- that aerodactyl-looking thing that N uses kicked my ass the first time. (comparatively speaking, the legendary reshiram was a joke.) but yeah the aerodactyl dominated my pokemon the first time through and it was pretty damn difficult to beat it the second time through too. need leech seed and luck.
- hydreigon is incredible. makes me incredibly angry that at level 50, when my zweilos evolved, it was almost completely useless. i think i got by it by using thrash with darmanitan and reviving darmanitan over and over.
looked both these guys up online afterward (after having not used a guide all game) and apparently hydreigon can't be got at level 54 (lol) and the aerodactyl thing i passed up on for a piece of s*** that can't move OR attack FFFFFFFFFFF
i have more thoughts if anyone's up for discussing
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i had no idea about archeops's ability. thing was too damn fast and strong for me to realize it! but i guess the first time when it swept me, i was barely alive
my party was pretty terrible
level 50 zweilos (gave it 3 rare candies to get to level 50 since i figured SOMETHING had to happen)
level 41 fraxure (i swept the pokemon league in DPP with dragon dancing gyarados... this little dude got off like 2 hits total in the series, including one whacking of reshiram)
level 50 zekrom (DNP basically, got annihilated by both of the abovementioned pokemon)... alternatively, level 37 carracosta lmao
level 43 gurrdurr - got a bad feeling about this when it didn't evolve once it hit level 40... and checked and yup, it's a trade-evolution like machamp. guessing that boldore is the equivalent for graveler.
so yeah... not the strongest squad. abandoned the opportunity to raise zebstrika and stoutland into the battles but didn't really regret.
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HMs... i missed strength entirely! i don't think surf was even required to beat the game.
type weighting... there was a relative dearth of quality water pokemon in this game, which surprised me - i'd assumed that it would be necessary to have a water type to get through it all, which is why i incorporated carracosta, but it saw very little action... panpour also got the 'just-not-useful-enough' cut early on.
B/W2... i am interested in doing some of the endgame stuff of B/W before reading up on this. will shamelessly use a guide though.
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Serperior was so disappointing. It could have been a fast, physical sweeper and what we got was just so...poor. I consider it unusable trash. Good job the design is great or else it'd be really low. Samurott for life.
Fortunately BW makes up for it by having the best ever selection of Pokemon, even better than RBY.
Good choice on using THEMANITAN. He's the perfect in-game Pokemon along with Krookodile. But no Flare Blitz?
Carracosta's a beast once he learns Shell Smash. He ripped through half of N's team (one-shotted Reshiram whose fusion flare did practically nothing, two-shotted Zoroark, but hit me with Focus blast which did a lot, and I one-shotted Archeops before getting taken out by Klinklang). Did pretty well against Ghetsis too iirc. You just need to be patient when raising him.
And yeah, I picked Tepig as my starter... never been let down by fire before, but I was this time. First time I actually boxed my starter.
Serperior was so disappointing. It could have been a fast, physical sweeper and what we got was just so...poor. I consider it unusable trash. Good job the design is great or else it'd be really low. Samurott for life.
very troubling to me was the moveset with which serperior is equipped, which is worsened by the fact that there are very few good, generic, physical TMs... i yearn for the days where you could equip pretty much any pokemon with f***ing BODY SLAM. as is, it mainly killed boldores and was a great asset in grind-it-down battles where i didn't have any super-effective pokemon. surprisingly durable. and yeah the design gets it a lot of points.
Fortunately BW makes up for it by having the best ever selection of Pokemon, even better than RBY.
i'm not sure it beats RBY but i was both impressed and pleased by the decision to give a legitimate set of 150 new ones and just seal it off. i think i learned maybe 2 names of pokemon in DPP since i was too busy wrecking house with gyarados. i had to guess at a lot of types and weaknesses and levelup stuff.
Good choice on using THEMANITAN. He's the perfect in-game Pokemon along with Krookodile. But no Flare Blitz?
yeah i passed on flare blitz. not a huge fan of moves that cripple my pokemon and it didn't seem quote as useful in-game (though i could definitely have used it against conf*grigus i think). and to think i almost gave up on its pre-evolved form when i didn't think it was going to evolve, or it needed a trade/firestone. really glad that didn't happen!
Also yeah there are very few usable water-types, especially if you don't pick Samurott. Jellicent is more or less it.
really? surprising since jellicent doesn't look like it should be usable...
Iamdead7 posted...
Your main problem was not having Krookodile, who in addition to being super cool kicks serious ass.
haha, fair point. it seemed like weak trash probably because it was common and team plasma used it, but it was badass as hell and probably one of the few legit ground type pokemon.
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Carracosta > Archeops all the way man, what the hell?
starfox2245 posted...
Carracosta's a beast once he learns Shell Smash. He ripped through half of N's team (one-shotted Reshiram whose fusion flare did practically nothing, two-shotted Zoroark, but hit me with Focus blast which did a lot, and I one-shotted Archeops before getting taken out by Klinklang). Did pretty well against Ghetsis too iirc. You just need to be patient when raising him.
well i wish i had known this stuff earlier on in the game! i was patient as hell with carracosta. gave the motherf***er the lucky egg and put it first in my party and everything (though i always play the game on SET, so in trainer battles it only accrued the first pokemon's worth of exp). thing was just too weak and too slow... it couldn't even beat those ugly bug-type shell-looking things in the marshes. i was planning to raise it to 40 (omastar/kabutops level) and then seeing what it did... but it was too slow and it didn't have enough firepower... too bad i didn't stick to the level 40 plan <_<
also i think i should be forgiven for being smitten by archeops considering it literally OHKO'd the legendary pokemon in its first outing along with sweeping my team with ridic speed
And yeah, I picked Tepig as my starter... never been let down by fire before, but I was this time. First time I actually boxed my starter.
made me feel so good (and yet kinda bad) when i saw cheren (is he terrible or what?) wending that garbage out. i think i thrashed its ass with darmanitan or even wasted it using my yet-unevolved carracosta.
Pram_the_Oracle posted...
Picked Grass as well, but you can bet I boxed it's ass once Grass weak Bosses are gone.
Kept using it for the Dream part though.
my biggest temptation to box serperior came when i kept getting the s*** kicked out of me by deerling. most irritating wild pokemon to run into when trying to raise weak pokemon ever.
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Also, you should have taken the time to evolve Fraxure into Haxorus. Its attack stat is through the roof.
i'm doing that now. feels so bad man when i realize that i could have done that in only six levels, whereas getting hydreigon would LITERALLY have taken me 25. i used my RBY intuition and figured that 1. zweilos would only evolve once, and his second form would kick ass and 2. it would take until level 55 to evolve fraxure
on the plus side, i wound up using the darMANitan all the more for my mistakes!
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I dunno, I'd put Basculin over Deerlings in the annoying department. Goddamn Aqua Jet Spamming.
as far as i know, i never ran into basculin during the main quest except for once, when i intentionally surfed in victory road to see what would appear in the water. no big deal imo. also if you're annoyed by aqua jet (the equivalent of quick attack, right?) then you've probably got pokemon that can withstand it and kill it effectively... i was trying to raise pokemon against deerling. whoops!
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some thoughts about the type balancing this game...
- talk about an increase in bug power. x-scissor and bug bite were everywhere, and bug pokemon never seemed to stop coming. there were some seriously hideous ones! (thinking of that giant evolved whirlipede here) and osme of them seemed decently durable too. too bad it's a trash type huh.
- lots more steel types, dark types, dragon types, rock types, and ghost types... it's a little jarring when the main elements i'm looking at are these guys to go with the normal/flying/bug/poison folk. i did miss the old school grass/fire/water/electric/ground fare a bit.
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Archeops is amazing. Who gives a crap about its ability in-game when you're going to have tons of Lemonades and Revives to bring it back to full power whenever you want anyway?
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very troubling to me was the moveset with which serperior is equipped, which is worsened by the fact that there are very few good, generic, physical TMs... i yearn for the days where you could equip pretty much any pokemon with f***ing BODY SLAM. as is, it mainly killed boldores and was a great asset in grind-it-down battles where i didn't have any super-effective pokemon. surprisingly durable. and yeah the design gets it a lot of points.
Yeah the movepool is incredibly s***ty. Another issue with it, though the stat spread means it's crippled as an offensive threat before it even starts tbqh
yeah i passed on flare blitz. not a huge fan of moves that cripple my pokemon and it didn't seem quote as useful in-game (though i could definitely have used it against conf*grigus i think). and to think i almost gave up on its pre-evolved form when i didn't think it was going to evolve, or it needed a trade/firestone. really glad that didn't happen!
Honestly FB's power is so awesome it can OHKO basically anything. It was always my secret weapon. Also the fact that it learns stuff like Rock Slide/Stone Edge and EQ makes it A+
really? surprising since jellicent doesn't look like it should be usable...
It's not great or anything but it's adequate, very tough to beat too. With good water Pokemon so lacking it's practically a godsend.
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What'd you think about the game, generally? How would you compare it to the previous Pokemon games you played?
hmm... it beats pearl handily, that's a given. pearl was just so slow i never wanted to do any exploring.
i haven't explored all of the endgame stuff yet so it's hard to compare to RBY/GSC... also, with all the polish that comes with it, it loses a bit of that nice lightweight feel of RBY/GSC.
i should also point out that i knew tons about RBY/GSC when i went into those games. i think i knew every in and out of RBY by the end, and GSC i was so hyped about i knew pretty much every single detail before i played it.
i think i'm going to need to divide and conquer on this, ranking each category separately!
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I never did all the endgame stuff in Black mainly because there's such a high volume of it. So many Pokemon to collect and so many things to do... I ended up just moving onto Pokemon Online to play competitively.
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For a water type, I ended up with the in-game trade Basculin. At first I used it as an HM slave for all 4 slots, I think, but it was pretty good in battle for me (I think it automatically has 31 IVs in both attacks and speed), and since it was traded it leveled up pretty fast.
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i'm starting to realize that white will prob get the ass end of the comparison on all the stuff i'm about to do, so bear with me. just a way i want to discuss the game and the series!
new pokemon - RBY has the classic element and a fantastic set on the whole, though we all ought to complain (rightfully) about garbage like kingler, seadra, seaking, and friends. tons and tons of water types here and a weird tendency to couple a lot of types where it's not really called for.
- GSC's set is universally considered significantly weaker than RBY's, it's also a much smaller set.
- BW uses a lot of the same tropes from RBY and its typing as a whole leans very differently. i'm not too sold on the balancing scheme of it since i didn't know what to expect, but it certainly beats GSC by a wide margin.
RBY > BW >> GSC
pokemon availability
- RBY gives you a fantastic starter that can carry you the whole way through the game, which is great.
- GSC has the widest selection and part of its appeal is allowing you to use impractical pokemon from RBY very practically early in the game. here i'm talking gastly, haunter, magmar, etc. on the other hand, you gotta dock it some points for the poor selection of new pokemon, plus the fact that you still run into garbage like pidgey, rattata, zubat, tentacool, etc all the time.
- BW exposes you to a ton of pokemon and allows you to use them too! a decent starter set and a whole bunch of the types that were considered more coveted or unusual in RBY add to the appeal here: psychics, bugs, ghosts, etc. - if i hadn't gone in with the RBY/GSC mentality, i might have cast my net a bit more, but it was still good stuff. on the other hand you did have a few blatant RBY ripoffs (gurdurr's line and boldore's line, notably) which hurt it a bit.
all i know is that RBY >= BW >= GSC here. need to play more in order to make a firm call on where BW stands.
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I guess postgame in Black and White is Dream World and collecting all the Pokemon? And that big stretch of Unova leading up to either Black City or White Forest? And the ship? I dunno, it doesn't seem like all that much to me, but then, I don't catch 'em all and I touched the Dream World once.
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I never did all the endgame stuff in Black mainly because there's such a high volume of it. So many Pokemon to collect and so many things to do... I ended up just moving onto Pokemon Online to play competitively.
i don't think i intend to play competitively. too much work leveling, getting 'IVs' or whatever. i'm thinking, locate all 6 sages first, then see what else there is out there. maybe some of the battle towers, maybe a few runthroughs of the E4 again. i hear there are some other trainers at the end too.
GTM posted...
For a water type, I ended up with the in-game trade Basculin. At first I used it as an HM slave for all 4 slots, I think, but it was pretty good in battle for me (I think it automatically has 31 IVs in both attacks and speed), and since it was traded it leveled up pretty fast.
haha that's awesome... my panpour was my cutslave (though in the end, i guess that slot wouldn't have been wasted on serperior)... for the moment carracosta has strength and surf.
Azp2k32 posted...
Basculin and Deerling most annoying? No, that's f***ing Boldore with its damn Sturdy ability. Guaranteed to take 2 hits.
leech seed + giga drain made these time-consuming but overall painless for me.
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