Board 8 > Anyone else in the mood for a Best Console Ever debate?

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Genesis 7 slots too low

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I have put hundreds of hours into FFX and thousands of hours into my PS2.

But I have spill spent MUCH more time on PC gaming on Blizzard games alone.


Best console in general? Probably PS2.

But Best console for me specifically? PC easily.


Right now my big game is LoL and it was completely free but has a great competitive scene and keeps me completely and enjoyable occupied.

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So this topic went well, I'd say! Just wanted to emphasize this link:


http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/


Really an invaluable resource for anyone trying to find the quality games of a given platform. Thanks again to whoever posted it

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backwards compatible PS3 is the only answer.

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For those who're interested, I typed up a somewhat comprehensive Genesis/SNES comparison. Naturally, I'm only considering exclusives, and only considering original Genesis titles:

Platformer
Sonic 1, 2, 3, Knuckles vs. Super Mario World 1, 2, All-Stars
Rocket Knight Adventures, Sparkster vs. Sparkster
Mega Man: Wily Wars vs. Mega Man 7, X1, X2, X3, & Forte
Vectorman 1, 2 vs. Donkey Kong Country 1, 2, 3
Kid Chameleon vs. Kirby Superstar, Dreamland 3
Dynamite Headdy vs. Plok

Other Genesis notables: Ristar
Other SNES notables: --

This just about covers all the notable platformers for both systems. Surprisingly close, and frankly could go either way. The SNES Megaman library is significantly larger, though.

Action
Beyond Oasis vs. Legend of Zelda: LttP
Castlevania: Bloodlines vs. Super Castlevania IV, Dracula X
Contra: Hard Corps vs. Contra III
Mega Bomberman vs. Super Bomberman 1/2/3/4/5
Revenge of Shinobi / Shinobi 3 vs. Ninja Gaiden Trilogy, Legend of the Mystical Ninja, Hagane

Other Genesis notables: Alien Soldier, Crusader of Centy, Gunstar Heroes, Ranger-X,
Other SNES notables: Act Raiser 1/2, [BS Zelda Maps 1/2,] Claymates, Demon's Crest, Goof Troop, Indiana Jones, [LttP: Ancient Stone Tablets,] Metal Warriors, Sky Blazer, Super Metroid, Super Star Wars trilogy, Yoshi's Safari

I've put BS titles in brackets for two reasons: 1) I'm not sure we're including them, and 2) I don't know much about the Genesis network. Even still, SNES wins this one pretty handily: all of the notable Genesis action titles have comparable SNES counterparts, and the library depth is much greater.

RPG
jRPG
Phantasy Star II vs. Dragon Quest I + II
Phantasy Star IV vs. Chrono Trigger

Other Genesis notables: --
Other SNES notables: Breath of Fire, Breath of Fire II, Dragon Quest V/VI, Earthbound, Final Fantasy IV/V/VI/MQ, Lufia, Lufia II, Romancing SaGa 1/2/3, Super Mario RPG, Treasure of the Rudras

sRPG
Shining Force I / II vs. Fire Emblem 3/4/5

Other Genesis notables: --
Other SNES notables: Bahamut Lagoon, Ogre Battle, Tactics Ogre, Treasure Hunter G

aRPG
Landstalker vs. Terranigma

Other Genesis notables: --
Other SNES notables: E.V.O, Illusion of Gaia, Popful Mail, Secret of Evermore, Seiken Densetsu II/III, Soul Blazer, Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia, Live-a-Live

PSIV and CT are juxtaposed for the simple reason that they're often considered the best RPGs on their respective systems. This is basically a clean sweep for the SNES.

Now for the genres I'm less well-read about:

Racing
Super Monaco GP vs. F-Zero, [F-Zero 2,] Super Mario Kart

That's about it for exclusives on the SNES side of things, but if I'm missing some Genesis titles, someone let me know.

Puzzle
Pretty sure this comes down to Tetris Attack / Panel de Pon vs. Columns 3, which means the SNES has an edge.

Fighter / Beat 'em Up
As far as I know, most of these are available on both consoles. Comix Zone and Golden Axe 1/2/3 put Genesis over the top, although I may be missing some notable exclusives.

Sports & Shmups
These are hardly worth going into, as the Genesis is universally considered the clear favorite here.


In conclusion, the Genesis is the clear winner in terms of sports (though they've aged badly) and shmups (still wonderful today), has an arguable lead in terms of Beat 'em Ups, and can hold its own when it comes to platformers, but has small loses in the Puzzle/Racing categories, a rather large loss in the Action department, and gets blown out in terms of RPGs.

I wonder how things would shape up when we included the Sega CD/32X? Curious to hear thoughts on this.

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Beat 'em up is lopsided in favor of Genesis. even if you don't like Golden Axe or Comix Zone, Streets of Rage 2 and Bare Knuckle 3 are two of the best games in the genre and SNES has nothing comparable outside of TMNT which both consoles have a variation of. has Splatterhouse 2 and 3 as well.

if you count only US releases, Genesis wins puzzle games. it has Klax and Shove It in addition to the Dr R's MBM and Columns

Genesis has Road Rash series for racing, but I don't think either console is particularly good in that genre. SNES probably wins on the strength of F-Zero, Super Mario Kart, and Top Gear series.

if you count only US releases, I think they're pretty close on RPGs. if you factor in Japan only releases, SNES obliterates the Genesis. I don't think any sRPG on the SNES is as good as Shining Force 2 though.

it's also worth mentioning that two of your "also notables" are two of the best games listed at all. Ristar and Gunstar Heroes are both top 10 games of the generation.

obviously Genesis wins in spaceship shooters. that's about as lopsided as SNES is for RPGs.

and this may catch flak (I dunno what the consensus is) but I think of all those Mega Man games listed, only X1 is particularly good. the rest, eh. Wily Wars is a port of the NES ones, right? so that might be okay.

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re: sega CD and 32x, nothing good AFAIK, can safely regard those pieces of hardware

maybe Sonic CD I guess, but it's the weakest of the 16 bit Sonic games

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This is where an edit function would come in handy, since I know I missed a ton of games.

Beat 'em up is lopsided in favor of Genesis. even if you don't like Golden Axe or Comix Zone, Streets of Rage 2 and Bare Knuckle 3 are two of the best games in the genre and SNES has nothing comparable outside of TMNT which both consoles have a variation of. has Splatterhouse 2 and 3 as well.

I'll have to add those to the list. Is Splatterhouse 2 worth playing, however? The GameFAQs reviews have it at ~6, much lower than the well-received 3.

if you count only US releases, Genesis wins puzzle games. it has Klax and Shove It in addition to the Dr R's MBM and Columns

Seriously, how did I leave this one off? Ugh. Still not sold on the Genesis winning here. Quantity is nice, but it doesn't seem like Shove It is particularly good (although Klax looks really interesting, so I'll have to give it a try). But Panel de Pon is the puzzle game from the fourth generation!

We may just have to leave this one at a tie based on quantity-vs.-quality.

if you count only US releases, I think they're pretty close on RPGs. if you factor in Japan only releases, SNES obliterates the Genesis. I don't think any sRPG on the SNES is as good as Shining Force 2 though.

Better than Fire Emblem 4/5? :O

And I actually left off some notable Genesis sRPGs, the Langrisser series in particular. Makes things in that sub-genre a little more balanced.

it's also worth mentioning that two of your "also notables" are two of the best games listed at all. Ristar and Gunstar Heroes are both top 10 games of the generation.

Absolutely. To clarify, "other notables" aren't necessarily better or worse than the games I put in list format; it's just that they didn't have any clear SNES counterparts. Ristar and GH are absolutely incredible.

obviously Genesis wins in spaceship shooters. that's about as lopsided as SNES is for RPGs.

Indeed.

and this may catch flak (I dunno what the consensus is) but I think of all those Mega Man games listed, only X1 is particularly good. the rest, eh. Wily Wars is a port of the NES ones, right? so that might be okay.

Wily Wars is a port of 1-3 with an extra game mode added in (you can use the weapons from all three games in some new levels). It's controversial, mainly because of the music, but I feel it's excellent; you should give it a shot if you haven't already.

I'll have to get back to you on the 32X/CD, but there's a lot more there than you're giving it credit for!

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I guess I really am out of touch, or something. I'm REALLY surprised at all this PS2 love... the PS2 doesn't even enter into consideration for me. I don't know if I can think of a single PS2 game I'd put in my top 25 games. Oh, maybe MGS2.

For me it's a close contest between the SNES and the PS1. There are actually a lot of direct comparisons. The SNES had FF4, FF6, and Chrono Trigger - the PS1 had FF7, FF9, and Xenogears. The SNES had SM, the PS1 had SotN. F-Zero vs Gran Turismo. As far as differences, the SNES had a bunch of great platformers. And it had LttP. But the PS1 also had stuff completely unlike anything on the SNES, like Silent Hill. And I think it had more good RPGs, like Suikoden 2 and FFT. It's basically a tossup.

I think the rest of my top is NES, GBA, and 360 in some order. Even though I play the PS3 more than the 360, a lot of the games I've liked for it also are on 360, and lots of times they come out first there (like Braid). The NES was low tech, but still lots of fun - and probably still the biggest jump in gaming technology from its predecessors - I couldn't play an Atari game now, but I can still have fun with NES games.

1. PS1
2. SNES
3. NES
4. 360
5. GBA

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For Omar, here's a little list of CD/32X notables:

32X: Only three here really worth mentioning. Knuckles Chaotix is the weakest Sonic platformer on the Genesis, but still respectable (and looks/sounds great); Virtua Fighter has a notable place in VG history as one of the first 3D fighters; and Space Harrier on the 32X is the definitive home port.

CD: Things get much more interesting here. For platformers, you've got Sega CD; for action games, an english Popful Mail and a superior version of Ecco the Dolphin (which I forgot to mention, d'oh!). Much nicer selection of RPGs and strategy games, too, including the two Lunar game, Vay, Dark Wizard (which I've played; overrated and a little clunky, but pretty okay), and Shining Force CD.

So as far as original, non-shmup titles go, here are the notables:

Dark Wizard
Knuckles Chaotix
Lunar 1 + 2
Popful Mail
Shining Force CD
Space Harrier
Vay
Virtua Fighter

So... yeah, this doesn't change a whole lot. Might tip platformers in favor of the Genesis, and it makes its RPG lineup a little more respectable. It also goes from laughing at the SNES in terms of shmups to absolutely eviscerating it.

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You know what? Turns out that shmups might actually be closer on the SNES/Genesis than I realized. I didn't know that the Genesis lacks a version of UN Squadron, for example, and the Super Nintendo has three versions of Parodius. Neat! There's also R-Type III/Gradius 3/all the other games that get commonly thrown out there. Suffice to say that while the Genesis still wins here, I'm not sure it's fair to make the analogy that SNES: Shmups :: Genesis : RPGs

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