Board 8 > I talked with my parents. I'm glad they accept me for who I am...

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Raka_Putra 04/14/12 7:43:00 AM #1:	My mother took it very well, actually. She said parents shouldn't make their children choose something they don't want to. My dad asked me questions and I could feel the uncertainty he was feeling, but in the end he said it was okay. I'm so glad and happy now. This is about me choosing to study Information System and Technology instead of Informatics. Any misleading implications are not accidental. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031004] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> My mother took it very well, actually. She said parents shouldn't make their children choose something they don't want to. My dad asked me questions and I could feel the uncertainty he was feeling, but in the end he said it was okay. I'm so glad and happy now.This is about me choosing to study Information System and Technology instead of Informatics. Any misleading implications are not accidental. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/14/12 7:44:00 AM #2:	oh, I thought this wuld be about you liking MMDs. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:1031005] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> oh, I thought this wuld be about you liking MMDs. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 04/14/12 7:46:00 AM #3:	oh, I thought this wuld be about you liking penises. -- Thanks Drak - http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/genesissagajpgat.jpg You're such a kid! By fr0q. - http://img.imgcake.com/genirisjpgde.jpg <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:1031006] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> oh, I thought this wuld be about you liking penises. -- Thanks Drak - http://img.imgcake.com/drakeryn/genesissagajpgat.jpg You're such a kid! By fr0q. - http://img.imgcake.com/genirisjpgde.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 7:47:00 AM #4:	No, that would require better planning to tell them. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031007] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> No, that would require better planning to tell them. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 7:49:00 AM #5:	...It was supposed to be a reply to voltch's post, but whatever. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031008] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> ...It was supposed to be a reply to voltch's post, but whatever. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phase 04/14/12 7:50:00 AM #6:	I am sorely disappointed this was not Fresh Prince. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) <cite>Phase posted [p:1031009] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> I am sorely disappointed this was not Fresh Prince. -- assert(!hotterThan(foo, "Hot Nymphomaniacal Lesbian Mind-Controlling Dominatrix Fairy Doctors with glasses")) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 04/14/12 7:54:00 AM #7:	wtf is informatics? -- _foolmo_ 'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:1031010] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> wtf is informatics? -- _foolmo_'It's easy to get yourself in trouble if you start quoting people who don't like you in your signature' - Mods </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 7:54:00 AM #8:	otouto likes pen-... wait what?! -- "nio's turning me on" - CrimsonOcean <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031011] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> otouto likes pen-... wait what?! -- "nio's turning me on" - CrimsonOcean </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 7:56:00 AM #9:	... oh yeah, you had bad grades. The hell is informatics? -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031012] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> ... oh yeah, you had bad grades.The hell is informatics? -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 04/14/12 7:57:00 AM #10:	Probably Computer Science. That's what ''informatique'' means in French so I assume it's similar. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:1031013] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Probably Computer Science.That's what ''informatique'' means in French so I assume it's similar. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:00:00 AM #11:	*Phase posted...* I am sorely disappointed this was not Fresh Prince. That's not a bad idea, now that you mentioned it... *foolm0ron posted...* wtf is informatics? Information Technology or whatever. *GuessMyUserName posted...* otouto likes pen-... wait what?! Oh Lisa. >_> *Pram_the_Oracle posted...* ... oh yeah, you had bad grades. The hell is informatics? I didn't tell them that! Teknik Informatika *Ayuyu posted...* Probably Computer Science. That's what ''informatique'' means in French so I assume it's similar. ...maybe? -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031014] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Phase posted...I am sorely disappointed this was not Fresh Prince.That's not a bad idea, now that you mentioned it...foolm0ron posted...wtf is informatics?Information Technology or whatever.GuessMyUserName posted...otouto likes pen-... wait what?!Oh Lisa. >_>Pram_the_Oracle posted...... oh yeah, you had bad grades.The hell is informatics?I didn't tell them that!Teknik InformatikaAyuyu posted...Probably Computer Science.That's what ''informatique'' means in French so I assume it's similar....maybe? -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 04/14/12 8:01:00 AM #12:	Oh yeah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics_%28academic_field%29 -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:1031015] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Oh yeah.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics_%28academic_field%29 -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 04/14/12 8:02:00 AM #13:	So I guess the better question is what is the difference between Informatics and Information System and Technology -- _foolmo_ 'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:1031016] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> So I guess the better question is what is the difference between Informatics and Information System and Technology -- _foolmo_'To be foolmo'd is to be better opinion'd.' - Blairville </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:07:00 AM #15:	*Ayuyu posted...* Oh yeah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics_%28academic_field%29 nods *foolm0ron posted...* So I guess the better question is what is the difference between Informatics and Information System and Technology That's what Wikipedia is for. *NioraptH posted...* Yay congrats Raka.... Oh.. it's not about that... Well, congrats Raka anyway~ Of course not! Thank you. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031018] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Ayuyu posted...Oh yeah.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatics_%28academic_field%29nodsfoolm0ron posted...So I guess the better question is what is the difference between Informatics and Information System and TechnologyThat's what Wikipedia is for.NioraptH posted...Yay congrats Raka....Oh.. it's not about that...Well, congrats Raka anyway~Of course not! Thank you. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 8:10:00 AM #16:	From: NioraptH \| Posted: 4/14/2012 11:05:15 AM \| #014 Oh.. it's not about that... next time... -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/Kyarygifhy.gif <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031019] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> From: NioraptH \| Posted: 4/14/2012 11:05:15 AM \| #014Oh.. it's not about that...next time... -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/Kyarygifhy.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 04/14/12 8:20:00 AM #17:	Your parents can now watch you enjoying this. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. <cite>voltch posted [p:1031020] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Your parents can now watch you enjoying this. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:21:00 AM #18:	No way! Nio and Natwaf know how impossible it would be to come out and not get kicked out. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031021] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> No way! Nio and Natwaf know how impossible it would be to come out and not get kicked out. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 8:24:00 AM #19:	your onee-samas will accept you~ -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/beckydancegifaq.gif <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031022] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> your onee-samas will accept you~ -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/beckydancegifaq.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 8:35:00 AM #20:	I didn't tell them that! XD So, the university doesn't inform the parents directly? -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031023] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> I didn't tell them that!XDSo, the university doesn't inform the parents directly? -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:35:00 AM #21:	*voltch posted...* Your parents can now watch you enjoying this. ^_^ *GuessMyUserName posted...* your onee-samas will accept you~ Send me tickets to go to Malaysia or...wherever it is you live. The UK? -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031024] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> voltch posted...Your parents can now watch you enjoying this.^_^GuessMyUserName posted...your onee-samas will accept you~Send me tickets to go to Malaysia or...wherever it is you live. The UK? -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:36:00 AM #22:	*Pram_the_Oracle posted...* I didn't tell them that! XD So, the university doesn't inform the parents directly? Of course not. Yours did? -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031025] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Pram_the_Oracle posted...I didn't tell them that!XDSo, the university doesn't inform the parents directly?Of course not. Yours did? -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 8:37:00 AM #23:	Canada -- http://www.gamerhandles.com/sig/GuessMyUserName.jpg <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031026] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Canada -- http://www.gamerhandles.com/sig/GuessMyUserName.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 8:38:00 AM #25:	Yep. Of course, I never had anything to worry about, other than German. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031028] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Yep.Of course, I never had anything to worry about, other than German. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:39:00 AM #26:	Oh, I'd love to visit Canada. There are maple syrup, polar bears, Scott Pilgrim, and Knives Chau. So do you want me to send my address via PM or email? I'll be waiting for the tickets. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031029] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Oh, I'd love to visit Canada. There are maple syrup, polar bears, Scott Pilgrim, and Knives Chau.So do you want me to send my address via PM or email? I'll be waiting for the tickets. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:41:00 AM #27:	*NioraptH posted...* From: Raka_Putra \| #018 No way! Nio and Natwaf know how impossible it would be to come out and not get kicked out. And simply getting kicked out is the best possible outcome tbqh <_< Raka, jom kahwin! Kalau kita kahwin, mesti ibu bapa kita tak suspek yang kita tak empunya minat yang normal. Yeah, we could get stoned! D: Bring me a blue feather first. :> *Pram_the_Oracle posted...* Yep. Of course, I never had anything to worry about, other than German. Huh. Oh, I'm jelly. Where and what did you study again? -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031030] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> NioraptH posted...From: Raka_Putra \| #018No way! Nio and Natwaf know how impossible it would be to come out and not get kicked out.And simply getting kicked out is the best possible outcome tbqh <_<Raka, jom kahwin! Kalau kita kahwin, mesti ibu bapa kita tak suspek yang kita tak empunya minat yang normal.Yeah, we could get stoned! D: Bring me a blue feather first. :> Pram_the_Oracle posted...Yep.Of course, I never had anything to worry about, other than German.Huh.Oh, I'm jelly. Where and what did you study again? -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 8:43:00 AM #28:	Man, I keep picturing a Will and Grace sinetron everytime y'all joke about it. Accounting, Swiss German University. Damn the mandatory German course >_> -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031031] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Man, I keep picturing a Will and Grace sinetron everytime y'all joke about it.Accounting, Swiss German University. Damn the mandatory German course >_> -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:47:00 AM #30:	Looked up Will & Grace. Yeah, I could see it. ...wait, I think this is the first time I've heard of it. I thought you went to an Indonesian college. Huh. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031033] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Looked up Will & Grace. Yeah, I could see it....wait, I think this is the first time I've heard of it. I thought you went to an Indonesian college. Huh. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:48:00 AM #31:	*NioraptH posted...* From: Raka_Putra \| #027 Yeah, we could get stoned! D: Bring me a blue feather first. :> The bad kind of stoned lol. Eh? Pihak lelaki yang kena bagi bulu pelepah biru kan? Kenapa saya pula yang kena cari benda itu.... moooo.... XD Oh yeah, totally forgot about the other meaning. But you're the seme, right? :P -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031034] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> NioraptH posted...From: Raka_Putra \| #027Yeah, we could get stoned! D:Bring me a blue feather first. :>The bad kind of stoned lol.Eh? Pihak lelaki yang kena bagi bulu pelepah biru kan? Kenapa saya pula yang kena cari benda itu.... moooo....XD Oh yeah, totally forgot about the other meaning.But you're the seme, right? :P -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 8:49:00 AM #32:	tickets will have to wait until I became successful <_< -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~&amp;gt;[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031035] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> tickets will have to wait until I became successful <_< -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~&amp;gt;[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 8:50:00 AM #33:	Briefly went to ITB, but I didn't like living in Bandung. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031036] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Briefly went to ITB, but I didn't like living in Bandung. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 8:52:00 AM #34:	*GuessMyUserName posted...* tickets will have to wait until I became successful <_< Fair enough! *Pram_the_Oracle posted...* Briefly went to ITB, but I didn't like living in Bandung. I didn't know that either! SBM? -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031037] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> GuessMyUserName posted...tickets will have to wait until I became successful <_<Fair enough!Pram_the_Oracle posted...Briefly went to ITB, but I didn't like living in Bandung.I didn't know that either! SBM? -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 8:55:00 AM #36:	Biology. A proposal? SQUEEEEEEEEEEE- ahem Carry on. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031039] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Biology.A proposal? SQUEEEEEEEEEEE-ahemCarry on. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/14/12 9:03:00 AM #37:	*NioraptH posted...* From: Raka_Putra \| #031 XD Oh yeah, totally forgot about the other meaning. But you're the seme, right? :P Actually... there's literally nothing bad about hooking up with Raka.. I get a shota husbando to stare at everyday, Raka gets to be Raka.... win win really. ....urgh FINE!!! Raka.. will you marry me? Ah...umm...o////////o I...I don't know. Let me think! -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031040] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> NioraptH posted...From: Raka_Putra \| #031XD Oh yeah, totally forgot about the other meaning.But you're the seme, right? :PActually... there's literally nothing bad about hooking up with Raka.. I get a shota husbando to stare at everyday, Raka gets to be Raka.... win win really.....urgh FINE!!!Raka.. will you marry me?Ah...umm...o////////oI...I don't know. Let me think! -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 04/14/12 9:09:00 AM #39:	Of course not. My answer is...yes! I'm so happy~ I have one condition though: Don't ever mention Ash Crimson again. :3 -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031042] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Of course not.My answer is...yes! I'm so happy~I have one condition though: Don't ever mention Ash Crimson again. :3 -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 04/14/12 9:18:00 AM #41:	oh my god onee-chan's the most impure -- "Hell yeah, mah titays be huge!" - GenesisSaga <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:1031044] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> oh my god onee-chan's the most impure -- "Hell yeah, mah titays be huge!" - GenesisSaga </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blindhobo13 04/14/12 9:38:00 AM #42:	You do like dicks though, right? <cite>blindhobo13 posted [p:1031045] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> You do like dicks though, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 9:42:00 AM #43:	Welp, time to update the chart. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031046] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Welp, time to update the chart. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MajinZidane 04/14/12 10:26:00 AM #45:	i shoulda made a topic when i switched from general biology to biology specializing in microbiology. i still haven't found it in me to tell my parents... -- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." <cite>MajinZidane posted [p:1031048] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> i shoulda made a topic when i switched from general biology to biology specializing in microbiology.i still haven't found it in me to tell my parents... -- Virtue - "You don't need a reason to Boko United." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 10:26:00 AM #46:	Shipping chart -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031049] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Shipping chart -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pram_the_Oracle 04/14/12 10:35:00 AM #48:	If you can kink out the Ash thing, sure. Right now, it's in the maybe column. I'm still leaning grouping you with Crimson. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1031051] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> If you can kink out the Ash thing, sure. Right now, it's in the maybe column. I'm still leaning grouping you with Crimson. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raka_Putra 04/15/12 10:16:00 PM #49:	No go then. -- Oh, I am one yet many. <cite>Raka_Putra posted [p:1031052] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> No go then. -- Oh, I am one yet many. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ace_Killjoy 04/15/12 10:33:00 PM #50:	Congrats on switching to something that honestly sounds similar but I'm too tired to tell the difference! Also, that ship ran aground before it even set sail. -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force. http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png <cite>Ace_Killjoy posted [p:1031053] in I talked w... [t:62539975]...</cite> <quote> Congrats on switching to something that honestly sounds similar but I'm too tired to tell the difference!Also, that ship ran aground before it even set sail. -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force.http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/AceKilljoyShieldpngyp.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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