Current Events > California middle school has too many white students, will now lose funding

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http://www.dailynews.com/social-affairs/20170328/too-many-white-students-means-funding-cuts-for-desegregated-la-school-susan-shelley

Apparently since they're over 30% white now, they lose funding. Progressive!
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wat
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#JustCaliforniaThings
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I hope Trump does something to California
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Liberals are the most racist group with influence in modern America
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Fuckin cali
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I am all for helping out PoC, but punishing a school be being "too white" is just terrible.
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maybe now the right will care about school funding
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Iodine posted...

I am all for helping out PoC, but punishing a school be being "too white" is just terrible.

it's because minority students usually get a bad deal when it comes to resources because of redlining in school catchments

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/
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Balrog0 posted...

Iodine posted...

I am all for helping out PoC, but punishing a school be being "too white" is just terrible.

it's because minority students usually get a bad deal when it comes to resources because of redlining in school catchments

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/

Oh I agree, but man the situation provided in the OP isn't the way to go.
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Fuck that shit. Funding should be the last thing ever cut. Diverted to other districts maybe, but not cut.

From what I read this is based around old regulations that would provide extra funding to schools with predominately minority students. Now that it is "desegregated" the extra funds are gone. It also said that no one agrees with the regulations and thinks they should be changed

Does this regulation vary by district? I have never heard of this until now
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Absolutely disgusting.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

maybe now the right will care about school funding

And now the left won't. It is a hypocritical cycle.
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Maeiv posted...

Does this regulation vary by district? I have never heard of this until now

I think it's specific to this one district since it said this in the article

This is “based on District Court-Ordered Integration guidelines,” the principal wrote.

so is it the neighborhood got gentrified by rich tech white families making the school surge in white students and now the school loses funding?

hahaha
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Progressive left.

California needs some help. Turpentine is a good start. Can clean anything with turpentine.
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ChainedRedone posted...

Why should privileged kids deserve as much funding as underprivileged?

This is what California equality looks like
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Iodine posted...

I am all for helping out PoC, but punishing a school be being "too white" is just terrible.

They should check their privilege then
/liberal

ChainedRedone posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

so is it the neighborhood got gentrified by rich tech white families making the school surge in white students and now the school loses funding?

hahaha

Why should privileged kids deserve as much funding as underprivileged? Tell me that, white boy.

I know this is satire but there are people who actually think like this.
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Living in CA. I sincerely hope Trump does something to crush the liberals in this state.
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seems more like it's an old rule that they're looking into changing
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When did helping the needy go from actually helping them directly to just fucking over the less needy until everyone is equally screwed?
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s0nicfan posted...

When did helping the needy go from actually helping them directly to just fucking over the less needy until everyone is equally screwed?

Welcome to real-world Marxism.
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Even though "fuck white people" is the liberal motto...you're still shitting on the other ~70% that isn't white.
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Type of shit is the reason Trump is now president
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prince_leo posted...

seems more like it's an old rule that they're looking into changing

That's exactly what it is but the usual posters conveniently ignored this because it goes against their narrative

byron posted...

Hicks233 posted...

s0nicfan posted...

When did helping the needy go from actually helping them directly to just fucking over the less needy until everyone is equally screwed?

Welcome to real-world Marxism.

Welcome to real-world sp00ky buzzwords

So you think historical and current attempts at creating "equal" societies, saddled with inevitable dysfunction due to human nature with authoritarian control and rigid dogma are just buzzwords?
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what is the problem with this again?
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iron jojo posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

so is it the neighborhood got gentrified by rich tech white families making the school surge in white students and now the school loses funding?

hahaha

Why should privileged kids deserve as much funding as underprivileged? Tell me that, white boy.

I know this is satire but there are people who actually think like this.

I don't really get the issue

doing it based on minority status is arguably racist, but poor schools should get more money from the state than rich schools. rich schools have more of a local tax base from which to draw funds.

or you could argue that we shouldn't fund school districts, but just students directly. even then, shouldn't vouchers be progressive so poor students have a shot at better private schools?
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ity studentsAxiom posted...

prince_leo posted...

seems more like it's an old rule that they're looking into changing

That's exactly what it is but the usual posters conveniently ignored this because it goes against their narrative

I mean, some people are looking to change it.

From what I can tell, the issue isn't so much that the rule is old as it is very rare for a school that is more than 70% minority to become more white over time in Los Angeles lol

http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED246141.pdf

Basically, the existence of PHBAO programs was court ordered in response to the forced desegregation of schools. LA seems to have had some problems integrating sufficiently, so they reached an agreement wherein schools that were insufficiently integrated (the 70+% minority bar) instead had to receive some additional support, because separate isn't necessarily equal remember.

The fact that we haven't heard about this prior to now tells me either that racial rhetoric really is heating up in this country or, more likely, supermajority minority communities in L.A. have never been gentrified enough until now to face this problem. I'm betting on the latter but it's hard to tell without going through the history of LA between 1981 and now and I'm not doing that
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Wait. How is 30% too much?
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Principal Jeanne Gamba explained the situation in a March 13 letter. "Based on a final review by the Student Integration Services Office," she wrote, "Walter Reed MS will be exiting PHBAO (Predominantly Hispanic, Black, Asian and Other Non-Anglo) status next school year."

Gamba said "the data collected from the Fall Ethnic Survey Report" showed that over 30 percent of the school’s area-resident students are "other-white," and that means Reed will become "a Desegregated/Receiver school" for the 2017-2018 academic year.

I don't feel so bad about this when they could have personally gauged and surveyed their student population demographics for the incoming student year and held off admitting so many white students till they boost their other demographic populations. But really the PHBAO needs to be reworked to be income based. Its purpose of integrating students of color has been achieved already.
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Sad_Face posted...

I don't feel so bad about this when they could have personally gauged and surveyed their student population demographics for the incoming student year and held off admitting so many white students till they boost their other demographic populations. But really the PHBAO needs to be reworked to be income based. Its purpose of integrating students of color has been achieved already.

Isn't it a public school? I don't think they can actually do something like reject white kids to keep their demographics under control, and even if they could why would you ever suggest that?
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s0nicfan posted...

Sad_Face posted...

I don't feel so bad about this when they could have personally gauged and surveyed their student population demographics for the incoming student year and held off admitting so many white students till they boost their other demographic populations. But really the PHBAO needs to be reworked to be income based. Its purpose of integrating students of color has been achieved already.

Isn't it a public school? I don't think they can actually do something like reject white kids to keep their demographics under control, and even if they could why would you ever suggest that?

Correct, California schools are not allowed to select students by race, since we voted against that in the 90s.

Just change this funding type by socioeconomic status and the many of the criticism will change

That's an awkward way to word it. Reading more than a sentence of the article ppints out that it's more like they're losing the bonus funding that it previously qualified for on account of its demographics.

This is more like the effect of a policy than a decision that someone made on an individual case. In reality, it's the same thing though.
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Freddie_Mercury posted...

maybe now the right will care about school funding

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DevsBro posted...

That's an awkward way to word it. Reading more than a sentence of the article ppints out that it's more like they're losing the bonus funding that it previously qualified for on account of its demographics.

This is more like the effect of a policy than a decision that someone made on an individual case. In reality, it's the same thing though.

Correct but many of them did not read be article

Freddie_Mercury posted...

maybe now the right will care about school funding

This article just makes the argument for why the public school system is complete shit. The charter system would prevent this type of institutional racism, so I expect folks on the left will be championing it now.
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I love how the world's gone crazy. I only hope it implodes after I'm done living on it.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

DevsBro posted...

That's an awkward way to word it. Reading more than a sentence of the article ppints out that it's more like they're losing the bonus funding that it previously qualified for on account of its demographics.

This is more like the effect of a policy than a decision that someone made on an individual case. In reality, it's the same thing though.

Correct but many of them did not read be article

Still doesn't negate the fact that schools with statistically more white people will receive less funding than other schools based on the children's race alone.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Just change this funding type by socioeconomic status and the many of the criticism will change

This would basically fix all the problems in this instance.
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The Admiral posted...

Freddie_Mercury posted...

maybe now the right will care about school funding

This article just makes the argument for why the public school system is complete shit. The charter system would prevent this type of institutional racism, so I expect folks on the left will be championing it now.

It was an order from the court forcing integration that caused these minority schools to receive extra funding

A charter system would have avoided this by not needing to desegregate in the first place, because charters generally don't need to follow the regulations public schools do.

So do you have a problem with forced desegregation, the compromise the LA school district made due to an inability to sufficiently integrate, or both?
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CruelBuffalo posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Sad_Face posted...

I don't feel so bad about this when they could have personally gauged and surveyed their student population demographics for the incoming student year and held off admitting so many white students till they boost their other demographic populations. But really the PHBAO needs to be reworked to be income based. Its purpose of integrating students of color has been achieved already.

Isn't it a public school? I don't think they can actually do something like reject white kids to keep their demographics under control, and even if they could why would you ever suggest that?

Correct, California schools are not allowed to select students by race, since we voted against that in the 90s.

Just change this funding type by socioeconomic status and the many of the criticism will change

I initially said what I said because it's a grant that they no longer qualified for, one they had to reapply each year. They weren't losing funding, they were lost a privilege. If they wanted to keep it, they'd have to regulate the incoming student demographic since they don't have the authority to change the criteria for being approved for the PHBAO grant.

But since they can't regulate the student demographics, that's rough for them.
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Sad_Face posted...

But since they can't regulate the student demographics, that's rough for them.

they should have been able to forecast it, at least
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Balrog0 posted...

Sad_Face posted...

But since they can't regulate the student demographics, that's rough for them.

they should have been able to forecast it, at least

This is most likely a case of "not my job." I mean... who in a school administration would actually be tasked with tracking the demographics of the town and projecting out to determine if and when they would lose minority status?
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s0nicfan posted...

This is most likely a case of "not my job." I mean... who in a school administration would actually be tasked with tracking the demographics of the town and projecting out to determine if and when they would lose minority status?

You're not tracking down the demographics of the town, you're tracking down the demographics of your student population. And it's easy to do, you have all the records of your kids in file, electronically. 90% of the busywork is done, just pull up the statistics off of that. Substitute the graduating class for the maximum student class size feasible from the pool of incoming student applications, and remove students until you return the threshold for qualifying for the PHBAO grant, and then send acceptance letters after that. This is operating on the assumption that they can't discriminate which students to drop, so they'll have to randomly assign numbers or by order of application submitted, and then keep dropping a student from the max number.
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