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profDEADPOOL
07/13/12 12:34:00 PM
#401:


From: AlphaRayAllen | #395
Nocturne has never gotten a buff in his history, I don't believe.

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Orianna buff is a step in the right direction.

Malphite and gold items not nerfed enough.

Malphite has been nerfed plenty. I agree with the 3 instead of 4 seconds on Ground Slam's attack speed reduction but that ratio nerf is just a little bit too much. Meh just means people will build tanky AD Malphite more if they are smart.

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 12:41:00 PM
#402:


It's only bad blitz's who think they have to initiate from max range with their grab.

The second Soraka's Silence is down run into her god damn face and pop her up. Then the grab is easy to land when she's that close.

Yes, Ezreal dumps on Blitz. Like I said, Poke Comps>>Burst Comps.


As for Nocturne, his nerfs were needed. His ult is gamebreaking and his shield lasted way too long when combined with it. Malphite got knocked down too hard.

They didn't nerf how much gold you earned, all they did was stop making such cost efficient items so cost efficient. This stops every top, mid, and jungler from running Heart of Gold and Philo.

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masterplum
07/13/12 12:42:00 PM
#403:


Holy crap what an amazing GP buff.


I am super happy right now

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Achromatic
07/13/12 12:44:00 PM
#404:


TheConductorSix posted...
It's only bad blitz's who think they have to initiate from max range with their grab.

The second Soraka's Silence is down run into her god damn face and pop her up. Then the grab is easy to land when she's that close.

Yes, Ezreal dumps on Blitz. Like I said, Poke Comps>>Burst Comps.


As for Nocturne, his nerfs were needed. His ult is gamebreaking and his shield lasted way too long when combined with it. Malphite got knocked down too hard.

They didn't nerf how much gold you earned, all they did was stop making such cost efficient items so cost efficient. This stops every top, mid, and jungler from running Heart of Gold and Philo.


The problem is a majority of AD champions can become poke champs. Ashe, Cait, Trist.

They can unleash poke as you run up and try to harm their support.

All the while you are contending with creeps if you just walk up to a Soraka.

I just don't think this is a good plan tbh.

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 12:55:00 PM
#405:


1.Tristana's not a poke champion until level 8-9. Blitz has literally no fear of her until then.

2.Ashe dunks Blitz. Period. When he speeds up she Volleys. If he grabs her support she ults the enemy carry. Ashe is just so defensive that she infuriates alot of comps. It's why she's such a neutral pick bottom lane unless Vayne grabs Cleanse.

3.The most under-rated portion of Blitz isn't the grab, it's the threat of it. As long is Blitz is in the bush his carry has the greatest protection of all time and can farm safely.

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AlphaRayAllen
07/13/12 1:47:00 PM
#406:


From: profDEADPOOL | #401
tanky AD Malphite more if they are smart.


lol?

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 1:54:00 PM
#407:


AD Malphite works wonders but runs out of mana FAST.

AP Malphite worked because you could just buy 2 dorans and Sorc Boots and spam Q/E without ever really worrying about them hurting you back because his AS reduction lasted 4 seconds. FOUR SECONDS. That's 2 attacks when his E is on you.

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profDEADPOOL
07/13/12 2:07:00 PM
#408:


From: AlphaRayAllen | #406
From: profDEADPOOL | #401
tanky AD Malphite more if they are smart.


lol?

Nerfs on his E. Course then I found out it is getting 0.2 AP ratio to make up for it going from 0.5 to 0.3 on armor. So nvm Tanky AP still better for some stuff. The time nerf on his E will hurt his ability to own as AP though and his main owning as AD was from ult>W>AA while they are in the air so that hasn't been nerfed at all and will therefore be relatively improved(not necessarily better then tanky AP though) compared to tanky AP cause the E nerfs don't affect tanky AD as much as tanky AP.

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 2:09:00 PM
#409:


I love how Malphite gets an Armor Penalty at the same time Xin Zhao gets an Armor Reduction.

I'm so excited for Black Cleaver Xin Zhao. Come get True Damaged.

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AlphaRayAllen
07/13/12 4:00:00 PM
#410:


So from what I've been hearing, Evelynn and Xin Zhao are back in a big way and will probably dominate blind pick for a long time. At least they can be nerfed without being made useless now. Opinions are mixed on Twitch, a lot of people are crying "NERFED" but that happens all the time. Apparently the lose of base damage on Expunge hurt.

Zyra is ass, apparently. Her damage is bad and her plants are stupid when it comes to targeting. They don't last very long, nor do they have a lot of health. A lot of focus on the mechanic and not a lot of pay off. Maybe she just takes time to use correctly, but the general consensus is that she'll need a hotfix.

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KommunistKoala
07/13/12 5:19:00 PM
#411:


LMFAO that GP buff.

SO good and so happy

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caveman cam
07/13/12 5:28:00 PM
#412:


My take on Zyra is that she'll see some use as a supporter. I can see her being very useful for harassing bottom lane until they cry, and then starting to roam after she hits 6-8. I could also see her being useful for ambushing certain junglers (Amumu, Warwick, Cho'Gath to name a few)..

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Peace___Frog
07/13/12 6:16:00 PM
#413:


Just looking at Zyra, I feel like if you spam her seeds all over the place (do they cost any mana? doesn't look like it), you could do some intricate zoning and if you're really up on your micro you could avoid buying as many wards as mid. Spamming seeds everywhere would give you flexibity, and I feel like it could be strong in the right hands. It's just not ridiculous bursty damage like everyone has come to love with APs.

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Peace___Frog
07/13/12 6:23:00 PM
#414:


From: TheConductorSix | Posted: 7/13/2012 2:30:01 PM | #384
He's slow unless he spams abilities. spamming makes him blue dependent. This is a bad thing.



"Xin Zhao

Stats
Base armor decreased to 16 from 16.2
Armor per level decreased to 3.5 from 3.7
Base mana increased to 215 from 213
Mana per level increased to 35 from 31
AD per level decreased to 3 from 3.1"


Well, good thing he gets TWO EXTRA MANA for his base!
I dunno, just seems kind of a silly thing for Riot to spend time thinking about. I guess it's nice that they want to perfect things, but still.

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KamikazePotato
07/13/12 6:42:00 PM
#415:


Zyra will need a few weeks for people to actually come to a good conclusion on her. I don't buy people calling her weak at this stage, not when she's so different and probably hard to master. This has happened before.

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 7:25:00 PM
#416:


Peaf you should hop on.

I'm doing fun Normal games right now

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 7:31:00 PM
#417:


Communication wins bottom lane.

If you ever plan on supporting or AD Carrying please learn this fact. All the skill in the world means nothing if you're not working together.

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Peace___Frog
07/13/12 8:41:00 PM
#418:


Can't jump on, even though my family has FiOS it randomly shuts off for minutes at a time before deciding to get its act together. My uni internet was better than what I've been dealing with, and my uni isn't exactly known for great internet. Right, Sytha?

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masterplum
07/13/12 8:43:00 PM
#419:


More people should be talking about this great GP buff

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Peace___Frog
07/13/12 8:54:00 PM
#420:


I think I might have got GP with my last IP, way back when. He's definitely a jungler I want to learn.

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KommunistKoala
07/13/12 10:01:00 PM
#421:




Patch Preview; Malz and Sona changes/buffs as well as the obvious three reworks

Also they did something that almost made me choke up. Really awesome of them to do that

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KamikazePotato
07/13/12 10:22:00 PM
#422:


Yeah that thing they did was...man.

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 10:51:00 PM
#423:


Every time people complain about Riot I just wanna laugh and ask them "What More Do You Want?"

These guys not only listen to their fanbase on a level I've never personally seen---Birthday Party Fiddlesticks was user created and put in the game with enough votes---but they do things like the Jaximus skin.

Good for you Riot. Good for you.

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KommunistKoala
07/13/12 10:55:00 PM
#424:


TheConductorSix posted...
Birthday Party Fiddlesticks was user created and put in the game with enough votes.


Battle Bunny Riven too!

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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 11:41:00 PM
#425:


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TheConductorSix
07/13/12 11:42:00 PM
#426:


I have now carried myself back to 1500 elo with Taric.

Heal/Exhaust never get camped thank god junglers are bad.

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EDumey
07/13/12 11:58:00 PM
#427:


I hope GP remains relatively untouched from now until I get a chance to play again. That buff is ridiculously good.

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SovietGwindor
07/14/12 12:06:00 AM
#428:


Zyra's base stats are below average for mages, and she has no effective stats on her kit. I obviously don't know how good she is, but that's almost certainly the reason she feels weak to people. Her passive being a contender for worst in the game doesn't help either.

Xin is going to be a nightmare on dominion. He might be worse than monkey king. Maybe as good as poppy.

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Accel_R8
07/14/12 12:08:00 AM
#429:


Riot is a good company. Their only major problem is that their platform doesn't support BASIC things that it really should.

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Leafeon13N
07/14/12 12:39:00 AM
#430:


The malz buff. I am hyped.
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VincentLauw
07/14/12 3:55:00 AM
#431:


yessss Sona buff, I can start playing her again

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mcflubbin
07/14/12 6:27:00 AM
#432:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=306689
Wait a second, Flash is being removed? nuuuuuu

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profDEADPOOL
07/14/12 6:43:00 AM
#433:


From: mcflubbin | #432
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=306689
Wait a second, Flash is being removed? nuuuuuu

Boo. Nunu's ult is now much more annoying to deal with when he is top lane.

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VincentLauw
07/14/12 6:45:00 AM
#434:


From: mcflubbin | #432
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=306689
Wait a second, Flash is being removed? nuuuuuu

2010

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mcflubbin
07/14/12 7:18:00 AM
#435:


Oh God, didn't even notice that. My bad.
XD

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AlphaRayAllen
07/14/12 7:33:00 AM
#436:


From: SovietGwindor | #428
Her passive being a contender for worst in the game doesn't help either.


It apparently does true damage.

600 at some points.

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IhatethisCPU
07/14/12 12:08:00 PM
#437:


Won a ARAM game on the Murderbridge by backdooring. Probably for the best that they're shortening Twitch's stealth duration. >_>'

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SovietGwindor
07/14/12 12:19:00 PM
#438:


550 damage according to wiki.

on a skillshot.

It'll be really useful on dominion, now that I think about it.

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Peace___Frog
07/14/12 2:02:00 PM
#439:


Zyra's ultimate, when combined with Galio's and/or Amumu's, could make for some crazy combos.

Can the seeds/plants be targetted by Orianna's ball or, say, Janna's Shield? I suppose I have the same question for Heimer's turrets, since I've never really played him much either. And speaking of Janna, if Janna ults and an enemy Heimer turret / Zyra plant is in range, does it get moved?

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TheConductorSix
07/14/12 2:34:00 PM
#440:


All the trolls and bad players are worth it for those times when you get a solid party who helps you wards, doesn't over-react to every death, shows up for the timers you keep track of, and uses your wards to counter jungle properly.

People are slowly learning to stop look at kills as the sole factor of who's winning and realizing that even if you're down 3-4k gold you can still win if you play better.

I know my next 3 games will be filled with people yelling at every death, panicking about that death so they don't ward because "they need the gold to do big damagez", and general dickishness, but it's ok.

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KamikazePotato
07/14/12 5:46:00 PM
#441:


People are reporting skillshots passing through enemy champions and doing nothing. I am one of those people.

(not my video)

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/12 5:50:00 PM
#442:


It also happens a lot with Fizz's ultimate from what I've noticed.

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KamikazePotato
07/14/12 5:52:00 PM
#443:


It can happen with literally any skillshot, including ults. This really blows for me because all of my favorite champions are skillshot-based.

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Peace___Frog
07/14/12 6:23:00 PM
#444:


Someone in the comments of that video is claiming it's just a lag deferential, and while that might be part of it, I still think this sort of thing should be looked into.

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Silver_Ermine
07/14/12 6:24:00 PM
#445:


Yeah my Fizz ult has gone through people like 3 times in the last month or so.

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Justin_Crossing
07/14/12 6:33:00 PM
#446:


From: Peace___Frog | #444
Someone in the comments of that video is claiming it's just a lag deferential, and while that might be part of it, I still think this sort of thing should be looked into.

It's a recognized bug by riot

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KamikazePotato
07/14/12 6:33:00 PM
#447:


I disagree on the lag thing. In that video Corki was basically walking straight the entire time. Even if there's lag, he still would've been hit by the arrow on his end.

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IhatethisCPU
07/14/12 6:58:00 PM
#448:


I've had Ashe arrows completely miss look like they hit, and 'Mumu bandage tosses miss even though the other half is obviously through the victim's other side. Also had the opposite problem,though. This is nothing new, though.

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Accel_R8
07/15/12 12:04:00 AM
#449:


I occasionally run into this BS where stuff like Morgana's snare clearly fizzles and doesn't make contact, but "hits" anyway. So much anger.

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AlphaRayAllen
07/15/12 12:55:00 PM
#450:


http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/07/tenative-heimerdinger-rework-leaked.html

Heimerdinger is now a Gradius boss.

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