Current Events > Man physically assaulted and dragged off United flight by airport security

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ROD posted...

Look at this bullshit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DWIzMXYAElpam.jpg

They "apologize" for the overbook, not for beating up a passenger that did nothing wrong!

https://twitter.com/KateRoss_96/status/851415785394274304

you do realize airport security doesn't work for United

if Delta called airport security on you it would be the same guys

same for Southwest etc
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There is no way in Hell that United would have "randomly" selected a child to be pulled off that flight, and then used law enforcement to literally remove the child. They expected people to volunteer to leave, but I suspect Plan B would have been to remove someone least likely to resist. United booked their flight in error, and are just waiting for this to blow over when everyone moves on to the next controversy.
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ROD posted...

United_World posted...

I'm so sorry, guys.

underrated post

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darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Look at this bullshit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DWIzMXYAElpam.jpg

They "apologize" for the overbook, not for beating up a passenger that did nothing wrong!

https://twitter.com/KateRoss_96/status/851415785394274304

you do realize airport security doesn't work for United

if Delta called airport security on you it would be the same guys

same for Southwest etc

Yeah.

But security are not known for their finesse and soft touch, and you're supposed to call security on rogue passengers who are clearly an issue. Heck, security was not called on this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TM7CFpcQM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

and are just waiting for this to blow over when everyone moves on to the next controversy.

yes.

I guess big corp has caught up on this, their twitter response was very telling. Who knows, maybe after United's next fuck up they will tweet back "fuck off" and wait :/
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ROD posted...

Yeah.

But security are not known for their finesse and soft touch, and you're supposed to call security on rogue passengers who are clearly an issue. Heck, security was not called on this guy:

yes
United mistake was trying to remove the guy and thinking security necessary

still your post made it sound like United Employee beat the guy bloody which is not true, the airport security which I believe is just TSA agents did that
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Airport security is actually separate from TSA, TSA just screens passengers and bags,
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Antifar posted...

Semi-related story
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdonalds-for-the-right-to-sit-and-sit-and-sit.html

Should have them arrested for trespassing. Buying something isn't free license to sit all day and if you're asked to leave and don't it's trespassing.

ROD posted...

Look at this bullshit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DWIzMXYAElpam.jpg

They "apologize" for the overbook, not for beating up a passenger that did nothing wrong!

https://twitter.com/KateRoss_96/status/851415785394274304

"beat up" = forcibly moved a man breaking the law?
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why dey gotta pick on the asian?

darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Yeah.

But security are not known for their finesse and soft touch, and you're supposed to call security on rogue passengers who are clearly an issue. Heck, security was not called on this guy:

yes
United mistake was trying to remove the guy and thinking security necessary

still your post made it sound like United Employee beat the guy bloody which is not true, the airport security which I believe is just TSA agents did that

United's record is anything but stellar. They don't give a fuck anymore, and it's really dangerous. Here are some examples:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/14/united-port-scandal/87094180/#

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/united-airlines-corruption-christie/404341/
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Antifar posted...

Semi-related story
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdonalds-for-the-right-to-sit-and-sit-and-sit.html

Should have them arrested for trespassing. Buying something isn't free license to sit all day and if you're asked to leave and don't it's trespassing.

ROD posted...

Look at this bullshit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DWIzMXYAElpam.jpg

They "apologize" for the overbook, not for beating up a passenger that did nothing wrong!

https://twitter.com/KateRoss_96/status/851415785394274304

"beat up" = forcibly moved a man breaking the law?

are we talking about the asian doctor? The one that was siting on his chair and ended bleeding form the mouth and roughed up?
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ROD posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Yeah.

But security are not known for their finesse and soft touch, and you're supposed to call security on rogue passengers who are clearly an issue. Heck, security was not called on this guy:

yes
United mistake was trying to remove the guy and thinking security necessary

still your post made it sound like United Employee beat the guy bloody which is not true, the airport security which I believe is just TSA agents did that

United's record is anything but stellar. They don't give a fuck anymore, and it's really dangerous. Here are some examples:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/14/united-port-scandal/87094180/#

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/united-airlines-corruption-christie/404341/

Wow.

Actually I've flown with United a few times and had a couple of bad experiences with them personally too.
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Chicago police say the passenger fell and hit his head.
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ROD posted...

United's record is anything but stellar. They don't give a f*** anymore, and it's really dangerous. Here are some examples:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/07/14/united-port-scandal/87094180/#

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/09/united-airlines-corruption-christie/404341/

what this have to do with you equating airport security to working for United?

just clearing up facts doesn't mean they didn't make a huge blunder here, they did
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ROD posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Antifar posted...

Semi-related story
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdonalds-for-the-right-to-sit-and-sit-and-sit.html

Should have them arrested for trespassing. Buying something isn't free license to sit all day and if you're asked to leave and don't it's trespassing.

ROD posted...

Look at this bullshit:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9DWIzMXYAElpam.jpg

They "apologize" for the overbook, not for beating up a passenger that did nothing wrong!

https://twitter.com/KateRoss_96/status/851415785394274304

"beat up" = forcibly moved a man breaking the law?

are we talking about the asian doctor? The one that was siting on his chair and ended bleeding form the mouth and roughed up?

I believe we are. We're talking about the guy who was told he had to leave and refused and then was forced.

I've been bumped from and kicked off flights. I was never bloodied and always ended up at my destination quickly and usually with extra money or clothes or vouchers. You know why because I didn't break the law and resist.

I'm sure no one was trying hurt the guy but if you're resisting and struggling accidents happen. I'm 6'4'' 240 and have worked security at a hospital where forcibly removing people was a semi regular part of the job. It's not easy.

Now do I think it needed to come to this? No. With 99% of trespassers asking or threatening to call the cops works. I also normally called the cops over moving someone because fuck me getting hit for 20 an hour.

That said if I told you to leave or I'd help you out and you still didn't go then I moved them.

The man was trespassing and holding up everyone else and I understand them wanting him off quickly.

The policy sucks but legally they didn't do anything wrong.
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@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best
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Antifar posted...

Semi-related story
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/15/nyregion/fighting-a-mcdonalds-for-the-right-to-sit-and-sit-and-sit.html

Oh shit, that's one of my local McDonalds. It's extremely small and always packed. It's like a third of the size of regular ones. They really need to kick them out.

It's because Parsons and Northern is a huge intersection with lots of old people living right there wth several assisted living and rehab buildings nearby.

I just think they can't walk 4 blocks over to the huge Burger King or 3 more blocks for the other huge McDonalds.
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I still think they should have made an exception since he's a doctor with patients expecting him to be on time.
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ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

unfortunately this is seen as a service

just like gamefaqs can ban you for whatever reason the airline can actually ask you to leave the plane

they own the plane just like CBSi owns gamefaqs
just like your ISP can cancel your service whenever for whatever reason

yes he paid for the seat, but cj is correct
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ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

Yes. If the airline asks you to leave and you don't then it's trespassing. And don't make it seem like this was immediate. A flight attendant talked to him and he refused, the probably customer service, then security and when he had refused all of them they had security remove him and if he tripped or hit something resisting he brought it on himself.

I was similarly kicked off a flight. I went out talked to customer service and got on a direct flight, access to the United lounge, and they paid for a days clothing because our bags went with the original flight.

It was annoying and a shitty system but it's the rules. Guy should have just gone instead of being a prick.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Yes. If the airline asks you to leave and you don't then it's trespassing. And don't make it seem like this was immediate. A flight attendant talked to him and he refused, the probably customer service, then security and when he had refused all of them they had security remove him and if he tripped or hit something resisting he brought it on himself.

I was similarly kicked off a flight. I went out talked to customer service and got on a direct flight, access to the United lounge, and they paid for a days clothing because our bags went with the original flight.

It was annoying and a s***ty system but it's the rules. Guy should have just gone instead of being a prick.

The guy wasn't doing it to be a prick. He's a doctor and had patients he had to see in the morning at a hospital.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

Yes. If the airline asks you to leave and you don't then it's trespassing. And don't make it seem like this was immediate. A flight attendant talked to him and he refused, the probably customer service, then security and when he had refused all of them they had security remove him and if he tripped or hit something resisting he brought it on himself.

I was similarly kicked off a flight. I went out talked to customer service and got on a direct flight, access to the United lounge, and they paid for a days clothing because our bags went with the original flight.

It was annoying and a shitty system but it's the rules. Guy should have just gone instead of being a prick.

The only reason they were nice to you is because they knew they couldn't get away with it, thanks to guys like that "prick" who don't take all shit. If flight attendants decided to start kicking out passengers for fun and passengers said "thanks, m'am :) " and shuffled happily like a jigglypuff to the gate and then went to customer service ALL THE TIME then airlines would not feel compelled to give them lounge access and all that good stuff.

You're painting a picture where a flight attendant could decide she doesn't like your face and ask you to get the fuck out (probably with those words) and you'd have to comply. Like you said, you have no rights. Their plane, their rules.

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a shit, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to fuck off.
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ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

I think you're arguing for he wrong thing here. What the airlines did was in their policy, they're allowed to kick people off the plane for whatever reason, it's in the terms of agreement when you go and paid the ticket. So yes CJ is right that the companies did nothing wrong.

However, there's a difference between having the right to do something and not doing it because it creates bad PR. In this case, they had the right to do it but we the people have every right to be pissed at Delta for doing a shit job at it. Like I said in my example, SWA also had to boot people off the plane but the way they handled it was much better than the way Delta handled it. SWA just kept piling on incentives after incentives to get people to volunteer. So yes, the way SWA handled it, it cost them a lot of money in the short run but the long term gain is good PR. Delta was able to handle it the short term, but in the long run they suffer from bad PR.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

Yes. If the airline asks you to leave and you don't then it's trespassing. And don't make it seem like this was immediate. A flight attendant talked to him and he refused, the probably customer service, then security and when he had refused all of them they had security remove him and if he tripped or hit something resisting he brought it on himself.

I was similarly kicked off a flight. I went out talked to customer service and got on a direct flight, access to the United lounge, and they paid for a days clothing because our bags went with the original flight.

It was annoying and a shitty system but it's the rules. Guy should have just gone instead of being a prick.

He's going all out. Holy fuck.
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Lightsasori posted...

ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

I think you're arguing for he wrong thing here. What the airlines did was in their policy, they're allowed to kick people off the plane for whatever reason, it's in the terms of agreement when you go and paid the ticket. So yes CJ is right that the companies did nothing wrong.

However, there's a difference between having the right to do something and not doing it because it creates bad PR. In this case, they had the right to do it but we the people have every right to be pissed at Delta for doing a shit job at it. Like I said in my example, SWA also had to boot people off the plane but the way they handled it was much better than the way Delta handled it. SWA just kept piling on incentives after incentives to get people to volunteer. So yes, the way SWA handled it, it cost them a lot of money in the short run but the long term gain is good PR. Delta was able to handle it the short term, but in the long run they suffer from bad PR.

I mean, the rules exist, but they should be applied with common sense.

Ever heard those airport sound bytes that say "baggage is subject to inspection, damage and removal"? That's all they say, they play them all the time.

Imagine you're sitting at the gate and some airport guy says "I hate the Miami Dolphins and that is a dolphins bag" and proceeds to football kick the shit out of your bag, empty it in front of you and them dump it in the trash.

Technically, it's ok? I mean, it's baggage and Baggage is subject to damage and removal right? The recording and/or rules don't say "in very specific situations, for security reasons". But it's common sense.

Nobody could ever do any planning if they could truly get kicked out of their planes for random reasons all the time just because they have a funny face or whatnot
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ROD posted...

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a s***, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to f*** off.

the flight attendant doesn't own the plane or the company
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ROD posted...

You're painting a picture where a flight attendant could decide she doesn't like your face and ask you to get the fuck out (probably with those words) and you'd have to comply.

That point makes me want to know why exactly the airlines chose to remove the doctor. Was it based on his age, his sex or something like that? Of course United wouldn't outright admit to that, but a competent attorney would look into United's history and look for patterns that show discrimination or some other concern. I hope some media site continues to update this story.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a s***, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to f*** off.

the flight attendant doesn't own the plane or the company

I missed the part where the majority stockholder went to the plane personally to kick this guy out? It really seems you're just being on arguing with me because it's me :/
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ROD posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a s***, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to f*** off.

the flight attendant doesn't own the plane or the company

I missed the part where the majority stockholder went to the plane personally to kick this guy out? It really seems you're just being on arguing with me because it's me :/

you are using bad logic

a flight attendant would not get away with this

also to this guy getting kicked, it was not 1 flight attendant deciding this

a whole body of employees has to review this kind of thing, including the pilot


but to your illogical hyperbole, if the same flight attendant kicks you off multiple times for the lulz you can consult customer service or another flight attendant and you see it is as much their company as that other flight attendants and they wouldn't be happy about it
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Pepsi is real happy atm
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It's always funny when people come to the defense of these major corporations, as if they're the victims.

They don't give a shit about you or me and do not warrant anyone's sympathy when they do things like this.
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ROD posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

ROD posted...

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a s***, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to f*** off.

the flight attendant doesn't own the plane or the company

I missed the part where the majority stockholder went to the plane personally to kick this guy out? It really seems you're just being on arguing with me because it's me :/

That's rich coming from you. Why don't you gather some of your alts to agree with your trolling?
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ROD posted...

Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...

ROD posted...

@Cj_WlLL_VVlN ... wow. Just wow.

Ok guys, the doctor was a criminal and was dealt with accordingly. Remember, airline can randomly point at you and say "get out" and if you don' get the fuck out right there you're a criminal and deserve to get your face re-arranged :/

corporate stockholm syndrome at its best

Yes. If the airline asks you to leave and you don't then it's trespassing. And don't make it seem like this was immediate. A flight attendant talked to him and he refused, the probably customer service, then security and when he had refused all of them they had security remove him and if he tripped or hit something resisting he brought it on himself.

I was similarly kicked off a flight. I went out talked to customer service and got on a direct flight, access to the United lounge, and they paid for a days clothing because our bags went with the original flight.

It was annoying and a shitty system but it's the rules. Guy should have just gone instead of being a prick.

The only reason they were nice to you is because they knew they couldn't get away with it, thanks to guys like that "prick" who don't take all shit. If flight attendants decided to start kicking out passengers for fun and passengers said "thanks, m'am :) " and shuffled happily like a jigglypuff to the gate and then went to customer service ALL THE TIME then airlines would not feel compelled to give them lounge access and all that good stuff.

You're painting a picture where a flight attendant could decide she doesn't like your face and ask you to get the fuck out (probably with those words) and you'd have to comply. Like you said, you have no rights. Their plane, their rules.

Theoretically you could be re-booked 10 times and the same flight attendant could kick you out of the plane 10 times for the lulz. You're a nobody, you got no rights. Good luck getting home 10 days later.

See, theoretically it could happen. This is why giving united push back is important. They're already not giving a shit, imagine how little they'd care if we'd all flutter like jigglypuffs to the gate every time we're told to fuck off.

A) the reason they do this is because there are laws governing what airlines must do if you can't get on a flight. What they must refund what they must compensate etc.

B) there's also the loss of business. I've not flown with them after a few bad experiences. That said their rules and price point are obviously good enough that some still do. If people decided they didn't have a good enough service people wouldn't use them.

Due to weather I know it's been a cluster fuck the last week or so. We also don't know how it was handled. The guys a doctor. I think they should have moved on. Hell if they called for volunteers and said this guys a doctor and needs to be someplace I'd have volunteered my seat and I'm sure others would have too (depending on the circumstances, good chance he didn't need to be there).

That said if he had gotten off and talked to the desk they could have worked something out with him. Obviously you're not going to be flying when they tell you to get off. Working with them instead of refusing to leave would have worked out better for everyone.

It could have been handled much better but united was well within their rights.
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Most of the American based airlines are shit. United is easily one of the worst.

Oddly Alaska Airlines is my least favorite. NEVER had a good experience.
Naturally post 9/11, all airline employees act like they have some kind of power.
So I use all my resources I have to make sure I have a connection when their flights get delayed.
However, it usually means my luggage makes it back to Seattle 12 hours after I'm at home.
Luckily they deliver it to your door eventually.

One time I ran to catch a connecting flight and had no belt on because I wanted to clear security faster.
It was comical as fuck. Running while pulling up my pants the whole way.

Flying is no fun at all.
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DippinSauce posted...

It's always funny when people come to the defense of these major corporations, as if they're the victims.

They don't give a shit about you or me and do not warrant anyone's sympathy when they do things like this.

For me it was to the defense of the employees there that are just doing their job and painted our like villains. They were following policy and I've said it's a shitty system.
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-internet-says-united-airlines-controversy-couldve-been-avoided-if-only-they-had-some-pepsi/
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Thrillwell posted...

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-internet-says-united-airlines-controversy-couldve-been-avoided-if-only-they-had-some-pepsi/

The Pepsi ones are good, but my favorite reply to all this is from someone called TexasGuard:

"United Agent: Which one of you f-u-kkers will volunteer for Re-Accomodation ??"
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Literally at the airport right now, connecting thru O'Hare later.

Was already offered a voucher because the flight is overbooked.

FANTASTIC.
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What's happening now?
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DippinSauce posted...

It's always funny when people come to the defense of these major corporations, as if they're the victims.

They don't give a shit about you or me and do not warrant anyone's sympathy when they do things like this.

nobody is defending this
it is important to explain falsities however

1. united didn't send their own cronies to beat up the man, it was airport employees (airport is city owned, not private company)
2. united reserves the right to remove people from planes, it is legal, and they aren't the only airline who does
3. all the big airlines overbook, even the fan favorite delta and people get kicked from them sometimes too

kicking the guy off wasn't a good thing, but lets not make up lies just because we dislike United
the issue here is they shouldn't have removed a person because their employees needed on a plane, customers should take priority (they even have a system to guarantee employees have seats so this was a big mess up)
and if the guy was selected at random because no one would give up seat in other overbooked scenario, if he is doctor to see patients they should redo the random lot
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Meadzy posted...

Pepsi is real happy atm

lmao
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ROD posted...

Meadzy posted...

Pepsi is real happy atm

lmao

What did Pepsi do?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DippinSauce posted...

It's always funny when people come to the defense of these major corporations, as if they're the victims.

They don't give a shit about you or me and do not warrant anyone's sympathy when they do things like this.

nobody is defending this
it is important to explain falsities however

1. united didn't send their own cronies to beat up the man, it was airport employees (airport is city owned, not private company)
2. united reserves the right to remove people from planes, it is legal, and they aren't the only airline who does
3. all the big airlines overbook, even the fan favorite delta and people get kicked from them sometimes too

kicking the guy off wasn't a good thing, but lets not make up lies just because we dislike United
the issue here is they shouldn't have removed a person because their employees needed on a plane, customers should take priority (they even have a system to guarantee employees have seats so this was a big mess up)
and if the guy was selected at random because no one would give up seat in other overbooked scenario, if he is doctor to see patients they should redo the random lot

b-but united reserves the right to remove people from planes!
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"dammit bobbay, you assured me the asian was easy pickings! now lookit the mess we's in"
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still better than Frontier Airlines

Veggeta_MAX posted...

ROD posted...

Meadzy posted...

Pepsi is real happy atm

lmao

What did Pepsi do?

That Kendall Jenner ad (blown way out of proportion IMO)
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ROD posted...

That Kendall Jenner ad (blown way out of proportion IMO)

Oh that lmao. I didn't think much of it... I mean I get that people can get triggered by it but it's not like someone got dragged out of an airplane for no good reason at all.
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Don't know if its been posted yet but

*GRAPHIC VIDEO*
https://twitter.com/mikel_jollett/status/851501558235709440

He is a 69 year old Doctor bleeding from mouth and repeating "just kill me".

:(
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GoriIIa posted...

Don't know if its been posted yet but

*GRAPHIC VIDEO*

He is a 69 year old Doctor bleeding from mouth and repeating "just kill me".

:(

:(

I wanted to post it but theLoveFist marks everything I post so I couldn't. Most users would not get modded for it, so thanks for posting it.
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I would've shouted God is Great in Arabic and throat punched all 3 of those guards for assaulting that man