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Lopen 04/08/12 7:12:00 PM #251: |
The reason Janna doesn't consistently win despite being consistently picked is that supports are much better balanced than the other roles. She is the best (well, I think Lulu is the best but people don't have as much practice with her yet) but she's not commandingly the best. All the supports are usable and quite a few tanks are usable as supports too.
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AlphaRayAllen 04/08/12 7:16:00 PM #252: |
Varus also needs to hit three times and light it up with another ability. And Kog technically does more percentage health damage with his W than Varus does at any point.
He'll probably be stupid good, but let's be real here. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SythaWarrior 04/08/12 7:23:00 PM #253: |
Last 3 were Cait (Extremely weak on release. Need 4 straight buffs and All the other carries getting nerfed before she became popular, then nerfed right away.), Vayne (Super OP on release nerfed like 4-5 times in a row.), Graves (Still strong, had to get very hard nerfs couple times in a row.)
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McBonesII 04/08/12 7:26:00 PM #254: |
reports are that varus' ult is a skillshot, which just seems weird. It's definitely not as wide as Sona's.
I dunno, lots of champs sound OP on paper. Viktor has an AoE stun as his W. Or E or whatever. That sounded pretty broken too before we got to play him -- http://img.imgcake.com/McBones/MvC3politicalupdatejpgyt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheConductorSix 04/08/12 7:37:00 PM #255: |
Viktor is OP though. Or he would be if his range didn't stink.
If you land the AOE you can burst kill the enemy. You just need to slow them enough to land the laser. If it stuns it's a laugh. Anyways, fun tournament. Lulu Soraka Taric was hilarious. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Peace___Frog 04/08/12 7:46:00 PM #256: |
shame I didn't get to watch any of it, but maybe some of them will be uploaded somewhere that I find soon
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SpeedYoshi 04/08/12 8:11:00 PM #257: |
day 1 vids are up
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Forceful_Dragon 04/08/12 8:17:00 PM #258: |
From: OctilIery | #234 DotA 2 is a Wc3 to PC port. Casters in DotA 2 can not possibly scale into late game or scale at all beyond what their abilities normally do. The same Heroes with the same level and the same items will always have the same exact stats. Always. If you call that a polished game because its shiny or the controls are more intuitive than they were in Wc3 then we're going to have to agree to disagree. From: SpeedYoshi | #257 Guess I can make time to watch matches throughout the week, are there any matches from IPL that are not worth watching? -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheConductorSix 04/08/12 8:19:00 PM #259: |
Watch the Dignitas Day 1 Matches and the Day 2 MM matches.
Everything else is CLG stomp or TSM stomp. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Silver_Ermine 04/08/12 8:27:00 PM #260: |
TheConductorSix posted...
Watch the Dignitas Day 1 Matches and the Day 2 MM matches. Everything else is CLG stomp or TSM stomp. Game 1 of 2nd Finals of CLG vs TSM wasn't a stomp. It was really close -_- -- I love Zigzagoon! <3 http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14/ShadeSilverwing/ZigzagoonSolo.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AfroSquirrel 04/08/12 8:28:00 PM #261: |
Is Dunk Tristana a thing? If it isn't it should be.
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SpeedYoshi 04/08/12 8:30:00 PM #262: |
tsm/dignitas was a really good set
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Lopen 04/08/12 8:39:00 PM #263: |
I think like 90% of the time when people compliment something by saying it's polished they have no idea what the hell they're actually saying about it, and just trying to come off as intelligent.
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WaIker 04/08/12 8:41:00 PM #264: |
man am i supposed to feel bad now because i use polished as a legitimate compliment
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Lopen 04/08/12 8:49:00 PM #265: |
Bad or truly elite, depending.
We'll have to see the context when it comes about. I'll keep an eye out for it and mock/praise you accordingly. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheConductorSix 04/08/12 9:05:00 PM #266: |
Board 8 In House.
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masterplum 04/08/12 9:07:00 PM #267: |
Lopen posted...
I think like 90% of the time when people compliment something by saying it's polished they have no idea what the hell they're actually saying about it, and just trying to come off as intelligent. The key is polished games aren't always good. They're just polished. There's a difference. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SythaWarrior 04/08/12 9:11:00 PM #268: |
Gonna need 2 more.
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Achromatic 04/08/12 9:20:00 PM #269: |
I am playing this is your chance to prove that all of my arrogant posting is undeserved.
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Forceful_Dragon 04/08/12 9:44:00 PM #270: |
Red/FD DuoQ Starting:
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SythaWarrior 04/08/12 10:38:00 PM #271: |
Good game everyone. That was fun we'll have to do it again.
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Forceful_Dragon 04/08/12 10:44:00 PM #272: |
Red/FD DuoQ going into game 2 in a sec. We just had an extremely solid game. Well played for both teams honestly.
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OctilIery 04/08/12 10:52:00 PM #273: |
Forceful_Dragon posted...
From: OctilIery | #234 God even the competitive league is unwatchable after getting into Dota. Whole game just comes off as so unpolished :/ DotA 2 is a Wc3 to PC port. Casters in DotA 2 can not possibly scale into late game or scale at all beyond what their abilities normally do. The same Heroes with the same level and the same items will always have the same exact stats. Always. If you call that a polished game because its shiny or the controls are more intuitive than they were in Wc3 then we're going to have to agree to disagree. I call it polished because it is polished. A lot more effort has been putting into improving the little things. The game is already very well balanced - you'd be hard pressed to deny that. But Valve has done a lot more to improve the interface and everything about playing the game, while giving the whole general Valve experience. I have seen more major(and common) bugs in League, a game that has had years to fix everything up, than I've seen in Dota 2, a game still in beta. Add on top of that the fact that Dota 2 has a fully formed spectator system while League is still sitting on that joke, and the client gives you loads of information at your fingertips even with all that it's missing. You can argue about gameplay all you want(and you're going to have a rough time doing it) but you can't deny that Dota has got several things over League right now, and it's really showing how League is lacking in many ways. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/08/12 10:57:00 PM #274: |
"I've seen more bugs in a game that is 3 years old than in a game that is 6 months old"
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OctilIery 04/08/12 11:02:00 PM #275: |
Lopen posted...
"I've seen more bugs in a game that is 3 years old than in a game that is 6 months old" Shock. When I've seen more well known, well documented, meaningful bugs in League, with all the time they've had to get on top of them and fix them, than I've seen bugs in general in Dota 2, in what's supposed to be its buggiest phase, there is something vastly wrong. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/08/12 11:20:00 PM #276: |
The problem with that way of thinking is League's rapid fire release strategy kinda gives you "betas" every 2 weeks.
I suppose there's an argument for that business model being "unpolished" though. lol -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 12:35:00 AM #277: |
Red/FD DuoQ continues.
2-1 so far tonight. -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 12:37:00 AM #278: |
League of Legends has a new champion every 2 weeks.
DotA is simply trying to catch up to a group of heroes that already exists. Riot decided to try and improve the genre by adding elements. DotA 2 is just recreating what already existed. -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 04/09/12 12:49:00 AM #279: |
Forceful_Dragon posted...
League of Legends has a new champion every 2 weeks. DotA is simply trying to catch up to a group of heroes that already exists. Riot decided to try and improve the genre by adding elements. DotA 2 is just recreating what already existed. Except Riot hasn't added anything good or meaningful to the genre. Dota 2 has. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheConductorSix 04/09/12 1:10:00 AM #280: |
How have I never built WOTA+Visage on Singed before?
It never crossed my mind until today. So good. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheConductorSix 04/09/12 1:12:00 AM #281: |
Red's Anivia currently 7-0
Red you're legitimately one of the best mids I've seen when you have Anivia. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/09/12 1:15:00 AM #282: |
From: OctilIery | #279 Yeah a lot of polish am I right. That's pretty much all DotA 2 is, DotA sent to a shoe polisher. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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X_Dante_X 04/09/12 1:16:00 AM #283: |
dota 2 looks really pretty and is fun, I can't wait until they start adding stuff that wasn't in dota
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TheConductorSix 04/09/12 1:18:00 AM #284: |
Except Riot hasn't added anything good or meaningful to the genre. Dota 2 has.
When trying to make an argument it's best not to just throw loaded opinions out there sans proof or backup. That strategy is called "making **** up" and it's one of my favorites but here, in this topic, it's only going to garner dislike and distrust. Now if that's what you're going for---and to be fair I've been on this Board for 8 years and I'm still not sure if you enjoy riling people up or if you legitimately have terrible elocution and oratory skills---then congrats. But if you'd like to make a legit discussion about what you think DOTA 2 has added to the genre and what LOL has not, I'm sure we'd all be willing to hear you out. -- Realo won gold at the Sex Olympics with a BROKEN FRIGGIN NECK.-Voltch ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Achromatic 04/09/12 1:22:00 AM #285: |
I played a few games of Dota 2. I wasn't very good mind you but the whole experience is pretty bad right now. Things just don't animate very well and it isn't easy to see where skills end sometimes and the camera is very oddly focused in. Not sure if I missed a setting for that.
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 1:37:00 AM #286: |
I have to restart my comp. Red/FD DuoQ will continue shortly =P
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 1:43:00 AM #287: |
From: X_Dante_X | #283 When that starts happening I'll pay attention. As to what Joyrock says, well Realo did an excellent job replying so I'll just go with what he said: From: TheConductorSix | #284 -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 1:44:00 AM #288: |
In Queue for the next game now btw:
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OctilIery 04/09/12 1:45:00 AM #289: |
For gameplay features, I can't think of anything good league added that didn't exist before, except maybe cdr(which existed but not as a percentage).
Riot just focused on balancing the game for casual play, even then doing it poorly. Dota 2 has at least added a fully functional spectator mode and integrated replays, while still having a number of basic features from Dota that league has still yet to add. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 1:52:00 AM #290: |
From: OctilIery | #289 CDR does not exist in DotA. Abilities have reduced cooldown when you level them up, but that's it. There are not ITEMS that cause spells to come off of cooldown faster. Riot just focused on balancing the game for casual play, even then doing it poorly. Except that isn't what happens at all? There are a TON of champions who can dominate low level play simply because it's just that, low level play. If they balanced for that then the game would be extremely different. And just look at IPL which just finished. Yeah some champions are MORE viable than others (and will be subsequently adjusted) but there were still a good chunk of champions that saw a lot of play and it will continue to change as the game changes. You can say what you want about RIOT's idea of balancing, but they do an all right job. I can go on but the game is loading now. -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Achromatic 04/09/12 1:55:00 AM #291: |
How about Ability Power.
Runes Passives summoner spells. Masteries Giving people choices in how they build a character so each is unique and interesting. -- Sir Chris The Cult of Personality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/09/12 1:57:00 AM #292: |
Refresher orb doesn't count as cdr
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OctilIery 04/09/12 2:03:00 AM #293: |
Achromatic posted...
How about Ability Power. Runes Passives summoner spells. Masteries Giving people choices in how they build a character so each is unique and interesting. Runes, summoner spells, and masteries are not good features and never will be. AP didn't exist, but there was at least one instance of spell scaling, obsidian destroyer. And I'd rather take how spells are set up in dota regardless. Passives are new but there were passive abilities from the start. Hardly a major addition. Plus again, I want to say there was at least one instance of a passive in dota, but I can't recall for certain. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Achromatic 04/09/12 2:04:00 AM #294: |
Okay so you like it when things are unfair, unbalanced, not customizable, and all around unfun.
Got it. By the way agree with Realo: If you want to troll do it somewhere else, this isn't the topic for it. If you actually feel this way, I think you should stay out regardless that is just so dumb. -- Sir Chris The Cult of Personality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 04/09/12 2:05:00 AM #295: |
Lopen posted...
Refresher orb doesn't count as cdr There was also at least one champion who had cdr as part of one of her skills. Not the same, but still there. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 04/09/12 2:08:00 AM #296: |
Achromatic posted...
Okay so you like it when things are unfair, unbalanced, not customizable, and all around unfun. Got it. By the way agree with Realo: If you want to troll do it somewhere else, this isn't the topic for it. If you actually feel this way, I think you should stay out regardless that is just so dumb. Nothing about it is unfair, unbalanced, or unfun, and there's a hell of a lot of customizability in game, it's just in your potential builds, which typically have a lot more variety in dota than in league. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/09/12 2:09:00 AM #297: |
So replays and spectator mode outweigh all that stuff Chris listed huh (pretty sure he missed some stuff too but it's been a while since I played DotA and I don't feel like looking things up)
It's good to see you care about like, meaningful changes. You know, the stuff that changes the gameplay and stuff. Like I'd take just AP as a more significant addition than all the DotA 2 stuff, never mind the other stuff. It's like that time Smurf said SSFIV was a huge improvement over SFIV because of the menus being redesigned. "lol" -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OctilIery 04/09/12 2:14:00 AM #298: |
Lopen posted...
So replays and spectator mode outweigh all that stuff Chris listed huh (pretty sure he missed some stuff too but it's been a while since I played DotA and I don't feel like looking things up) It's good to see you care about like, meaningful changes. You know, the stuff that changes the gameplay and stuff. Like I'd take just AP as a more significant addition than all the DotA 2 stuff, never mind the other stuff. It's like that time Smurf said SSFIV was a huge improvement over SFIV because of the menus being redesigned. "lol" Spell scaling wasn't new, and it's debatable whether it's better than dota's alternative. -- Joyrock Fresh from my first justified ban. Ever! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 04/09/12 2:17:00 AM #299: |
Anything's debatable if you find a dumb enough person to argue for it
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Forceful_Dragon 04/09/12 2:41:00 AM #300: |
From: Achromatic | #291 this. this. this. this. this. Thanks to masteries and runes I can play caitlyn for AD or I can play her for spell damage. Hell I could build her CDR/Tank if I wanted to abuse low Cooldowns on her snare/slow. Find me an attack damage carry on DotA that I can build for spell damage or tank. Thanks to Runes and Masteries you can approach a character in a ton of different ways. You can choose to focus on emphasizing what they are already good at, or you can seek to shore up any of the areas they lack in. This is 100% a good thing and its much better than a more functioning replay system. From: OctilIery | #298 Abilities only "scaled" in dota when you leveled up an ability. That doesn't count. The fact that there is ONE hero with an exception to this doesn't mean anything. Single exceptions don't change the fact that dota never addressed the issue that Intel heroes could not possibly scale into late game. A level 5 lightning bolt from Zeus would ALWAYS deal the same amount of damage. -- ~Ç~ http://img.imgcake.com/AlecTrevylan006/fdshieldpngyn.png Eff_Dee http://img.imgcake.com/nio/9fdpngys.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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