Board 8 > Capcom - "No difference between DLC and on-disc content."

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Am I the only not surprised its them of all people saying this? <_<;

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OctilIery posted...
Well they're right, so.

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"They cancelled my dream game so I hate them and I'll never again support th... guys, did you hear about Phoenix Wright's moveset?"

nah it's not really like that

SFxT supposedly did pretty poorly in sales, UMvC3 definitely did

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There isn't really a difference on Capcom's side other than probably cheaper and faster distribution for on disc DLC. From our side, on-disc DLC suggests the possibility that the content was finished beforehand and withheld. On Capcom's side, they already know exactly when everything was finished regardless of where the content is. It's just more content tor them to sell.

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From: OmarsComin | #005
SFxT supposedly did pretty poorly in sales...

Not surprised considering they chose to release it the same week as one of the most hyped games of the year.

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Hmm. Yeah, gotta go with paulg235 on that one. Now that I think about it, not terribly surprising.

I wonder if Capcom thought it wouldn't matter because ME3 would only go on to sell like 8k in its first week over there, so surely it's not so big a deal? Or they just figured, more likely, that they were two separate player bases and there was enough wiggle room to do alright.

Of course, if the Japanese numbers also sucked, that's a problem.

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From: paulg235 | #007
Not surprised considering they chose to release it the same week as one of the most hyped games of the year.

Huh? Which game?

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From: Jeff Zero | #008
Of course, if the Japanese numbers also sucked, that's a problem.

it doesn't have an arcade release so Japan doesn't care much

they didn't plan for it to do great there anyway though, for that very reason.

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SFxT was the second best selling game of March, so I'm not sure how 'poorly' we're talking here. Fighting games don't sell millions out of the gate.

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From: OmarsComin | #005
ANTI-CAPCOMISM
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"They cancelled my dream game so I hate them and I'll never again support th... guys, did you hear about Phoenix Wright's moveset?"

nah it's not really like that

SFxT supposedly did pretty poorly in sales, UMvC3 definitely did

False. UMvC3 has sold very decently.

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And I don't think UMvC3 did bad either. It didn't sell as high as the original but that's to be expected. None of the SF4 re-releases outsold their predecessor either

Those VGChartz numbers were 100% false, if that's what you guys were going by

^yeah what he said

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I don't know how UMvC3 ended up, I just remember there being a lot of discussion of poor sales at the time

stuff like

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/06/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-sales-slower-than-super-street-fighter-iv/

http://gotgame.com/2011/11/29/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-sells-poorly-has-clever-joke-made-at-its-expense/

SFxT I haven't seen any numbers, that's just what I was hearing from the SRK forums. could be completely wrong!

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UMVC3 did pretty well, iirc. not as well as SSF4 or anything, but it sold respectably. Sven whatever his name confirmed that the sales numbers from whatever that one site is was pretty off.

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OmarsComin posted...
I don't know how UMvC3 ended up, I just remember there being a lot of discussion of poor sales at the time

stuff like

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/02/06/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-sales-slower-than-super-street-fighter-iv/

http://gotgame.com/2011/11/29/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-sells-poorly-has-clever-joke-made-at-its-expense/

SFxT I haven't seen any numbers, that's just what I was hearing from the SRK forums. could be completely wrong!

You are.

Again.

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TRE Public Account posted...
There isn't really a difference on Capcom's side other than probably cheaper and faster distribution for on disc DLC. From our side, on-disc DLC suggests the possibility that the content was finished beforehand and withheld. On Capcom's side, they already know exactly when everything was finished regardless of where the content is. It's just more content tor them to sell.

Spot on.

It's a matter of perception. The company knows whether or not the content is done and is doing what it can to make selling it simpler. The consumer only knows what Capcom is willing to show us. If those characters were done and kept off the disc, we wouldn't know any better and feel that we had gotten our money's worth. With on-disc DLC, consumers feel like they're being robbed blind, even though the difference is simply where Capcom chose to store the data.

Granted, Capcom lied on at least one occasion about the status of SFxT's DLC, so I can't sympathize with them at this point.

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Weakupedia posted...
joyrock stop being an ass

This is like trying separate wetness from water.

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hey joyrock

shut up

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Weakupedia posted...
joyrock stop being an ass

When he stops being wrong maybe :-)

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they're right but both are bad

joyrock has this mental deficiency where he has to argue about everything

but it's not like "let's discuss our viewpoints and see what comes of it" it's like "there is an objective truth and I happen to be right about everything and I will argue it into the ground while being condescending the whole time"

as a side bonus, if he recognizes your name from past discussions there will be an added "this disagreement that you are objectively wrong about actually is indicative of a great personality flaw that you have. it says something horrible about your character that you disagree with me."

I'm not sure if I like him more than our resident journalist, they're pretty close

in any case (on-topic) one of my links is a quote from Sven talking about how they were unhappy with the sales and expected better for UMvC3. in the context of what I replied to (where jeff was saying that people complain a lot and then go buy the game anyway) I think it's worth mentioning. there's at least some people who are saying "omg f*** capcom" and then really do just not buy the next game.

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HeroicGammaRay posted...
they're right but both are bad

Neither is bad unless abused.

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I still want to know why, if the content is on the disc that I already have, they make me wait like six months until I don't give a **** about the game anymore before they'll let me buy it. Besides being annoying, it seems like it would just hurt their sales!

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MrGreenonion posted...
I still want to know why, if the content is on the disc that I already have, they make me wait like six months until I don't give a **** about the game anymore before they'll let me buy it. Besides being annoying, it seems like it would just hurt their sales!

The logic is that the DLC is meant to bring attention back to the game months after release. It seems counter intuitive because DLC sales dwindle in the months after a game's release, but then, this isn't a map pack or something only people who are dedicated to the game will care about, this is a chunk of the roster.

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ITT: People literally think Downloadable Content can mean content you don't download.

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well technically you download the unlock code

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I just borrowed the game from a friend and I'm already bored of the game. It's like the worst blend of offense and defense. It's extremely hard to open people up and once you do it's a 40% combo, or if you want to actually attack you could just pick Rufus or Kazuya, two of the most annoying characters. Online is just awful, you see the same people over and over again with the same shotos and Mishimas.

"DLC" isn't gonna help extend the game's life if so many people are done with the game before the first month.

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From: Biolizard28 | #027
The logic is that the DLC is meant to bring attention back to the game months after release. It seems counter intuitive because DLC sales dwindle in the months after a game's release, but then, this isn't a map pack or something only people who are dedicated to the game will care about, this is a chunk of the roster.

DLC out at launch: "Man SFxT is fun! Play as Dudley, Guy, and all these other dudes? Hell yes I'll buy this!"
DLC out 6 months later: "DLC for SFxT? Who even plays that game anymore."

Not sure why you'd want to "bring attention to a game" when you could "get people's money" instead!

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According to my buddy who works for marketing for EA, he's stated that DLC sales drop incredibly so after the first month of release, which is why they tend to keep DLC closer to release rather than later.

I think Capcom's idea was that they wanted to include a super version of their game, but they didn't want to put out another version of the game and just wanted to send out whatever was there. The problem is that for the people who would buy DLC for it, IE the hardcore fighting gamers, they all kind of hate SFxT now, much to their surprise. Soooo... they're kind of stuck.

(Btw, my buddy is looking to get out of that job because as you might imagine, EA marketing kind of sucks.)

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YetAnothrShadow posted...
ITT: People literally think Downloadable Content can mean content you don't download.

Do publishers even us the term DLC anymore? I'm pretty sure it's exclusively referred to as add-on content.

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ITT: People literally think Downloadable Content can mean content you don't download.

This gave me a good laugh. Thumbs up!

Perhaps we need a different collective term for DLC and unlockable content.

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It's extremely hard to open people up and once you do it's a 40% combo, or if you want to actually attack you could just pick Rufus or Kazuya, two of the most annoying characters. Online is just awful, you see the same people over and over again with the same shotos and Mishimas.

yeah that all sounds about right. people complain that it's hard to get in, but also that anti-airs suck. and that it's a defensive game but there's braindead offense with crossups and standing jab pressure and weird mixups that don't look right and those all lead to big damage. in truth all of those things are there. it's hard to open people up but once you do big damage is the result. it sets up a weird dynamic where a 99 second round is decided in a short amount of time, often off one or two mistakes. it just doesn't feel good.

as far as the DLC goes supposedly they were trying to keep people interested throughout the year. just when you forgot about this game, here's 3 new color packs! I think the big takeaway from SFxT DLC is the big PR hits Capcom keeps taking because of it.

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OmarsComin posted...
It's extremely hard to open people up and once you do it's a 40% combo, or if you want to actually attack you could just pick Rufus or Kazuya, two of the most annoying characters. Online is just awful, you see the same people over and over again with the same shotos and Mishimas.

yeah that all sounds about right. people complain that it's hard to get in, but also that anti-airs suck. and that it's a defensive game but there's braindead offense with crossups and standing jab pressure and weird mixups that don't look right and those all lead to big damage. in truth all of those things are there. it's hard to open people up but once you do big damage is the result. it sets up a weird dynamic where a 99 second round is decided in a short amount of time, often off one or two mistakes. it just doesn't feel good.

as far as the DLC goes supposedly they were trying to keep people interested throughout the year. just when you forgot about this game, here's 3 new color packs! I think the big takeaway from SFxT DLC is the big PR hits Capcom keeps taking because of it.

Good to know the high level play are as bad as my initial personal experience and secondhand experience through streams suggested! I think it is possibly the most disappointing big name fighter I've seen from Capcom.

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Nobody cares about how much you hate SFxT.

Stay on topic.

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Biolizard28 posted...
Nobody cares about how much you hate SFxT.

Stay on topic.

Topic has already been settled and the discussion is moving on.

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To me, paying to unlock things already on the disc isn't DLC at all. We're basically paying twice for one complete game. If this were an RPG and you had to pay for party members or sections of the game on the disc, people would be furious and rightfully so. Why should having to pay for a chunk of the roster on a fighting game disc be deemed acceptable?

Folks that defend Capcom and this practice, fine. Enjoy paying more for stuff. But I'd have to say you are in a strange minority.

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Doesn't this game use an existing engine and something like 70% of the SF characters are available in SSF4? Maybe, I'm wrong, I never see people point this out.

Doesn't this game use an existing engine and something like 70% of the SF characters are available in SSF4? Maybe, I'm wrong, I never see people point this out.

Capcom gone from reusing sprites to reusing models, hell quite a few of the Tekken characters are model sharing with Street Fighters (Kazuya has Ryu's body, Julia has Cammy's , Marduk has Hakan's ect)

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StifledSilence posted...
To me, paying to unlock things already on the disc isn't DLC at all. We're basically paying twice for one complete game. If this were an RPG and you had to pay for party members or sections of the game on the disc, people would be furious and rightfully so. Why should having to pay for a chunk of the roster on a fighting game disc be deemed acceptable?

Folks that defend Capcom and this practice, fine. Enjoy paying more for stuff. But I'd have to say you are in a strange minority.

Actually you're in the minority because where the DLC comes from or when it arrives is irrelevant. It's DLC. You aren't paying extra for a complete game, you're paying extra for extra features since you already got a complete game. Being on the disc doesn't change anything - it doesn't mean you own it, or that you're entitled to it.

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