Board 8 > Mass Effect reportedly on hiatus after BioWare Montreal is downsized.

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iiicon
05/10/17 3:49:41 PM
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http://kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285

It sounds like a lot of staff are being moved around, with some going to EA Motive (who are staffing up big time as they're working on their own open world game in addition to the Battlefront 2 single-player campaign) and others working as support for other BioWare games. This wasn't unexpected, but man, this still feels off.
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redrocket_pub
05/10/17 3:51:29 PM
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Just one step closer to the Crash.
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voltch
05/10/17 3:51:39 PM
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RIP bioware when
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JDPizza
05/10/17 3:51:54 PM
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Congrats on successfully censoring Mass Effect, GamerGate. >_>
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Jakyl25
05/10/17 3:54:44 PM
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They hiatus because they iain't us
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iiicon
05/10/17 3:57:53 PM
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voltch posted...
RIP bioware when

Well BioWare Edmonton are working on a Destiny-like game due before April 2019, and a new Dragon Age game from the same team that did Inquisition, and BioWare Austin are still working on SWTOR, so this isn't a real concern.
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scarletspeed7
05/10/17 4:00:06 PM
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I'm okay with no more Mass Effect for the time being, and I'm saying this as a huge fan of the series.
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SupremeZero
05/10/17 4:00:07 PM
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Bye Bioware and all Bioware properties.
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BowserCuffs
05/10/17 4:01:08 PM
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JDPizza posted...
Congrats on successfully censoring Mass Effect, GamerGate. >_>


As much as I love giving Gamergate shit for the brainwashed hypocrisy, what do they have to do with this?
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swirIdude
05/10/17 4:04:44 PM
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BowserCuffs posted...
JDPizza posted...
Congrats on successfully censoring Mass Effect, GamerGate. >_>


As much as I love giving Gamergate shit for the brainwashed hypocrisy, what do they have to do with this?


At this point, JDTAY just sticks random words together into a sentence just to confuse us all. It's best not to ask.
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Metal_DK
05/10/17 4:05:08 PM
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redrocket_pub posted...
Just one step closer to the Crash.

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SupremeZero
05/10/17 4:05:29 PM
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swirIdude posted...
BowserCuffs posted...
JDPizza posted...
Congrats on successfully censoring Mass Effect, GamerGate. >_>


As much as I love giving Gamergate shit for the brainwashed hypocrisy, what do they have to do with this?


At this point, JDTAY just sticks random words together into a sentence just to attract attention from us all. It's best not to ask.

Fix'd
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:05:56 PM
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BowserCuffs posted...
As much as I love giving Gamergate shit for the brainwashed hypocrisy, what do they have to do with this?

that is what is affectionately known as a jdtay word pizza
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BowserCuffs
05/10/17 4:07:03 PM
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And here I was thinking he might have something insightful for once. Oh well.
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voltch
05/10/17 4:15:19 PM
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Oh right, Dragon Age games are still setting the standard in the genre.

How's Swotor? I played it last year with a mate, we kinda got bored, but the plot seemed pretty decent. I believe we only tried it out cos it was F2P.
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:17:55 PM
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voltch posted...
Oh right, Dragon Age games are still setting the standard in the genre.

That's correct, in a "don't do this again" kind of way.
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FFDragon
05/10/17 4:19:04 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
I'm okay with no more Mass Effect for the time being, and I'm saying this as a huge fan of the series.

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Jeff Zero
05/10/17 4:19:54 PM
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Yeah, this isn't surprising. Whatever happens next for the franchise, I don't think it'll be a straight-up Andromeda 2, and I don't think we'll hear about it until at least 2019. I suspect a four-to-five-year break for the franchise is upon us again, minus the usual (some Dark Horse comics, etc)
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scarletspeed7
05/10/17 4:20:20 PM
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iiicon posted...
voltch posted...
Oh right, Dragon Age games are still setting the standard in the genre.

That's correct, in a "don't do this again" kind of way.

Yeah because getting GotY nominations and awards while making buckets of profit on Inquisition definitely say, "We failed completely in our target goals" and not "Some random guy named icon doesn't like our series anyways, so who the fuck cares?"
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:24:37 PM
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Andromeda felt like a game from a team who really enjoy Mass Effect and understood what makes it tick, but had no idea what to do with it. It's fine, it has some great moments, it plays very well, but it doesn't lead anywhere, and the steps it took on the road to nowhere were far too similar to ones we'd already walked.

I'm ultimately glad it exists because it's lead to Catherynne Valente and N.K Jemisin working on Mass Effect novels.
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voltch
05/10/17 4:25:30 PM
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Icon is such a hipster, I bet he prefers Dragon's Dogma pffft
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/10/17 4:30:41 PM
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I think icon still enjoys Dragon Age regardless


Also I haven't played Andromeda yet, does it leave off on a huge cliffhanger that makes the implication of this news suck even more?
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:33:17 PM
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weird, you wouldn't expect someone who didn't like the game to rebuy it on PC after he spent 120 hours with it on PS4, then proceed to buy and complete the DLC in a replay a year after first completing the game
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voltch
05/10/17 4:37:58 PM
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So Icon, what you're saying, is that nearly 80% of players didn't enjoy the game enough to End the threat once and for all?
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Lightning Strikes
05/10/17 4:46:44 PM
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I'm mainly surprised they didn't just shut it down, but luckily this means people will keep their jobs.
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:48:35 PM
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voltch posted...
So Icon, what you're saying, is that nearly 80% of players didn't enjoy the game enough to End the threat once and for all?

It's not out of line with other long RPG completion rates.

In the run-up to Andromeda, BioWare were open about the mistakes they made with Inquisition, and how they'd taken criticism of Inquisition's structure to heart. They frequently commented about how flat side-quests were, or how their implementation of wide open areas was confusing and problematic.
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redrocket_pub
05/10/17 4:51:38 PM
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How bad did Andromeda actually do, sales wise?
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/10/17 4:52:09 PM
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like 2 people bought it
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iiicon
05/10/17 4:56:36 PM
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Andromeda was the 5th best-selling game on consoles in the US in the first quarter, behind RE7 and ahead of GTA V. In the UK, it's the 9th best selling game (physical) YTD. WRPGs on the scale of Mass Effect are expected to sell and review much better.
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voltch
05/10/17 5:03:52 PM
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On an average year, what's the cutoff ranking between success and disappointment for a game that had as much poured into it as Mass Effect?

Like should it be aiming for top 5? top 10? 20? I assume the top 2-3 spots for most years are out of reach because of stuff like CoD.
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ChaosTonyV4
05/10/17 5:07:00 PM
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So...no DLC?
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iiicon
05/10/17 5:17:28 PM
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The return depends on a lot of things, like dev time, publisher expectations, budget, etc, and a lot of this information is something we can only infer. But Andromeda was in development for 4 years, and sold less at launch than ME3 (so, less than 1.3M), and has poor word of mouth/reviews. It's less about where it places relative to the titles that year, and more about how much was invested in it vs. how it did compared to other genre titles. Skyrim and Fallout are massive games outside of everyone's reach, but something like The Witcher 3 did 10M+ and should conceivably be attainable for BioWare. Inquisition, which did well, didn't reach that, and Andromeda won't even reach Inquisition, so it's time to shut it down and chase the Destiny shared world train I guess.
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RPGlord95
05/10/17 5:33:37 PM
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Mass Effect is bad anyway.

Mass Effect is the JDTAY of games
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Jeff Zero
05/10/17 5:54:39 PM
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icon, where did you find the information on Andromeda's sales placement in the overall Q1? I follow NPD on GAF, and folks estimated US first-month sales were somewhere between 750k and 950k (what we know for sure is it's <1.3 million, of course) but I haven't seen Q1 overall reports.

iiicon posted...
so it's time to shut it down and chase the Destiny shared world train I guess.


Please let me have Dragon Age 4 first. Ahem, in a single-player style...
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Vlado
05/10/17 6:03:09 PM
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It's like when you shit on your audience to please SJWs who don't even play games, the market tears you a new one...

WOW! SO surprising!
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Bane_Of_Despair
05/10/17 6:04:10 PM
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Vlado posted...
It's like when you shit on your audience to please SJWs who don't even play games, the market tears you a new one...

WOW! SO surprising!

Haven't they been doing that since like ME2 though
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scarletspeed7
05/10/17 6:05:10 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Vlado posted...
It's like when you shit on your audience to please SJWs who don't even play games, the market tears you a new one...

WOW! SO surprising!

Haven't they been doing that since like ME2 though

Why did you respond to this
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MegamanX
05/10/17 6:05:28 PM
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RIP
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iiicon
05/10/17 6:41:32 PM
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Jeff Zero posted...
icon, where did you find the information on Andromeda's sales placement in the overall Q1? I follow NPD on GAF, and folks estimated US first-month sales were somewhere between 750k and 950k (what we know for sure is it's <1.3 million, of course) but I haven't seen Q1 overall reports.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234357809&postcount=432
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Jeff Zero
05/10/17 6:44:43 PM
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iiicon posted...
Jeff Zero posted...
icon, where did you find the information on Andromeda's sales placement in the overall Q1? I follow NPD on GAF, and folks estimated US first-month sales were somewhere between 750k and 950k (what we know for sure is it's <1.3 million, of course) but I haven't seen Q1 overall reports.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234357809&postcount=432


Oh. The same exact place I gather my data. GG, me.
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iiicon
05/10/17 6:46:13 PM
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haha, no worries - it was edited in after the fact, and I only knew about it because I think I saw it on the 3DS subreddit
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05/10/17 6:48:30 PM
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75322319/878744612

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