care/know anything about policies or details. They just want someone they feel is gonna change things or who they can relate to. Running any campaign on "this is fine, we'll tweak it" is a mistake, strategically, unless people are extremely satisfied and happy. I have literally talked to people that voted Trump just because they thought it would be a middle finger to people telling us things are fine. it needs to be understood that voters are not logical, not happy, and not informed. and that the reason for this is cultural, by design, and purposeful. angry, ignorant reactionaries who just keep waffling between two center-right parties expecting a change is perfect for those that benefit from nothing changing. Obama promised big changes, won popular support, and...absolutely did not change Washington whatsoever and was just another neolib. Trump promised to drain the swamp, and then filled his staff with swamp people, and has been largely just a much more incompetent neo-con administration. The desire for change is real, but our system is by design extremely averse to change. <cite>Unknown_voter posted [p:879505182] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I have talked to tons of voters who picked Trump just because they figured "something had to change", not even naming specifics. I have said this millions of times, but most people do not care/know anything about policies or details. They just want someone they feel is gonna change things or who they can relate to. Running any campaign on "this is fine, we'll tweak it" is a mistake, strategically, unless people are extremely satisfied and happy. I have literally talked to people that voted Trump just because they thought it would be a middle finger to people telling us things are fine. it needs to be understood that voters are not logical, not happy, and not informed. and that the reason for this is cultural, by design, and purposeful. angry, ignorant reactionaries who just keep waffling between two center-right parties expecting a change is perfect for those that benefit from nothing changing. Obama promised big changes, won popular support, and...absolutely did not change Washington whatsoever and was just another neolib. Trump promised to drain the swamp, and then filled his staff with swamp people, and has been largely just a much more incompetent neo-con administration. The desire for change is real, but our system is by design extremely averse to change.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/20/17 11:56:24 PM #115:	sure then i guess your argument is right and all it took was redefining everything involved until it supported your preexisting conclusions --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:879505269] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>sure then i guess your argument is right and all it took was redefining everything involved until it supported your preexisting conclusions</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/20/17 11:58:40 PM #116:	I redefined nothing. My arguments are based on the actual electoral laws in place in the United States. The national popular vote has always been meaningless in the United States. Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:879505394] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I redefined nothing. My arguments are based on the actual electoral laws in place in the United States. The national popular vote has always been meaningless in the United States. Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/20/17 11:59:33 PM #117:	Jakyl25 posted... FFDragon posted... Wasn't the whole "point" of the ban to be for 90 days so Trump could get a better grasp on things coming in? It's well past the timeframe it was supposed to be in effect for, so what does it really matter at this point? Someone asked this once Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever Or busy specifically not fighting it in court, as the case may be. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:879505424] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the whole "point" of the ban to be for 90 days so Trump could get a better grasp on things coming in? It's well past the timeframe it was supposed to be in effect for, so what does it really matter at this point?</quote> Someone asked this once Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever</quote> Or busy specifically not fighting it in court, as the case may be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mega Mana 05/21/17 12:00:49 AM #118:	Weird thought of the night: This presidency feels a lot like the lead-up to 2015's Fantastic Four. I don't know how to really put it into words since I'm half-asleep right now, but from Jakyl25 posted... Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever reminds me of Trank's 'You should've seen the movie we had before Fox edited it to death' along with all the just insanely stupid things they did in the movie for no reason thinking "Oh, it'll all work out fine." And the hype machine behind it grinding further and further into the abyss with new stories coming out every week or so about some new crazy thing happening behind the scenes.... just feels somewhat familiar. I'm going back to sleep. --- "If you've been in the Rumble all this time, you must be really tired." - Adam Rose to Curtis Axel Amana <cite>Mega Mana posted [p:879505480] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>Weird thought of the night: This presidency feels a lot like the lead-up to 2015's Fantastic Four. I don't know how to really put it into words since I'm half-asleep right now, but from <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Spicer said that none of the work intended to be done in the 90 days could be accomplished while they are busy fighting it in court. Whatever</quote> reminds me of Trank's 'You should've seen the movie we had before Fox edited it to death' along with all the just insanely stupid things they did in the movie for no reason thinking "Oh, it'll all work out fine." And the hype machine behind it grinding further and further into the abyss with new stories coming out every week or so about some new crazy thing happening behind the scenes.... just feels somewhat familiar. I'm going back to sleep.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 12:01:05 AM #119:	red sox 777 posted... Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing. Then perhaps the problem is that it does count for nothing, and that is something that we should fix. After all, what's happening is that some people's votes count more than others, in less populated states that happen to have a large volume. This might be a democratic republic, but the democracy is limited by a system that seems designed to give more voting power to less dense states. Thus, it is an unbalanced democracy. --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879505495] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing.</quote> Then perhaps the problem is that it does count for nothing, and that is something that we should fix. After all, what's happening is that some people's votes count more than others, in less populated states that happen to have a large volume. This might be a democratic republic, but the democracy is limited by a system that seems designed to give more voting power to less dense states. Thus, it is an unbalanced democracy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/21/17 12:02:36 AM #120:	red sox 777 posted... I redefined nothing. My arguments are based on the actual electoral laws in place in the United States. The national popular vote has always been meaningless in the United States. Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing. sure buddy keep in mind you started here: red sox 777 posted... Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible. and ended up arguing that what you actually meant was not voters but nonsentient, nonvoting, legally created "superpersons" that nevertheless have wants and beliefs, somehow --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:879505578] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I redefined nothing. My arguments are based on the actual electoral laws in place in the United States. The national popular vote has always been meaningless in the United States. Your attempt to tie importance to this statistic does not change the fact that it counts for nothing.</quote> sure buddy keep in mind you started here: <cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Voters didn't want nuance, they wanted to believe that some change is possible.</quote> and ended up arguing that what you actually meant was not voters but nonsentient, nonvoting, legally created "superpersons" that nevertheless have wants and beliefs, somehow</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 05/21/17 12:21:45 AM #121:	I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:879506412] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 12:23:34 AM #122:	red sox 777 posted... I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters. And this system is not a good system of democracy. --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879506492] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters.</quote> And this system is not a good system of democracy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 05/21/17 12:28:40 AM #123:	red sox 777 posted... MoogleKupo141 posted... red sox 777 posted... My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product. is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case. Without having read about it, that's probably the point of contention. And I'd say, that if Giuliani wrote him a legal memo giving legal advice, then he pretty clearly was acting as his attorney, at least for the purpose of preparing this memo, at least in my opinion. Giving legal advice does not automatically constitute one as a client. If there was nothing formal saying Giuliani was hired as his attorney, then it's not privileged. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:879506699] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MoogleKupo141 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is the judge's order to turn over the memo will be overturned on appeal. Giuliani's an attorney right? Sounds like fairly standard privileged and confidential attorney/client communications/work product.</quote> is everything you say to someone who happens to be a lawyer privileged? I would think there would have to be a clearly defined lawyer/client relationship and also would guess there isn't such a thing in this case.</quote> Without having read about it, that's probably the point of contention. And I'd say, that if Giuliani wrote him a legal memo giving legal advice, then he pretty clearly was acting as his attorney, at least for the purpose of preparing this memo, at least in my opinion.</quote> Giving legal advice does not automatically constitute one as a client. If there was nothing formal saying Giuliani was hired as his attorney, then it's not privileged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/21/17 12:40:36 AM #124:	Sorry, it wasn't Spicer that said what I said earlier, it was acting solicitor general Jeffery Wall to a judge in the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals earlier this month The judges also asked Wall if the administration has been able to review the vetting procedures since Trump issued the first travel ban in late January. "What we have been doing since January 27 is just litigating this order," Wall replied. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:879507204] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>Sorry, it wasn't Spicer that said what I said earlier, it was acting solicitor general Jeffery Wall to a judge in the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals earlier this month <quote>The judges also asked Wall if the administration has been able to review the vetting procedures since Trump issued the first travel ban in late January. "What we have been doing since January 27 is just litigating this order," Wall replied.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 05/21/17 12:41:37 AM #125:	red sox 777 posted... I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters. this was the election of voting for berny sanders because a minority of voters wrote in his name and misspelled it --- The gurus prayed, but the prayer was absorbed by DpObliVion. <cite>Kenri posted [p:879507252] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters.</quote> this was the election of voting for berny sanders because a minority of voters wrote in his name and misspelled it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/21/17 1:32:54 AM #126:	red sox 777 posted... I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters. Yeah, okay, I'm going to stop you here and just laugh at you for this crap. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:879509305] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I said voters. Voters in the states create the wills of those states. I never said the majority of voters.</quote> Yeah, okay, I'm going to stop you here and just laugh at you for this crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 5:39:19 AM #127:	http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones? --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879515037] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 05/21/17 6:02:17 AM #128:	BowserCuffs posted... http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones? Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated! --- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:879515368] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones?</quote> Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 6:50:57 AM #129:	SovietOmega posted... BowserCuffs posted... http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones? Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated! Bruh, if you don't know why threatening to lynch a black man is racist, you need to study up on history. But then I'm hoping that you're just screwing with me to begin with. --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879516146] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>SovietOmega posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones?</quote> Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated!</quote> Bruh, if you don't know why threatening to lynch a black man is racist, you need to study up on history. But then I'm hoping that you're just screwing with me to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/21/17 6:53:14 AM #130:	The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead). --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:879516182] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 05/21/17 7:25:44 AM #131:	BowserCuffs posted... SovietOmega posted... BowserCuffs posted... http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones? Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated! Bruh, if you don't know why threatening to lynch a black man is racist, you need to study up on history. But then I'm hoping that you're just screwing with me to begin with. Relax, I'm on your side. I just wanted to see if I could possibly make any defense of their actions. --- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:879516728] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SovietOmega posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>http://www.snopes.com/2017/05/21/callers-threaten-texas-lawmaker-seeks-trump-impeachment/ Texas Lawmaker Al Green, who is black, has been threatened with lynchings over his seeking the impeachment of Trump. Remind me again how Democrats are the real racists and the truly violent ones?</quote> Lynching will kill you regardless of if you are black or white. In fact, in these times of scarcity when we are struggling to get the appropriate poisons for death row inmates, lynching might be the most economical solution. These are clearly a group of forward thinking individuals, and their actions should be celebrated!</quote> Bruh, if you don't know why threatening to lynch a black man is racist, you need to study up on history. But then I'm hoping that you're just screwing with me to begin with.</quote> Relax, I'm on your side. I just wanted to see if I could possibly make any defense of their actions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 05/21/17 9:00:57 AM #132:	I'm pretty damn sure no regular would seriously defend the act of lynchings on this board. Maybe half-heated fake news/conspiracy claims, but not actual lynch defenses. --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:879518796] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty damn sure no regular would seriously defend the act of lynchings on this board. Maybe half-heated fake news/conspiracy claims, but not actual lynch defenses.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 05/21/17 9:43:53 AM #133:	I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break --- Ralliers' determination can't even hold a birthday candle to the blazing flame of DpOblivion's winning spirit! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:879520011] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 05/21/17 9:50:28 AM #134:	trump will convert to Islam and say he should've converted years ago, that way he'd never have had a problem with divorce. (or pussy grabbing.) --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:879520214] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>trump will convert to Islam and say he should've converted years ago, that way he'd never have had a problem with divorce. (or pussy grabbing.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trdl23 05/21/17 10:18:58 AM #135:	LordoftheMorons posted... The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead). Unlikely considering the TPP was meant to be a strategic counter to China in the first place. --- E come vivo? Vivo! <cite>trdl23 posted [p:879521171] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead).</quote> Unlikely considering the TPP was meant to be a strategic counter to China in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/21/17 10:19:40 AM #136:	trdl23 posted... LordoftheMorons posted... The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead). Unlikely considering the TPP was meant to be a strategic counter to China in the first place. Sort of. China can potentially take control of the whole thing and invert it as a counter to, say, America. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:879521196] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>trdl23 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The other countries involved in the TPP are looking in to doing the deal without the US: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apec-vietnam-tpp-idUSKCN18H012 Another decision we're likely going to be regretting for quite a while (especially if they pull in China instead).</quote> Unlikely considering the TPP was meant to be a strategic counter to China in the first place.</quote> Sort of. China can potentially take control of the whole thing and invert it as a counter to, say, America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 05/21/17 11:18:43 AM #137:	LordoftheMorons posted... I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break It was slow last weekend and started right back up on Monday. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:879523444] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break</quote> It was slow last weekend and started right back up on Monday.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 05/21/17 11:20:50 AM #138:	Yeah leakers need downtime too! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:879523527] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>Yeah leakers need downtime too!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/21/17 11:24:43 AM #139:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t." I'm surprised this isn't getting more commentary, this is huge. Trump could have potentially been laundering money through his campaign. LordoftheMorons posted... I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break See above <_< --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:879523677] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/05/fec-is-on-the-job-with-messy-2016-reporting-by-trump/ "The Trump campaign's filings are full of illegal corporate contributions, donations over the $2,700-per-election limit, anonymous gifts, double-counting, and totals that should match but don’t."</quote> I'm surprised this isn't getting more commentary, this is huge. Trump could have potentially been laundering money through his campaign. <cite>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>I have to say, going through 24 hours without a new bombshell is starting to give me withdrawal I keep checking the news expecting some crazy story to break</quote> See above <_<</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 05/21/17 11:42:34 AM #140:	We already knew that stuff was happening though. I'll care more if he gets charged for it, which I'm not expecting. Rich people are never charged over stealing money except in extreme circumstances (Bernie Madoff). --- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:879524427] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>We already knew that stuff was happening though. I'll care more if he gets charged for it, which I'm not expecting. Rich people are never charged over stealing money except in extreme circumstances (Bernie Madoff).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 05/21/17 12:09:06 PM #141:	Wanglicious posted... trump will convert to Islam and say he should've converted years ago, that way he'd never have had a problem with divorce. (or pussy grabbing.) I am going to be extremely displeased if this fails to actually happen. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:879525499] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>trump will convert to Islam and say he should've converted years ago, that way he'd never have had a problem with divorce. (or pussy grabbing.)</quote> I am going to be extremely displeased if this fails to actually happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaRRicH 05/21/17 1:38:11 PM #142:	I'll find the Open Secrets link's news more important with more sites supporting the news. I can believe it, but I don't know that source site like that so I'm waiting for more news on it and being more cautious for now. --- Brought to you by GameFlux Free GameFAQs app on Google Play! <cite>HaRRicH posted [p:879529809] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>I'll find the Open Secrets link's news more important with more sites supporting the news. I can believe it, but I don't know that source site like that so I'm waiting for more news on it and being more cautious for now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 05/21/17 2:27:48 PM #143:	https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/675523728055410689 Trump criticizes Trump is becoming one of my favorite things. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:879532511] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/675523728055410689 Trump criticizes Trump is becoming one of my favorite things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 05/21/17 2:32:31 PM #144:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Trump could have potentially been laundering money through his campaign. Friendly reminder that the FBI literally raided a GOP-affiliated fundrasing/consulting office a week and a half ago <cite>Reg posted [p:879532741] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump could have potentially been laundering money through his campaign.</quote> Friendly reminder that the FBI literally raided a GOP-affiliated fundrasing/consulting office a week and a half ago</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 3:09:03 PM #145:	SovietOmega posted... Relax, I'm on your side. I just wanted to see if I could possibly make any defense of their actions. Sorry about that. Your argument was so close to actually sounding like something they would say that I was actually convinced. kevwaffles posted... I'm pretty damn sure no regular would seriously defend the act of lynchings on this board. Maybe half-heated fake news/conspiracy claims, but not actual lynch defenses. I have seen far too many people justify worse things to be able to take solace in your statement :( --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879534468] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>SovietOmega posted...</cite> <quote>Relax, I'm on your side. I just wanted to see if I could possibly make any defense of their actions.</quote> Sorry about that. Your argument was so close to actually sounding like something they would say that I was actually convinced. <cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty damn sure no regular would seriously defend the act of lynchings on this board. Maybe half-heated fake news/conspiracy claims, but not actual lynch defenses.</quote> I have seen far too many people justify worse things to be able to take solace in your statement :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 05/21/17 3:31:17 PM #146:	HaRRicH posted... I'll find the Open Secrets link's news more important with more sites supporting the news. I can believe it, but I don't know that source site like that so I'm waiting for more news on it and being more cautious for now. How do you guys not know what Open Secrets is? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Responsive_Politics It's a nonpartisan group that was founded by two US senators, a Democrat AND a Republican, has been around for years, has been used in this very topic series as source for funding citations, and is very reputable. And it's not flashy or exciting like Russia, so this shit doesn't get picked up by the news. Hell, as Reg pointed out, a GOP fundraising office was raided recently, how many hours of "support" do you think that story got? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:879535585] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaRRicH posted...</cite> <quote>I'll find the Open Secrets link's news more important with more sites supporting the news. I can believe it, but I don't know that source site like that so I'm waiting for more news on it and being more cautious for now.</quote> How do you guys not know what Open Secrets is? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Responsive_Politics It's a nonpartisan group that was founded by two US senators, a Democrat AND a Republican, has been around for years, has been used in this very topic series as source for funding citations, and is very reputable. And it's not flashy or exciting like Russia, so this shit doesn't get picked up by the news. Hell, as Reg pointed out, a GOP fundraising office was raided recently, how many hours of "support" do you think that story got?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 05/21/17 3:35:03 PM #147:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Hell, as Reg pointed out, a GOP fundraising office was raided recently, how many hours of "support" do you think that story got? Not as much as it should've because like five other things happened that day <cite>Reg posted [p:879535775] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Hell, as Reg pointed out, a GOP fundraising office was raided recently, how many hours of "support" do you think that story got?</quote> Not as much as it should've because like five other things happened that day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BowserCuffs 05/21/17 3:45:54 PM #148:	So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism? --- Everyone's best is different. You can't always be the best, but you can always do your best. <cite>BowserCuffs posted [p:879536377] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote>So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SupremeZero 05/21/17 3:47:20 PM #149:	BowserCuffs posted... So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism? To be fair, most of wikileaks tends to have morals. It's pretty much just Assange himself who's a shithead, and people tend to equate ALL of wikileaks as being him. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope <cite>SupremeZero posted [p:879536446] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism?</quote> To be fair, most of wikileaks tends to have morals. It's pretty much just Assange himself who's a shithead, and people tend to equate ALL of wikileaks as being him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 05/21/17 3:53:01 PM #150:	BowserCuffs posted... So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism? IIRC FEC data is all public anyways so it's more like they're making it easily accessible <cite>Reg posted [p:879536743] in Politics C... [t:75365799]...</cite> <quote><cite>BowserCuffs posted...</cite> <quote>So basically it's like WikiLeaks only with actual morals and less conspiracy theorism?</quote> IIRC FEC data is all public anyways so it's more like they're making it easily accessible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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