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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:17:59 PM
#101:


MariaTaylor posted...

that's like me tearing down a building and then saying all I did was replace it with a building made of different materials so it wasn't really destroyed. except I didn't put anything else there. it's just empty space. yeah, those materials it was made from?


alternatively, the emperor was totally wearing new clothes.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:19:01 PM
#102:


TheRock1525 posted...
I'm not citing the "..." as cut content or not, I'm talking about the Avatar(F)/Rhataj supports.


um, my post was specifically about changing dialogue to "..." and I said that doing that makes you sound insane.

then your response was "I guess I am insane then."

how could I possibly think you were referring to anything else

how could you possibly think I was referring to anything else

the very first line in my post is

MariaTaylor posted...
I will saying that changing full lines of dialogue to "..." is a pretty hard position to defend

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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:19:46 PM
#103:


Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:22:24 PM
#104:


TheRock1525 posted...
Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support.


what does that discussion have to do with my post which you directly quoted and responded to?

are you physically incapable of typing the statement "I misunderstood your post"
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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:22:59 PM
#105:


Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there.
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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:23:18 PM
#106:


MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Because wang and I were talking about the Rhataj support.


what does that discussion have to do with my post which you directly quoted and responded to?

are you physically incapable of typing the statement "I misunderstood your post"


I misunderstood your post then.
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swordz9
03/26/17 10:24:12 PM
#107:


How much was changed with pickle guy?
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:24:31 PM
#108:


TheRock1525 posted...
I'm not citing the "..." as cut content or not, I'm talking about the Avatar(F)/Rhataj supports.


TheRock1525 posted...
I don't see changing dialogue as "cut content" if it still gets to the end result.




you're stuck into a corner on that one too.
it got to the same end result either way.
though you could probably argue the "..." support as a change better than you can the f/f support since the latter is pretty cut and dry as something that was removed and replaced with the opposite sex support. at least the former is just a single support so you could argue it.
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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:25:45 PM
#109:


"..." isn't dialogue, though.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:25:48 PM
#110:


TheRock1525 posted...
Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there.


so you acknowledge that content was cut but you enjoyed the localization overall despite this fact

this statement sounds eerily similar to a post that I made like 30 posts ago

turns out there was no need to argue after all
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:26:05 PM
#111:


swordz9 posted...
How much was changed with pickle guy?


he was a dull, boring character in Japanese. fairly standard.
pickle obsession was entirely a treehouse creation.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:27:58 PM
#112:


all you ever have to say to shut wang up is something like this

MariaTaylor posted...
- the decision to cut dialogue in some instances was bad, but overall I still thought the localization was good


it's literally that easy

unless you're incapable of admitting that cut dialogue was cut
or if you're incapable of accepting that you think something is good and wang thinks that thing is bad

in which case the discussion will never end
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Huff n puff 20
03/26/17 10:28:21 PM
#113:


swordz9 posted...
How much was changed with pickle guy?

Increase Pickles, decrease in all other relevant things. They took a tiny quirk from a single line and took that up to 11.

Certainly not the worst change: it's more in line with what 8-4 did with Gregor (Generic, now Generic Russian)
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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:28:51 PM
#114:


MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Like the "..." stuff is cut content because they literally replaced something with nothing. Granted, a nothing I kinda found humorous but there is literally nothing there.


so you acknowledge that content was cut but you enjoyed the localization overall despite this fact

this statement sounds eerily similar to a post that I made like 30 posts ago

turns out there was no need to argue after all


Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization.
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KamikazePotato
03/26/17 10:29:10 PM
#115:


Anyone have links to some of the Japanese versions of the supports? Would be curious to see those.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:29:53 PM
#116:


TheRock1525 posted...
Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization.


okay.

have fun arguing that content which was cut out of the game is not cut content.

at the very least you might settle it before the heat death of the universe.
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:30:13 PM
#117:


TheRock1525 posted...
"..." isn't dialogue, though.


the game considers it to be dialogue that gets you the support, so this shouldn't be a problem for you. that's your own logic. you used the game mechanics argument plenty of times so you can't just not-apply it now.



MariaTaylor posted...
all you ever have to say to shut wang up is something like this


Wanglicious posted...
Treehouse f***ed up. you enjoy the game anyway. these two are compatible.


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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:31:21 PM
#118:


MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization.


okay.

have fun arguing that content which was cut out of the game is not content.

at the very least you might settle it before the heat death of the universe.


So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content?
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:31:23 PM
#119:


Wanglicious posted...

MariaTaylor posted...

all you ever have to say to shut wang up is something like this



Wanglicious posted...

Treehouse f***ed up. you enjoy the game anyway. these two are compatible.



<___<;


I know, right

even wang says so

clearly I know what I am talking about
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:33:30 PM
#120:


TheRock1525 posted...
So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content?


believe me, this is not something I would ever argue about
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TheRock1525
03/26/17 10:34:35 PM
#121:


Fine whatever it's 1:30 in the morning. It's cut content. I've sick as s*** and haven't gotten any better since Wednesday so I'm probably going to go back to the doctors and finally get my tonsils out cause this is horses***.

You're right wang,
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swordz9
03/26/17 10:35:01 PM
#122:


Imagine if they changed the swastika on Ichigo's sword into a square. The outrage!
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KommunistKoala
03/26/17 10:35:03 PM
#123:


Henry better in the US version true facts
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mnkboy907
03/26/17 10:35:28 PM
#124:


It seems pretty simple to me. The Japanese version has two scripts for that support. The English version has one script, used twice. One script was cut.
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Xiahou Shake
03/26/17 10:35:44 PM
#125:


I remember when we had topics like this twice a week back when Tokyo Mirage Sessions was coming out. That was a weird time. >_>
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:36:09 PM
#126:


KamikazePotato posted...
Anyone have links to some of the Japanese versions of the supports? Would be curious to see those.


oh dammit, the serene forest thing is the same for both.
here was the f/f one.

http://pastebin.com/e5fpH6m6

the different tone she has is because she's also got a different personality. it's best seen with some of the lines she uses.


USA: “I’ve got you right where I want you. And I’m never going to let you go…”
JPN: ”…I love you. My feelings for you are stronger than any sort of curse… If you betray these feelings, I won’t forgive you… and it’s already too late for regrets.“

USA: “Have I told you lately that I love you? Good.”
JPN: “I love you… No matter how many times I say it, it’s not enough… I love you. I really love you. …say, what about you, dear?”

USA: “If you die before me, I’ll revive you myself. Just so I can kill you again!”
JPN: “Don’t die and leave me behind… If that happened…I’d follow you into hell…”



so... yeah.
but there's the proper japanese support.
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Huff n puff 20
03/26/17 10:36:53 PM
#127:


TheRock1525 posted...
MariaTaylor posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Right but I'm arguing that the change in the Rhataj/Avatar support is not cut content. It's changed content in the localization.


okay.

have fun arguing that content which was cut out of the game is not content.

at the very least you might settle it before the heat death of the universe.


So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content?

Depends.

Are there 2 symbols with totally different meanings used in different situations and the localization takes out one and replaces it with the other so that only 1 exists for both situations?

If that's the case, cut.

As a point, this is a false equivalence. A large block of unlockable dialogue in a game is not equal to a meaningless symbol or graphic in an anime.
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 10:41:00 PM
#128:


TheRock1525 posted...

So would you argue that when an anime localization team decides to change a symbol into a different symbol, which is functionally the same but looks different, is cut content or changed content?


well, we've seen this in games too - religious symbols getting changed, for examples. or anything to do with Hitler. i'd generally think that it's censored content but not really cut, just altered from the original due for political reasons. the same has been true of dirty language too. i don't like any of that stuff but i don't consider that cut - cut would be more outright removal. which could still be a form of censorship, and maybe that's what you've got here when you read just how lesbian the support gets, but yeah.
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MariaTaylor
03/26/17 10:49:57 PM
#129:


swordz9 posted...
Imagine if they changed the swastika on Ichigo's sword into a square. The outrage!


nazis everywhere were alarmed to learn their hero had been turned into a square
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WhiteLens
03/26/17 10:56:13 PM
#130:


Or what if Neji had the manji on his forehead become an X?

Oh wait....that happened.
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Akatsuki_
03/26/17 11:18:11 PM
#131:


For all of the complaints about Fates' translation, the worst part is that they didn't even bother to finish translating all of the DLC for Fates while Awakening got all of its DLC translated.
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ChaosTonyV4
03/26/17 11:40:53 PM
#132:


This marks the 36th topic for Wang to rant about FE localizations again, lol.

Keep fighting the good fight <_<
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Mac Arrowny
03/26/17 11:53:29 PM
#133:


Wait, did someone in this topic imply that Atlus leaving honorifics in Persona untranslated isn't worse than anything in the Fates localization? Really?
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Wanglicious
03/26/17 11:57:33 PM
#134:


feel free to point the rant out.
hopefully not from behind the edit button where you're being a jackass. surprise as it may be, when a s***ty job's done, other people notice it too. but sure, it's totally just me.

this is still a scummy as hell move by you though.


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
This marks the 36th topic for Wang to rant about FE localizations again, lol.

Keep fighting the good fight <_<



Why did we need a 36th topic for Wang to rant about FE localizations again?

I understand that you're upset, Wang, but we've walked this road a thousand times.

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Huff n puff 20
03/26/17 11:57:44 PM
#135:


Mac Arrowny posted...
Wait, did someone in this topic imply that Atlus leaving honorifics in Persona untranslated isn't worse than anything in the Fates localization? Really?

Lazy is better than awful.
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Mac Arrowny
03/27/17 12:03:00 AM
#136:


Eh, the awful sounding honorifics are more painful to a native English speaker than anything in Fates.
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MariaTaylor
03/27/17 12:20:43 AM
#137:


mac-sama.... how could you....
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Paratroopa1
03/27/17 12:23:36 AM
#138:


I can accept the honorifics thing only if it's very pointedly a stylistic choice, and not because 'that's the right way to translate this', but even then I have deep reservations about it
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Kenri
03/27/17 12:28:19 AM
#139:


if you take the honorifics out it's cutting content tho
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ChaosTonyV4
03/27/17 4:56:32 AM
#140:


Wanglicious posted...
feel free to point the rant out.
hopefully not from behind the edit button where you're being a jackass. surprise as it may be, when a s***ty job's done, other people notice it too. but sure, it's totally just me.

this is still a scummy as hell move by you though


I was just localizing it.

And don't sit here and act like you haven't argued about this a lot.
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Wanglicious
03/27/17 5:03:40 AM
#141:


when did i act like that? of course i have, as have many of the other people in this topic. and all that's in this topic are arguments and facts of the game, not rants or anything close to one, by myself and by others.

how does that excuse your being an ass and hiding it behind the edit button?
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ChaosTonyV4
03/27/17 5:12:47 AM
#142:


I didn't hide s***, I thought the original post was too dismissive to you after I made it, so I changed it.
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Wanglicious
03/27/17 5:21:31 AM
#143:


<_< so you just totally expect people to read edited stuff?
because otherwise that sure sounds a lot like hiding.
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ChaosTonyV4
03/27/17 5:25:55 AM
#144:


I mean you're free to read edited posts, but the implication of an edit is that I didn't like the original post.

If by "hiding", you mean "changing", then I guess I did in the most literal sense.

But I just explained why.
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Kinglicious
03/27/17 6:14:57 AM
#145:


Oh. Okay that's fair. My bad for jumping the gun, thought it was more malicious than that.
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swordz9
03/27/17 11:53:49 AM
#146:


So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material?
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Airship_Canon
03/27/17 12:06:31 PM
#147:


swordz9 posted...
So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material?


There's no Avatar and the conversations are initiated on the battlefield ala GBA.

Shipping is a maybe, kids are a no, and they better not allow anyone to separate Alm and Celica.
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SupremeZero
03/27/17 12:08:30 PM
#148:


Airship_Canon posted...
swordz9 posted...
So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material?


There's no Avatar and the conversations are initiated on the battlefield ala GBA.

Shipping is a maybe, kids are a no, and they better not allow anyone to separate Alm and Celica.

Oh, I imagine they could shoehorn kids in if they wanted to.

Which they probably do.
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Airship_Canon
03/27/17 12:22:35 PM
#149:


SupremeZero posted...
Airship_Canon posted...
swordz9 posted...
So since this has supports does that mean it has shipping too or are they all just non-marriage material?


There's no Avatar and the conversations are initiated on the battlefield ala GBA.

Shipping is a maybe, kids are a no, and they better not allow anyone to separate Alm and Celica.

Oh, I imagine they could shoehorn kids in if they wanted to.

Which they probably do.


Those bits are already confirmed:
No MU
No Kids
No Dual-system
No Predictable Archers with range 2.

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MariaTaylor
03/27/17 12:24:20 PM
#150:


Airship_Canon posted...
No MU
No Kids
No Dual-system


Final Destination.
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