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saveus_cod
05/31/12 3:55:00 PM
#201:


only a literal racist would prevent Snoop Dogg from being in this contest.

the host is afraid that a black man could win his fanfiction MPFC contest imo

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05/31/12 3:56:00 PM
#202:


Kinglicious posted...
Yes. I'll also put in anagrams too. Only one I wouldn't is magneto that isn't magneto.


Which one of mine?

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 4:39:00 PM
#203:


if you mean which version, both. i'll just title one (Reduced) to keep it easy.

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Ayuyu
05/31/12 8:18:00 PM
#204:


I'll work more on my entries tomorrow, especially Meera, I spent my whole day at work thinking of a background and well, she pretty much changed completely, same concept and most powers are the same but the character itself is completely different.

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 9:34:00 PM
#205:


that's cool.
wiki should be 'done' in an hour. once i figured out how to link to specific parts on the page, it became a bit more interesting to play with some stuff and figured out how to do a couple things pretty easily. most of the job is a C&P and i'll add things on accordingly (like specific details covered not in the writeup but scattered through the topic) to keep the organization solid. for now i'll be the only one who can edit stuff, need to figure out the permissions and will get to that tomorrow.

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saveus_Maria
05/31/12 9:47:00 PM
#206:


I know you said that you were going to be working your way through the stuff slowly but uh is there anything I'd need to add to Keyuri before making a final version of the character?

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 10:01:00 PM
#207:


oh i'll be able to speed up soon, if for no other reason there's the weekend coming up. if there's anyone who wants a comment just ask and i'll read through it soon as i can.

so for Keyuri, only two things come to mind:
1) when the core is ruptured will she fade away immediately? gradually? like i had the personal mental image of her leaving like blood would leave a person or something; so a small wound wouldn't have her leave much, yet a big one will drain her away hard. though she can be pretty air-y. still, others could a 'gradual' effect like a balloon and air. that'd prob be the range you're looking at, from air to blood. not sure if you want to specify anything there (e.g., gradual or immediate, if gradual any comparisons).

2) this is a strange one but it almost seems like i have my own interp on the phantom goo already. i'm not sure if you intentionally left the kind of damage this sort of attack deals to interp or not. it's far from conventional so some may view it as strong against the living or weak against things with high magic res, while others could see it like Luna from Fire Emblem - just straight raw damage no matter what. just wondering if this was intentionally left as a ???

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saveus_Maria
05/31/12 10:10:00 PM
#208:


1. her ectoplasm will leak out of the core. like blood, I guess although she doesn't have as much of it as a normal person has blood. if the core gets pulled out and crushed she'd pretty much die instantly. she wouldn't "fade away" though because the doll would still be there, it just would be an actual lifeless doll and her presence would be gone. eerily similar to a mortal dying.

2. if I had to say, I think specifying how effective your attacks are against all different types of defenses makes for boring matches. people should be able to argue whether they believe magic resistance should be able to help against an attack that's supernatural but not magical in nature. if you just tell people, then there's nothing to argue about. and MPFC is all about arguing!

this gives me some stuff to think about for the final version though before I submit it.

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Haguile
05/31/12 10:11:00 PM
#209:


I'd like to enter The Michael Bay Man because this opportunity is too perfect to pass up. Can I do that?
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saveus_Maria
05/31/12 10:12:00 PM
#210:


yes

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 10:54:00 PM
#211:


man i remember that thing. also, my lack of originality shows but:
http://mpfc.wikidot.com/

hey, it's an easy to remember url. most everything is simple right now with the most complicated stuff being best shown in Roman: Within her writeup there are two links, Writeup and Details, and they serve to make it easier when postage hits. seemed like a good standard to pick really, i can just take a link to the writeup, C&P, then a link to description and C&P the link to save space.

but yeah, it still needs to be updated with stuff in the topic scattered here and there, but it's a start. intend to post anything from the topic under the characters (e.g., GANON answered some questions on his so they can get a link near the top on how some of those powers currently work) though if anything gets changed it's fine, the wiki'd just be edited accordingly. when the final version comes around, same deal.

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Anagram
05/31/12 10:55:00 PM
#212:


Is there room for more entries?

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 11:10:00 PM
#213:


yep. it's not gonna be a bracket-style "once and done kthxbai" kind of contest because it's a total waste of creativity like that. so if you've got other ideas, by all means throw 'em out there.

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GANON1025
05/31/12 11:12:00 PM
#214:


At this point, since a lot of things have changed/been ironed out since the first post, and there's a better understanding of how the contest will work and all, once the wiki is up to date it might make sense to make a new topic.

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Haguile
05/31/12 11:17:00 PM
#215:


I'm pretty sure I still have the ballad of Michael Bay Man so I'll get that and post it tomorrow.
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Pirateking2000
05/31/12 11:19:00 PM
#216:


Haguile posted...
I'm pretty sure I still have the ballad of Michael Bay Man so I'll get that and post it tomorrow.


MBM would be his own tier though

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Wanglicious
05/31/12 11:23:00 PM
#217:


mmm... yeah, that'd be a good idea. due to my initially low expectations (and thankfully, wrong) for how things could be this topic's rather convoluted and messy, but once updated it'll basically have a summary of everything in here. and at that point, makes perfect sense to bail and make a better one.

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saveus_Maria
06/01/12 12:30:00 AM
#218:


looks cool to me

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Pram_the_Oracle
06/01/12 4:49:00 AM
#219:


I'm okay with MBM being here!

Just checked the website. Liked the format.. lol Anastasia's title are all there. I don't see revised Eveny though.

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saveus_Maria
06/01/12 5:15:00 AM
#220:


I think revised Eveny should have her own page anyway, to avoid confusion when linking. it may not matter to us but if casuals are going to be voting. . . yeah, that could cause some issues. especially with the "revised" version further down the page!

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Wanglicious
06/01/12 9:29:00 PM
#221:


nobody expects a large saturday update.

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Ayuyu
06/01/12 9:32:00 PM
#222:


I've got much more content that I thought I would, didn't have the time to put it all down on, especially since it keeps coming.

I'm loving my character quite a bit now.

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Wanglicious
06/01/12 9:34:00 PM
#223:


that sounds like code for 'there will be a wall for you later.'
also i'd update stuff tonight really, but my net is being incredibly spotty at the moment. so yeah. easir to lump the update.

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Pram_the_Oracle
06/02/12 2:09:00 AM
#224:


Just the one terrain? Hmm...

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Wanglicious
06/02/12 7:38:00 PM
#225:


if wondering:
all reviews in the wait done tonight.

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Wanglicious
06/02/12 11:18:00 PM
#226:


wiki should also be updated sometime tonight...


edwards - Ika Tyranno.
i'm not sure you actually realize how crazy kaiju gets by how casual you're making the godzilla tidbits (especially as you aren't even specifying what godzilla you're talking about, and yes there's apparently a difference). though considering you have it 'impervious' to nukes or black magic unless it's for hilariously bad or cheesy effects' i guess that's the main weakness it has? should flesh out how deep that weakness is because let's face it: 'black magic' generally will be a couple levels under nukes in... almost all media. you prob also wanna detail more of its personality, besides 'eat everything,' but that's more optional than 'so anything comedy works but if it isn't then you need to be Kaiju level?' if that's the interp level - anything comedy to ??? magic needed to nukes - then uhh... okay. slightly wide range there.


Chrono - The Hyperorb.
i... actually can't think of anything bad to say on this. literally everything material-wise can be looked up and that's a pretty solid description of the amount of solid tungsten you're talking about. if you wanted to, you could flesh out how that nervous control works (e.g., could it make people kill themselves) but if you leave that to interp it'd be fine too. one of those 'up to you.'


GANON - The Disease That Hates
i again have nothing to really say on this. it's all pretty cleanly detailed and a very unique character that will be fun to put in. many thanks to you and that brain of yours for coming up with this.


Jeffery - Regal
i assume this 'miasma' is the same as the last character you had? that's... really the only major question there. i'm picturing this Natsu-Laxus hybrid of sorts (mostly Natsu) from Fairy Tail with Regal and i'm not sure how accurate that is. hell, Natsu's probably tankier but still. defense is the only possible question i could come up with but i can't find a problem with that either as he also seems fairly 'human' as a base with various types of magic to boost him up to superhuman levels, but nothing really extraordinary. if you want to specify some durability feats that's up to you. from what you wrote he really doesn't seem to be that far off from where a lot of guys will belong. if there's more details, feel free to plot 'em down because he's perfectly fine.


Kenri - Antitehesis
being straight? it's got some heavy anti-spiral vibes to it, only that it's beatable. yet unless you're... basically a shounen lead who will try to achieve victory even when it seems impossible and can 'level up', it... results in a loss. kinda makes for a polarizing result on a question there: can this character 'level up' or not. if not, they lose. if they can, they probably win. it's useful for a plot device in a story to show progress, but it's not really that good in a fight. it WOULD however be useful of a counter for some others i've said this to before (Eveny especially comes to mind) so maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to field a "Headdesk Tier" category because this isn't going to be something that stops and it'd allow more people to not just issue watered down things.

but also feel free to post the really long sci-fi guy. you will not be the first to do really long writeup. that's what the wiki is for!

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edwardsdv
06/02/12 11:31:00 PM
#227:


Hmm I understand what youre saying.

The idea was to have the fights ll take on that kind of kaiju feel, including that element of "somethings things just go wrong, but its not really necessary, just something i thought would make its matches more interesting to argue. Just a huge monster that isnt particularly smart, that is hungry for both food and more importantly energy sources, such as radiation and light based weaponry (like lasers and the like). I am going to flesh it out but I think I WILL allow black magic and kaiju level strength stuff to effect it, but nukes and things arguaby using radioactive powers probably POWER it further in classic kaiju style. I'll probably revisit the write up in more detail tomorrow.

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edwardsdv
06/02/12 11:32:00 PM
#228:


I was, for my part, referencing the later showa era godzilla who served as a hero monster.

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Kenri
06/02/12 11:55:00 PM
#229:


Didn't watch Gurren Lagann far enough to really get the Anti-Spiral references. My experience with it in terms of MPFC is basically limited to "it scales to the opponent, except when it doesn't", so that's not very helpful either. <_<

The thing I should probably spell out for AAC is that it can't ever scale to such a point where victory is impossible for its opponent, no matter who it's fighting. Some characters are of course going to have harder times - especially characters who rely on one gimmick - but I feel like it's still a character where you can reasonably argue it over anyone or anyone over it. ...That doesn't mean its matches wouldn't be boring or just a headache though. Boring, because like you said, voters could just reduce it to "Batman finds a way" or "Rand can't Balefire it, guess he loses", even though in theory both those matches are arguable. A headache, because even what general form it'll take for a specific opponent is open to interp.

Your call here, I won't be disappointed if it doesn't work out or anything. Would be fine with it being thrown in a Headdesk Tier, though if that's just the tier for the most broken things, I feel like it loses pretty badly. Can't really ever scale enough to pose a challenge to someone who's borderline omnipotent or whatever.

Will probably post the sci-fi guy eventually, want to make him less generic first. <_<; Also want to add to the fairy's writeup regarding her personality and fighting style, just in case it isn't clear from her spells and such.

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KanzarisKelshen
06/02/12 11:57:00 PM
#230:


Just pointing something out: As I read the Disease, it's unbeatable because it's never going to be in a vacuum...so it's always gonna be surrounded by matter. What stops it from just growing eternally and killing the opposition that way unless it's reality warped out?

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Drakeryn
06/03/12 12:07:00 AM
#231:


If I'm reading it right, it only consumes living matter and magic. So if it were in an urban environment from a universe without magic it could easily die before being able to attack the enemy.


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GANON1025
06/03/12 12:09:00 AM
#232:


Yeah, that's what I meant.

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 12:19:00 AM
#233:


mm... that's fair. and i was thinking of it being a broken tier but that's not quite right, it's more of 'this character will have bad matches with an overwhelming majority.' if it's super broken like that then yeah, that's a whoole other problem.

though from the sounds of it, batman would be arguable due to fitting pretty much all 3 prongs of clever, inventive, and very determined. rand would be screwed as it'd be immune to magic even with that kai powerup of his (since it's one of his items). i guess it belongs in more of a ??? land than a straight shoving into that category because it's really, really dependent on what we get. in the best case there would be a couple characters that'd lead to interesting matches and things would be fine. in the worst it'd go into that other tier where it's guys with stuff that doesn't quite work out for normal matches but may be interesting otherwise.

it's a good character to have both ways. either it fits fine in the normal part or it's one of the few characters who would work well in a tier of 'too perfect' or 'one trick pony' characters and is a good counter to have. if it's just plain broken to THAT level you mentioned then it's really just plain not worth being in any category as it can't give good matches. the biggest issue he really has ends up being that there's no... clear and straightforward way to win it from what the character can already do. maybe that's not the right phrase to use; the examples you listed to beat it are that somebody's flames improving to the point where they burned through the immunity (is this Needless all over again) or literally getting new powers. the bare hands one was interesting because it did show one notable weakness: it's only copying up to the powers that a person has grown to rely on. therefore if there are other ones then it may be fair game. using a Pokemon example this makes me think that if i have myself something like a Mewtwo fielding Psychic/Calm Mind/Psystrike/Brick Break, it'd be immune to psychic attacks just fine because 90% of the time that's what is being used. but that 10% of the time i'm probably gonna be okay.

i mean it's not a perfect analogy as it'd be forced to use the other move sometime or another (nor is it necessarily a good movestet >__>) but still, just the idea of 'you don't often use this so maybe...?' but yeah, where he'd fit would entirely depend on where the competition is. mainly because that's literally how his power works too.



(still gotta do Zodiac and SCP too. haven't forgotten, that was just post limit and i'm now catching up on some anime before posting stuff on that.)

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KanzarisKelshen
06/03/12 12:21:00 AM
#234:


From: Drakeryn | #231
If I'm reading it right, it only consumes living matter and magic. So if it were in an urban environment from a universe without magic it could easily die before being able to attack the enemy.


The problem is that there's way too much living stuff in an urban environment. You have trees, you have pets, you have bacteria everywhere. There's so much stuff to consume that it's never gonna stop growing. I get what the idea is - that it has to consume sentient or possibly even sapient beings - but that's not what's written.

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Drakeryn
06/03/12 12:24:00 AM
#235:


- trees - depends on the city, though it'd be pretty valid in some
- pets - I'd see these as being cleared out along with people unless the terrain states otherwise
- bacteria - so small that they'd only provide negligible sustenance imho


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KanzarisKelshen
06/03/12 12:38:00 AM
#236:


No denying that, but isn't that all the disease needs to keep going? What the writeup says is 'it shrinks when it isn't devouring anything'. If it's devouring bacteria, it's not shrinking. Even if it's not growing, all it needs to do is get close anyway and then it's game, set and match. You can't interact with it without reality warping or ultratech, which makes it susceptible to a vanishingly small group of fighters.

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Kenri
06/03/12 12:43:00 AM
#237:


mm... that's fair. and i was thinking of it being a broken tier but that's not quite right, it's more of 'this character will have bad matches with an overwhelming majority.' if it's super broken like that then yeah, that's a whoole other problem.

Nah, that's exactly what I'm saying. It works fine with other problematic or gimmicky characters, but just top tier guys like Cthulhu or Dark Schneider? Ehhh. I think it loses pretty badly there. Luckily nobody has proposed anyone like that yet.

maybe that's not the right phrase to use; the examples you listed to beat it are that somebody's flames improving to the point where they burned through the immunity (is this Needless all over again) or literally getting new powers.

I actually didn't mention how that character beat it. It countered her by being strong enough to beat her immunity.

But yeah, Mewtwo's a good example. It would be immune to Psychic powers there, so the argument is: does Mewtwo figure that out and start using other means to fight, or is he too proud to believe that anyone could ever be immune to his powers and thus keep trying? I guess that's anime Mewtwo more than game Mewtwo but whatever.

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 12:44:00 AM
#238:


personally i just see it work on multicellular organisms. y'know, the 'normal' way that these things tend to work.

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 12:47:00 AM
#239:


...though really uh, if it's eating bacteria then there's no more bacteria where that was.
in which case it shrinks. >_>;

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KanzarisKelshen
06/03/12 12:54:00 AM
#240:


From: Wanglicious | #239
...though really uh, if it's eating bacteria then there's no more bacteria where that was.
in which case it shrinks. >_>;


Only if it remains static. Though I agree that if it's specified to be limited to multicellular organisms it becomes far more reasonable. Would probably be a good idea to specify it to avoid headaches down the line.

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 2:57:00 AM
#241:


Ayuyu - Zodiac
Zodiac's problems are... well, let's see.
- we don't know what "month" she's fighting under. that aspect of time hasn't really been explored much within mpfc contests and in something like this can result in a very messy situation.

- a lot of her powers speak in absolutes when they really, really shouldn't. 'protects against everything,' 'cut into anything,' 'will not fall for whatever reasons,' how a person who can run at 100 MPH can 'dodge most attacks without real problem,' etc. some of them just plain don't even logically make sense - if you don't even move then there is nothing to predict of what you're going to do in a speed-related power, that's precog. there's literally nothing to observe. same goes for those chakrams of 'so fast they inflict damage before being thrown' - that has nothing to do with speed. you don't even shoot for an interp, you just shoot for as far an extreme as you can get which results in a really bad powerset.

- then you just plain have the vague, "almighty sea serpent'? 'summons leviathan'? 'one of the opponent's limbs'?

beyond that there are a number of broken combinations there - make a clone in the month of 'transfer all damage and have it get almost killed before doing the flip, make a clone in the month of 'turn limbs to gold' and do that from both the original and the clone before sending out some cut through anything chakrams or paralysis darts in 'all directions' or transform into an acid spitting 'almighty' sea serpent that's got a free life, make the illusion of what they want the most and do any of the above again.

i mean from the sounds of it, she's pretty much straight left with only 12 (13 with clone, or more than that depending on the illusions one) moves before she's reduced to... another part that doesn't make sense. if she can throw these unlimited supply chakrams accurately then that doesn't make her at all seem 'nearly worthless.' she's got chakrams around her at all times and is good at using 'em. i assume they don't suck (don't know what to think of 'em really) and she's rather good at using 'em. her powers are all over the place though and her body makes the defense ones matter considerably less - a glass cannon basically. sure you CAN be invincible but it sure would be better if you could make some auto-inflicting cuts anything for eternity blades that defy all logic, common sense, and physics. it's just a mess in way too many areas, including the concept of what month it is, to work well in these types of competitions.

<_<; also man are you bitter to include pluto. you also seem to forget that the zodiac isn't a constant time period and that it actually changed recently once people figured out that, based on the way it's done, the signs have been wrong for years.

GANON - SCP-1011
i have no idea how this site works but this is strangely descriptive. limits, powers, unique traits and powers. can't complain on anything there. nobody knows how it fights exactly but it's a machine, so it's only natural to assume that, at the lack of description, it'd follow a very robot-like route of efficiency, effectiveness, and logic. pretty interesting one and thankfully the Hyperorb is TOO BIG for it. initially.

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Pram_the_Oracle
06/03/12 5:56:00 AM
#242:


Heh, forgot about the questions left about Anastasia.

i don't know what the high end of breaking those things are still, like from the sounds of it bleach characters wouldn't be able to either, to use a more well known 'high end' shounen show.

Hmm... well, there's a Supes expy on the world she's currently at, and he can't break them (He's far weaker than peak Supes, of course). His feat includes pushing a demon-possesed space-station into a a portal where a pissed off goddess is waiting (with some boost), and that thing REALLY didn't want to get pushed in. He also wielded a sword the size of skyscraper once, which he wrested out of his opponent's hands. I doubt Eveny's comet dagger can break 'em.

Let's put it on Planet Buster.

can you clarify a bit more on the time powers?

With all her powers combined...

Basically, she displaces her senses to a different point of space/time, and can even alter how fast time goes by for those senses. Which means she can't use her senses at that point. It would be a weakness... problem is, her mind processes the info way too fast to take advantage of by most people, and she usually leaves an eye and an ear in the present in any case.

She can alter the future she sees(or hears, or feels, etc) by changing how she'll act. For instance, in a poker game, she can test out what would happen if she changes her bet or make different fake tells. She has no time or range limitations. Her record so far is cramming and processing a year's worth of information in a split-second, though it really depends on a variety of factors, most importantly is how adaptable and powerful her obstacle is. For example, a person who has an insanely large plethora of weapons that they use on different of situations would take more time to map out all possible routes as compared to, say, a robot designed to shoot anything that comes into range.

She might be shocked enough by what she sees that she might get distracted enough in the present to take advantage of, though it's rare that this happens.

Miscellaneous info include attacks that require her senses not affecting her if they're displaced (such as, hypnotic music she hears in 10 years won't affect her in the present, and looking at a chaotic creature in the past that induces madness doesn't affect her either), the ability not being magical in nature, and that it differentiates "fake" information (when she faced the 1st Apostle, she was bombarded with illusions of all kinds on all her senses, but she can tell what's fake or not. Fake visions look faded and off-color, and fake sounds have an unusual echo effect.) The last thing only holds true if someone tries to trick her senses directly, so a shapeshifter can still trick her. If she didn't bother looking at someone into the past and/or future long enough.

Among her more mundane usage is to read ahead on her favorite novels, to make healthy food more palatable, and spy on her shipping targets.

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Pram_the_Oracle
06/03/12 6:12:00 AM
#243:


Also, had a terrain idea about a fight inside a planet's core, but it's wonky.

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GANON1025
06/03/12 7:28:00 AM
#244:


OK, in the next revision I'll make sure to mention multicellular organisms, if people think it makes it more clear/fairer.

As for SCP-1011, it would start out in battles as big as shown in the picture, as in a full multi-car train with mechanical wings. So I think that's big enough to get the hyperorb?

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JeffreyRaze
06/03/12 10:48:00 AM
#245:


i assume this 'miasma' is the same as the last character you had? that's... really the only major question there.

Yeah. They're both from the same story, though Regal's from the sequel of sorts. I think Regal is technically Tenma's nephew through his half brother. No relation to any demons though.

i'm picturing this Natsu-Laxus hybrid of sorts (mostly Natsu) from Fairy Tail with Regal and i'm not sure how accurate that is. hell, Natsu's probably tankier but still. defense is the only possible question i could come up with but i can't find a problem with that either as he also seems fairly 'human' as a base with various types of magic to boost him up to superhuman levels, but nothing really extraordinary. if you want to specify some durability feats that's up to you. from what you wrote he really doesn't seem to be that far off from where a lot of guys will belong. if there's more details, feel free to plot 'em down because he's perfectly fine.

Never read/watched Fairy Tail, so can't comment on that. I'd peg his durability as very slightly below peak human, though he does have healing magic precise enough to basically be regen. Not very fast regen though, outside of one instance where he had outside help anyways. He really has no durability feats, mostly because he very, very rarely gets hit by anything. He can block virtually anything up to and including large blasts of magic thanks to his reflexes and gauntlets. He is more or less human at base, except for his speed. Think Usain Bolt times 1.5, with extreme control over his actions.

I think that's mostly covers Regal. He has one other trick, but he can't really use it outside of specific circumstances, so I'm not going to include it.

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saveus_Maria
06/03/12 11:15:00 AM
#246:


I was just re-reading the Roman write-up and it dawned on me that there's some inception-tier **** going on in there. the childhood friend otome is a fictional character within a game universe, which is already like a dream within a dream. except you have to remember that this game (Harem Tactics) isn't real either - it's also fictional. so she's literally a fictional video game character within a game that exists in a fictional canon.

DEEP

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 11:19:00 AM
#247:


man. so he's spiderman.

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Wanglicious
06/03/12 2:26:00 PM
#248:


so the wiki now has the updated comments on:

D Money
Meera
Anjori
Anastasia
Keyuri

i held back from updating Ika because it'll probably just be a re-write instead soon that covers those things and it was more of a 'i've got some stuff to figure out' than actual extra stuff. Disease that Hates is in a similar boat. Regal and Antithesis will also be updated before the hour's up.

Eveny also got her revised version split off to a separate page.
added in a contest format page too with the tiered league idea.

i think that's everything for now?


also, ganon - yeah, if it starts off that big it probably is large enough. haven't done the math nor do i know the measurementsthese things have but initial reaction goes it certainly SEEMS long enough if it's a full multi-car train.

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Natwaf_akidna
06/03/12 3:24:00 PM
#249:


Oh, just realized my character has a wall tag.

Heh.

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Ayuyu
06/03/12 3:34:00 PM
#250:


When I'll post my Meera update you'll have to re-update all that!

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