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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:17:59 PM #101: |
alternatively, the emperor was totally wearing new clothes. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:19:01 PM #102: |
TheRock1525 posted...
I'm not citing the "..." as cut content or not, I'm talking about the Avatar(F)/Rhataj supports. um, my post was specifically about changing dialogue to "..." and I said that doing that makes you sound insane. then your response was "I guess I am insane then." how could I possibly think you were referring to anything else how could you possibly think I was referring to anything else the very first line in my post is MariaTaylor posted... I will saying that changing full lines of dialogue to "..." is a pretty hard position to defend --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:19:46 PM #103: |
Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support.
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:22:24 PM #104: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support. what does that discussion have to do with my post which you directly quoted and responded to? are you physically incapable of typing the statement "I misunderstood your post" --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:22:59 PM #105: |
Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there.
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:23:18 PM #106: |
MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support. I misunderstood your post then. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 03/26/17 10:24:12 PM #107: |
How much was changed with pickle guy?
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:24:31 PM #108: |
TheRock1525 posted...
I'm not citing the "..." as cut content or not, I'm talking about the Avatar(F)/Rhataj supports. TheRock1525 posted... I don't see changing dialogue as "cut content" if it still gets to the end result. you're stuck into a corner on that one too. it got to the same end result either way. though you could probably argue the "..." support as a change better than you can the f/f support since the latter is pretty cut and dry as something that was removed and replaced with the opposite sex support. at least the former is just a single support so you could argue it. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:25:45 PM #109: |
"..." isn't dialogue, though.
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:25:48 PM #110: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there. so you acknowledge that content was cut but you enjoyed the localization overall despite this fact this statement sounds eerily similar to a post that I made like 30 posts ago turns out there was no need to argue after all --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:26:05 PM #111: |
How much was changed with pickle guy? he was a dull, boring character in Japanese. fairly standard. pickle obsession was entirely a treehouse creation. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:27:58 PM #112: |
all you ever have to say to shut wang up is something like this
MariaTaylor posted... - the decision to cut dialogue in some instances was bad, but overall I still thought the localization was good it's literally that easy unless you're incapable of admitting that cut dialogue was cut or if you're incapable of accepting that you think something is good and wang thinks that thing is bad in which case the discussion will never end --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Huff n puff 20 03/26/17 10:28:21 PM #113: |
swordz9 posted...
How much was changed with pickle guy? Increase Pickles, decrease in all other relevant things. They took a tiny quirk from a single line and took that up to 11. Certainly not the worst change: it's more in line with what 8-4 did with Gregor (Generic, now Generic Russian) --- Imperial Force, Defied! Facing 500 Samurai! Surrounded and outnumbered, 60 to 1 the sword face the gun! Bushido dignified! It's the last stand of the samurai! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:28:51 PM #114: |
MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there. Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 03/26/17 10:29:10 PM #115: |
Anyone have links to some of the Japanese versions of the supports? Would be curious to see those.
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:29:53 PM #116: |
TheRock1525 posted...
Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization. okay. have fun arguing that content which was cut out of the game is not cut content. at the very least you might settle it before the heat death of the universe. --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:30:13 PM #117: |
TheRock1525 posted...
"..." isn't dialogue, though. the game considers it to be dialogue that gets you the support, so this shouldn't be a problem for you. that's your own logic. you used the game mechanics argument plenty of times so you can't just not-apply it now. MariaTaylor posted... all you ever have to say to shut wang up is something like this Wanglicious posted... Treehouse f***ed up. you enjoy the game anyway. these two are compatible. <___<; --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:31:21 PM #118: |
MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization. So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content? --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:31:23 PM #119: |
Wanglicious posted...
I know, right even wang says so clearly I know what I am talking about --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:33:30 PM #120: |
TheRock1525 posted...
So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content? believe me, this is not something I would ever argue about --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 03/26/17 10:34:35 PM #121: |
You're right wang, --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 03/26/17 10:35:01 PM #122: |
Imagine if they changed the swastika on Ichigo's sword into a square. The outrage!
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KommunistKoala 03/26/17 10:35:03 PM #123: |
Henry better in the US version true facts
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mnkboy907 03/26/17 10:35:28 PM #124: |
It seems pretty simple to me. The Japanese version has two scripts for that support. The English version has one script, used twice. One script was cut.
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Xiahou Shake 03/26/17 10:35:44 PM #125: |
I remember when we had topics like this twice a week back when Tokyo Mirage Sessions was coming out. That was a weird time. >_>
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:36:09 PM #126: |
KamikazePotato posted...
Anyone have links to some of the Japanese versions of the supports? Would be curious to see those. oh dammit, the serene forest thing is the same for both. here was the f/f one. http://pastebin.com/e5fpH6m6 the different tone she has is because she's also got a different personality. it's best seen with some of the lines she uses. USA: “I’ve got you right where I want you. And I’m never going to let you go…” JPN: ”…I love you. My feelings for you are stronger than any sort of curse… If you betray these feelings, I won’t forgive you… and it’s already too late for regrets.“ USA: “Have I told you lately that I love you? Good.” JPN: “I love you… No matter how many times I say it, it’s not enough… I love you. I really love you. …say, what about you, dear?” USA: “If you die before me, I’ll revive you myself. Just so I can kill you again!” JPN: “Don’t die and leave me behind… If that happened…I’d follow you into hell…” so... yeah. but there's the proper japanese support. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Huff n puff 20 03/26/17 10:36:53 PM #127: |
TheRock1525 posted...
MariaTaylor posted...TheRock1525 posted...Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization. Depends. Are there 2 symbols with totally different meanings used in different situations and the localization takes out one and replaces it with the other so that only 1 exists for both situations? If that's the case, cut. As a point, this is a false equivalence. A large block of unlockable dialogue in a game is not equal to a meaningless symbol or graphic in an anime. --- Imperial Force, Defied! Facing 500 Samurai! Surrounded and outnumbered, 60 to 1 the sword face the gun! Bushido dignified! It's the last stand of the samurai! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 10:41:00 PM #128: |
TheRock1525 posted...
well, we've seen this in games too - religious symbols getting changed, for examples. or anything to do with Hitler. i'd generally think that it's censored content but not really cut, just altered from the original due for political reasons. the same has been true of dirty language too. i don't like any of that stuff but i don't consider that cut - cut would be more outright removal. which could still be a form of censorship, and maybe that's what you've got here when you read just how lesbian the support gets, but yeah. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/26/17 10:49:57 PM #129: |
swordz9 posted...
Imagine if they changed the swastika on Ichigo's sword into a square. The outrage! nazis everywhere were alarmed to learn their hero had been turned into a square --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WhiteLens 03/26/17 10:56:13 PM #130: |
Oh wait....that happened. --- http://www.backloggery.com/whitelens | http://myanimelist.net/profile/WhiteLens Congrats to the last man standing in Guru, DpObliVion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akatsuki_ 03/26/17 11:18:11 PM #131: |
For all of the complaints about Fates' translation, the worst part is that they didn't even bother to finish translating all of the DLC for Fates while Awakening got all of its DLC translated.
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ChaosTonyV4 03/26/17 11:40:53 PM #132: |
This marks the 36th topic for Wang to rant about FE localizations again, lol.
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Mac Arrowny 03/26/17 11:53:29 PM #133: |
Wait, did someone in this topic imply that Atlus leaving honorifics in Persona untranslated isn't worse than anything in the Fates localization? Really?
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Wanglicious 03/26/17 11:57:33 PM #134: |
feel free to point the rant out.
hopefully not from behind the edit button where you're being a jackass. surprise as it may be, when a s***ty job's done, other people notice it too. but sure, it's totally just me. this is still a scummy as hell move by you though. ChaosTonyV4 posted... This marks the 36th topic for Wang to rant about FE localizations again, lol.
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Huff n puff 20 03/26/17 11:57:44 PM #135: |
Mac Arrowny posted...
Wait, did someone in this topic imply that Atlus leaving honorifics in Persona untranslated isn't worse than anything in the Fates localization? Really? Lazy is better than awful. --- Imperial Force, Defied! Facing 500 Samurai! Surrounded and outnumbered, 60 to 1 the sword face the gun! Bushido dignified! It's the last stand of the samurai! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 03/27/17 12:03:00 AM #136: |
Eh, the awful sounding honorifics are more painful to a native English speaker than anything in Fates.
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MariaTaylor 03/27/17 12:20:43 AM #137: |
mac-sama.... how could you....
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Paratroopa1 03/27/17 12:23:36 AM #138: |
I can accept the honorifics thing only if it's very pointedly a stylistic choice, and not because 'that's the right way to translate this', but even then I have deep reservations about it
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Kenri 03/27/17 12:28:19 AM #139: |
if you take the honorifics out it's cutting content tho
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ChaosTonyV4 03/27/17 4:56:32 AM #140: |
feel free to point the rant out. And don't sit here and act like you haven't argued about this a lot. --- Phantom Dust. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 03/27/17 5:03:40 AM #141: |
when did i act like that? of course i have, as have many of the other people in this topic. and all that's in this topic are arguments and facts of the game, not rants or anything close to one, by myself and by others.
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ChaosTonyV4 03/27/17 5:12:47 AM #142: |
I didn't hide s***, I thought the original post was too dismissive to you after I made it, so I changed it.
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Wanglicious 03/27/17 5:21:31 AM #143: |
<_< so you just totally expect people to read edited stuff?
because otherwise that sure sounds a lot like hiding. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 03/27/17 5:25:55 AM #144: |
I mean you're free to read edited posts, but the implication of an edit is that I didn't like the original post.
If by "hiding", you mean "changing", then I guess I did in the most literal sense. But I just explained why. --- Phantom Dust. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kinglicious 03/27/17 6:14:57 AM #145: |
Oh. Okay that's fair. My bad for jumping the gun, thought it was more malicious than that.
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swordz9 03/27/17 11:53:49 AM #146: |
So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material?
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Airship_Canon 03/27/17 12:06:31 PM #147: |
swordz9 posted...
So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material? There's no Avatar and the conversations are initiated on the battlefield ala GBA. Shipping is a maybe, kids are a no, and they better not allow anyone to separate Alm and Celica. --- Waifus are not gear adrift! Hooyarr! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SupremeZero 03/27/17 12:08:30 PM #148: |
Airship_Canon posted...
swordz9 posted...So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material? Oh, I imagine they could shoehorn kids in if they wanted to. Which they probably do. --- There's always hope for better things in life. But you can't let anything, friend, lover,God himself,be your hope. You have to be your own hope ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Airship_Canon 03/27/17 12:22:35 PM #149: |
SupremeZero posted...
Airship_Canon posted...swordz9 posted...So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material? Those bits are already confirmed: No MU No Kids No Dual-system No Predictable Archers with range 2. The pillars of modern warfare have no place in Valentia! --- Waifus are not gear adrift! Hooyarr! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MariaTaylor 03/27/17 12:24:20 PM #150: |
No MU Final Destination. --- Won't you be my <Friend>? https://puu.sh/uuF2l/1e28d09ff7.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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