Is called, or at least carries the working codename, "Orbis". Is scheduled for a Holiday 2013 release. Won't be backwards compatible with PS3 games. Will lock new games to a PSN account as an anti-used games measure. New games can be bought either on Blu-Ray or downloaded. Current specs are an AMD x64 CPU and AMD Southern Islands GPU
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gaming has become such a joke since online console gaming took off. A crash is coming if the future is this. Hell havent game sales declined for the past 2 years now?
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let's assume the rumors are true for discussion purposes
I can't think of too many worse assaults on consumer rights in this industry than to lock games to a console/require you to always be online. it's a disaster and if it's true I hope people will boycott any system/game that does this.
if PS3 non-compatibility is true, it makes console downloadable games a considerably worse investment than their counterparts on PC. this would be one more argument for Steam going forward.
If this is true, theres absolutely no reason to play short games anymore. I typically wait for used price drop or rent games I can beat in under 10-15 hours... if I have to pay full price for them, no thanks.
From: OmarsComin | #017 I can't think of too many worse assaults on consumer rights in this industry than to lock games to a console/require you to always be online. it's a disaster and if it's true I hope people will boycott any system/game that does this.
Steam
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I can't think of too many worse assaults on consumer rights in this industry than to lock games to a console/require you to always be online. it's a disaster and if it's true I hope people will boycott any system/game that does this.
Just a year or so ago people would just say they good ol "then dont buy em" line here. And this is where it leads.
kinda long article for most internet users these days, but this is a great article about console gaming's future.
PC's physical gaming sales have risen a bit the past few years. Console game sales have dropped dramatically. PC has to compete with the biggest digital distribution service in steam as well.
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foolm0ron posted... From: OmarsComin | #017 I can't think of too many worse assaults on consumer rights in this industry than to lock games to a console/require you to always be online. it's a disaster and if it's true I hope people will boycott any system/game that does this. Steam
yeah, I think it's s***ty there too
but you can have that game on multiple computers and can play the game offline in a lot of cases unless I'm mistaken. it's still nowhere near what we should find acceptable but it is a step above "this game is tied to one console and you must always be online to play it."
in an ideal world people would sell games with no copy protection or DRM. I don't think that would be anywhere near the disaster for sales that companies seem to think. the Indie Bundles should stand as evidence that it's viable in some circumstances at least.
Also, it's not locking a game to a console. They're not Nintendo. It's locking a game to a PSN account.
It's actually a shame that the PSP DIDN'T have this feature. People like you all have such a raw hatred for systems like this, because for some reason you guys just love trading in games, so there's no way the PSP could've had this system. But then the Vita came out and people were complaining that they couldn't play their physical games anymore... well if it had this system, that wouldn't have been a problem.
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Maybe I'm just interpreting this in an overly optimistic way, but it sounds like Sony is trying to emulate Steam's system. I love Steam and will argue at length with anyone who thinks the traditional game pricing and distribution systems are superior for either consumers or publishers/developers, so I hope this particular rumor is true.
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From: OmarsComin | #025 I'll just assume this isn't aimed at me because it doesn't even slightly describe my position on this
Nah, it was more for albion's post here:
From: FateStayAlbion | #019 If this is true, theres absolutely no reason to play short games anymore. I typically wait for used price drop or rent games I can beat in under 10-15 hours... if I have to pay full price for them, no thanks.
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People like you all have such a raw hatred for systems like this, because for some reason you guys just love trading in games, so there's no way the PSP could've had this system.
I'll just assume this isn't aimed at me because it doesn't even slightly describe my position on this
Also, it's not locking a game to a console. They're not Nintendo. It's locking a game to a PSN account.
fair enough. it's still not good. I realize it's not different from Steam, but it's a bad thing across the board.
Maybe I'm just interpreting this in an overly optimistic way, but it sounds like Sony is trying to emulate Steam's system. I love Steam and will argue at length with anyone who thinks the traditional game pricing and distribution systems are superior for either consumers or publishers/developers, so I hope this particular rumor is true.
steam for older games and indie games is great.
Steam for a brand new game that i can have my own copy and pay the same price for (ie skyrim)? Not worth it at the moment to me.
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Metal_DK posted... Maybe I'm just interpreting this in an overly optimistic way, but it sounds like Sony is trying to emulate Steam's system. I love Steam and will argue at length with anyone who thinks the traditional game pricing and distribution systems are superior for either consumers or publishers/developers, so I hope this particular rumor is true.
steam for older games and indie games is great.
Steam for a brand new game that i can have my own copy and pay the same price for (ie skyrim)? Not worth it at the moment to me.
This. I'd much rather actually own the game instead of only a file, especially if the price is the same.
From: Metal_DK | #028 Steam for a brand new game that i can have my own copy and pay the same price for (ie skyrim)?
Skyrim is Steam-only on PC though. If you have a console version, then it's an inferior version. But I'm surprised that you can get a console copy of Skyrim for $27. I mean, that's how much I paid for it on Steam.
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I'd love to join in on the "more nails in the coffin" thing but you're kidding yourselves, this kind of thing is nothing new to sony, they've done worse in the past and remain an immovable giant in the industry. people are not intelligent and struggle with simple pattern recognition.
I love Steam and will argue at length with anyone who thinks the traditional game pricing and distribution systems are superior for either consumers or publishers/developers, so I hope this particular rumor is true.
yeah I think what they're doing with regards to pricing and distribution is excellent. it's why I view Steam in a positive light and try to buy most of my stuff from them if I can.
I wish they were better about DRM but they're better than the rest of the industry in some cases and level with them the rest of the time. I suspect some of that stuff is just beyond their control.
Skyrim is Steam-only on PC though. If you have a console version, then it's an inferior version. But I'm surprised that you can get a console copy of Skyrim for $27. I mean, that's how much I paid for it on Steam.
skyrim wasnt $27 when it first came out late november
Were talking first month or so of release here. Games never go on sale for that cheap after a month, at least if they are well reviewed.
And you can play skyrim on the PC without steam.
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From: Metal_DK | #034 Games never go on sale for that cheap after a month
In your very outdated retail pricing system, yes. They CAN on a system like Steam where $60 isn't the mandatory price for every single game, and where you CAN make money by selling a game for $40 or $20 or $10 or even entirely free to play.
Skyrim went on sale for $40 like... 4 months after it was released, and I used my 33% off coupon that Steam recently introduced to get it for $27. And as far as I know, you can't play Skyrim on PC without Steam unless you do some hax.
Orbis is Latin for circle, making Sony's next generation of consoles the CIRCLE OF LIIIIIFE!
Oh, and no BC isn't a big surprise. The cell processor makes developing PS3 titles a noted pain in the ass, so getting away from it in the next generation makes sense. The only way the PS4 would have PS3 BC in this case is if every PS4 had a PS3 inside it too, and that just isn't happening for any kind of reasonable price.
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From: Metal_DK | #034 Were talking first month or so of release here.
No, YOU are talking about the first month or so. Because in your traditional game distribution system, the first month is where 90% of the sales are. People either buy your game new, or they buy it used. Obviously new games are the only ones that count as real sales because used games make you $0, so you only care about the first month where everyone is buying your game new.
Don't get the misconception that the limitations of your traditional system apply to ALL systems.
You mean 4 weeks, right? I know it was a daily deal during the Christmas sale.
And retail products do go on sale relatively fast (AC: Rev for $20 on Boxing Day, FF XIII-2 for $40 last month, ME3 for $30 in Canada right now, etc.) but the prices at retail are not nearly as flexible as they are on Steam.
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In your very outdated retail pricing system, yes. They CAN on a system like Steam where $60 isn't the mandatory price for every single game, and where you CAN make money by selling a game for $40 or $20 or $10 or even entirely free to play.
Skyrim went on sale for $40 like... 4 months after it was released, and I used my 33% off coupon that Steam recently introduced to get it for $27. And as far as I know, you can't play Skyrim on PC without Steam unless you do some hax.
Not sure how anything you typed is arguing what i said.
Steam for older titles and indie games is great. Older tittles frequently had insanely good sales or are cheaper than what you would pay buying the game off amazon or something.
I paid $60 for skyrim (PC) on release day. I bought it at a target and got a physical copy. My two friends paid $60 on steam for the exact same game. I got a physical copy, a paper map, and the ability to use the game on steam or not. They didn't. Skyrim on steam should have been $45 or $50 on release day, or at the very least a bit cheaper than retail. I do not know the exact numbers, but I'd imagine steam is cutting costs for developers.
I agree with retail's pricing system being very outdated, but digital distribution hasn't benefited the consumer for brand new titles.
And skyrim on the PC without steam isn't that hard to do. But I'm sure posting how to do it is some violation of something so i wont.
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No, YOU are talking about the first month or so. Because in your traditional game distribution system, the first month is where 90% of the sales are. People either buy your game new, or they buy it used. Obviously new games are the only ones that count as real sales because used games make you $0, so you only care about the first month where everyone is buying your game new.
Don't get the misconception that the limitations of your traditional system apply to ALL systems.
Ok, so you don't like to buy games when they first come out. Cool. Use steam. It will actually benefit you. Hell ive been using steam more for games I've missed out on. Its worth it over say, paying 30 dollars or something at retail.
But there are games that are somewhat important events for me. Skyrim was one of them. I bought it the day it came out. Nothing wrong with wanting to do that. And in that case, it wasn't advantageous to buy it via steam.
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Sounds like Steam but most likely without the crazy sales. Which...well, console games have never had sales on par with Steam, so I guess I'm okay with this, since I can tolerate Steam. Especially if it will lead to things like cloud save storage and redownloading of full retail games linked to your PSN profile. Or PSN sales on par with Steam's (a man can dream).
Really, if all these rumors were true, the thing that would bother me the most is the non-BC with PS3 games. I already have my PS3 and PS2 hooked up to a single TV. Having a PS3, PS2, AND a PSO hooked up to a single TV would be pretty silly. But how else would Sony sell Uncharted SuperHD3D Trilogy?
Also I really like the name, for what that's worth.
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Well Skyrim is like the one recent case where you get a physical item with the pre-order (the map), so yeah retail could win in that case, but not because of anything inherent to the physical copy. Steam could've just mailed a map to any digital pre-orders if they wanted, but instead they just gave a TF2 hat. Some people would value the TF2 hat more than the physical map, so for them, the digital version would be superior. There's also the pre-loading that you can do which some people might value more. It's entirely a personal preference.