Board 8 > China lifts ban on lesbians donating blood, keeps gay men ban on same thing.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/06/world/asia/china-lesbian-blood-donors/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Kind of strange, but I'm not really sure what to say about it.

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I think it's the same here (Belgium), at least i know gay men can't donate, dunno about lesbians, but since they aren't mentioned on the questionnaire I just assume they're allowed to.

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China: Lesbian lovers.

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Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population

Fair

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masterplum posted...

Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population

Fair

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This.

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Yeah, I'm gay and even I understand this. It's not like it's totally random that they're allowing it for lesbians but not gay men. Pretty different cases.

The fact that lesbians were banned in the first place proves that they have some incredibly stupid people making the rules over there.

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It's the same in America as well. Unfortunate, but understandable.

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I don't really know why we can't just do tests on the blood, since HIV is found in plenty of people who don't engage in gay sex also, but whatever, it's just the reality of the situation that man-on-man sex has risks associated with it. Woman-on-woman pretty much doesn't though so hooray China for actually being progressive for a change?

I assume they wouldn't test the blood because testing might be expensive. It's probably easier and cheaper to ban gay men from donating than it is to just test all of their blood. If the statistics say that gay men have a significantly higher rate of HIV than the general population, then it makes sense. It sucks, but that's probably the best way to go. I would assume that blood is randomly tested, however.

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Yep I'm still banned because I was in west Africa for 2 years a year and a half ago.

Cheaper to ban then test

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From: masterplum | #004
Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population

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I don't have the stats, but if they banned black people from donating blood using the same logic, people would f***ing riot.

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technically in the US they do not ban gay men, they just ask you if you have ever had sex with a man before.

this rule used to piss me off but SHM makes me happy it is in place

I only wish that we could just pass a law banning HIV positive people from board 8 as well

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From: masterplum | #004

Gay men have higher HIV rates then the general population

Fair

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wow you are even stupider than I thought

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HIV infections are also more prevalent in African Americans than other races

do you guys think it'd be acceptable for the US to ban black people from giving blood for this reason?

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absolutely

among other things

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...

HIV infections are also more prevalent in African Americans than other races

do you guys think it'd be acceptable for the US to ban black people from giving blood for this reason?

no

only black gay people

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Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...

HIV infections are also more prevalent in African Americans than other races

do you guys think it'd be acceptable for the US to ban black people from giving blood for this reason?

Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Zachnorn posted...

I assume they wouldn't test the blood because testing might be expensive. It's probably easier and cheaper to ban gay men from donating than it is to just test all of their blood. If the statistics say that gay men have a significantly higher rate of HIV than the general population, then it makes sense. It sucks, but that's probably the best way to go. I would assume that blood is randomly tested, however.

All blood is tested.
You don't want to give someone hiv when giving them a blood transplant.

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Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV.

LMAO tell that to magic johnson or are you saying he got that from gay sex

you know he is a BASKETBALL player, right?

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Bospsychopaat posted...

Zachnorn posted...

I assume they wouldn't test the blood because testing might be expensive. It's probably easier and cheaper to ban gay men from donating than it is to just test all of their blood. If the statistics say that gay men have a significantly higher rate of HIV than the general population, then it makes sense. It sucks, but that's probably the best way to go. I would assume that blood is randomly tested, however.

All blood is tested.
You don't want to give someone hiv when giving him a blood transplant.

Yeah, this is the thing I don't get. HIV and other diseases/bad things are prevalent enough in anyone's blood that not testing it for these things is far too risky. I guess they just figure that the rate is too high among those participating in gay sex that it's not worth it. I buy that the rate is higher but I don't buy that it's not worth it.

I think they're incorrect but that doesn't mean it's not understandable.

CycloRaptor posted...

Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV.

LMAO tell that to magic johnson or are you saying he got that from gay sex

you know he is a BASKETBALL player, right?

uh

what

Don't mind him. He's just trolling.

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Well, if you got magic Johnsons hiv you'll probably live to 100 like he is.

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Para you continue to be the most astonishingly prideless gay man I have ever met

I can't believe you actually defend a policy like this

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If I had to imagine it's because lesbians don't really have the physical equipment to *ahem* insert.



Still a dumb policy though.

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No one should be banned from helping others based on their sexuality.

I'm gay, I do not have HIV, my blood is as good as anyone else's and I should be allowed to donate it if I so choose.

There is not one logical argument to justify a policy like this.

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All blood is tested, but the tests can return false negatives fairly often.

You are also prohibited from giving blood if you've had sex with a prostitute, lived in some countries, or had a variety of medical treatments.

Even by testing every donation and prohibiting a large number of people from donating, people still get incurable diseases from transfusions. This is not political by any stretch of the word. Blood centers literally never turn down blood, they take all they can get. The idea that not accepting blood from males that have had sex with other males is some sort of moral or political decision is reprehensible.

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All blood is tested.
You don't want to give someone hiv when giving them a blood transplant.

Ah, my mistake.

I don't understand it, then. Maybe it takes some time for HIV to develop or something? I admit that I don't know enough about HIV in particular. I did notice that it mentioned this:

The ban still applies to men who are sexually active with other men, but celibate homosexuals are permitted to give blood, according to the Ministry of Health's website.

That's important. It would make sense to ban sexually active (two key words there) gay men if HIV cannot be detected for a significant period of time. I did hear before that it takes several months after being infected for it to show up on a test.

The policy still sucks, but at least it is understandable if my interpretations on HIV are correct. I don't like the idea of stereotypes and discrimination, but if that is what helps prevents HIV, then it may be a necessary evil in this case.

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In the US, the policy is that you can't donate blood if you are "a man who has had sexual contact with a man since 1977."

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That's ridiculous and should be changed, then. It should be "in the past year" or something like that.

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sorry mer the gay vote here is 2-1 for, you have been overruled

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What is the incubation period for aids? 1977 is 35 years, that could be shortened I'm sure

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Mer, just because both para and you are gay doesn't mean you have to have the same thoughts on everything gay-related.

Let him have some individuality for crying out loud

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I get the logic behind it, but it's still hella dumb.

Mer_Mer_Yes_Mer posted...

Para you continue to be the most astonishingly prideless gay man I have ever met

I can't believe you actually defend a policy like this

It's not like it's a ban against gay people. It's a ban against dudes who have had penetrative sex with other dudes. The fact is that this does mean a higher risk of diseases and I sure as heck wouldn't want to have sex with someone who didn't know this. They aren't just excluding gay people for no reason, like they do in pretty much every other facet of life that excludes gay people. This is like the one time where it might be legit.

And I'm sort of tired of having to subscribe to a specific set of ideals because I'm homosexual, thanks.

From: Paratroopa1 | #018
Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Being gay isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Boom.

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and yet they do not ban men who have anal sex with women or women who have anal sex


how are those groups any less at risk

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AlphaRayAllen posted...

From: Paratroopa1 | #018
Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Being gay isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Boom.

In the US they don't ban gay men, the ban men who have had sex with men (and women who have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man)

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AlphaRayAllen posted...

From: Paratroopa1 | #018
Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Being gay isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Boom.

3 minutes too late I'm afraid!

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AlphaRayAllen posted...

From: Paratroopa1 | #018
Being black isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Being gay isn't a direct contributor to having HIV. Sexual contact is.

Boom.

...Okay, but it's not a ban against gay people.

I don't know why they don't reject people who have heterosexual anal sex. They probably should, if for no other reason than it would keep the heat off of them for supposedly being homophobic. Shrug.

...huh.
did not expect to see an unbiased stance on this issue. i'll be damned, that's a shift of what i'm used to seeing, especially on board 8.

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I don't know why they don't reject people who have heterosexual anal sex.

b/c then they would not get any blood

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #040
In the US they don't ban gay men, the ban men who have had sex with men (and women who have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man)

"I'm not discriminating against you because you're black, I'm discriminating against you because your grandparents were black."

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From: WazzupGenius00 | #040
In the US they don't ban gay men, the ban men who have had sex with men (and women who have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man)

"I'm not discriminating against you because you're black, I'm discriminating against you because your grandparents were black."

How is that even close to an accurate analogy? One you have direct control over, and one you have absolutely no control over.

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The "no women who have had sex with a man who had sex with a man stipulation" is hilarious. How many guys are going to disclose their history of homosexuality with a woman they're about to sleep with?

Anyway, I'm guessing the rationale is(or was originally) that the amount of unusable blood they got from practicing homosexuals was just so significant that they figured "why bother" and banned it.

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From: Paratroopa1 | #037

And I'm sort of tired of having to subscribe to a specific set of ideals because I'm homosexual, thanks.

From: KingButz | #035

Mer, just because both para and you are gay doesn't mean you have to have the same thoughts on everything gay-related.

Let him have some individuality for crying out loud

Oh, please. Para should have the self-respect and the common sense to recognize this for the blatantly homophobic policy it is. Defending this is like being against gay marriage.

I can't believe the majority of B8ers are actually defending this. Did everyone loan their accounts to SmartMuffin and MWC for the day?

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smuffin and mwc are just more extreme versions of the majority of white men in this country

if they had social skills/did anything more than obsess over politics and make their ideology their life they would probably be just like everyone else here

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