Board 8 > Avengers gets name changed in UK because British people are easily confused.

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http://www.totalfilm.com/news/avengers-assemble-the-avengers-gets-new-title-and-official-poster

Yes I am insulting our english userbase.

Take THAT, you crumpets! haHA!

Seriously though, does anybody care about that old ass TV show enough that this was necessary <_<

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We have an English userbase?

I thought everyone here was from Eastern Asia.

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To be fair the reason America got "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" is because we're easily confused.

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to be fair

the avengers tv show has a REALLY REALLY REALLY bad movie in the 90s that I would not want to risk being confused for

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this is the stupidest thing since the title to the first harry potter book got changed in the us because american kids are too stupid to know what a philosopher is.

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MarvelousGerbil posted...
To be fair the reason America got "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" is because we're easily confused.

Well it is primarily a children's book!

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Not as bad because changing the name of this movie implies that British ADULTS are too stupid to tell the difference.

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From: MarvelousGerbil | #004
To be fair the reason America got "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" is because we're easily confused.

Even funnier is the fact that it was only America. Canada got Philosopher's Stone

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Did they change the actual text of the book to replace all mention of philosophers with sorcerers?

Because that's incredibly dumb.

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If they're going to insult our intelligence, why not take it a step further and just say Harry Potter and the Wizard Rock.

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this is the stupidest thing since the title to the first harry potter book got changed in the us because american kids are too stupid to know what a philosopher is.

I think it was because American kids know what a philosopher is. The Philosopher's Stone has nothing to do with philosophers.

Avengers Assemble, what a stupid title. What's next, "Transformers, Roll Out"?

Avengers is a relatively well-known thing here

Back when I knew nothing about either, I presumed they were the same thing or related in some way.

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From: Rad Link 5 | #011
Did they change the actual text of the book to replace all mention of philosophers with sorcerers?

Because that's incredibly dumb.

Yep. They also had to say Sorcerer's in the movie for Americans.

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From: MarvelousGerbil | #004
To be fair the reason America got "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone" is because we're easily confused.

Except that was a children's book and a move that was made with little to no actual proof that children would be turned off by the title.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Did they change the actual text of the book to replace all mention of philosophers with sorcerers?

Because that's incredibly dumb.

From Wikipedia...

Scholastic Corporation bought the U.S. rights at the Bologna Book Fair in April 1997 for US$105,000, an unusually high sum for a children's book.[14] They thought that a child would not want to read a book with the word "philosopher" in the title and,[30] after some discussion, the American edition was published in October 1998 under the title Rowling suggested, Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.[14] Rowling claimed that she regretted this change and would have fought it if she had been in a stronger position at the time.[31] Philip Nel has pointed out that the change lost the connection with alchemy, and the meaning of some other terms changed in translation, for example from UK English "crumpets" to US English "muffin". While Rowling accepted the change from both UK English "mum" and Seamus Finnegan's Irish variant "mam" to "mom" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, she vetoed this change in the later books. However Nel considered that Scholastic's translations were considerably more sensitive than most of those imposed on UK English books of the time, and that some other changes could be regarded as useful copyedits.[28] Since the UK editions of early titles in the series were published a few months earlier than the American versions, some American readers became familiar with the British English versions after buying them via the Internet.


Also, they seriously bothered changing "mum" to "mom". God forbid a book from another culture not be completely Americanized.

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I feel like any kid dumb enough to not know what 'philosopher' means or unable to figure it out based on context or a google search probably does not read books

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I think it was because American kids know what a philosopher is. The Philosopher's Stone has nothing to do with philosophers.


You do realize that the philosopher's stone is an actual... legendary...thing, right? It's not just a JKR invention

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From: UltimaterializerX | #013
American kids are too stupid to know what a philosopher is.

That's not why they changed the name.

It's because whatever connotation "philosopher" has over here is completely unrelated to magic, disregarding the actual philosopher's stone.

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XIII_rocks posted...
I think it was because American kids know what a philosopher is. The Philosopher's Stone has nothing to do with philosophers.


You do realize that the philosopher's stone is an actual... legendary...thing, right? It's not just a JKR invention

Duh, she just ripped off Full Metal Alchemist.

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From: MarvelousGerbil | #018
Also, they seriously bothered changing "mum" to "mom". God forbid a book from another culture not be completely Americanized.

I remember reading somewhere that JKR hated that because she just doesn't see Molly Weasley as a "mom".

And she's right. She's the most "un-mom" mother in the history of the universe >_>;

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From: XIII_rocks | #023
I remember reading somewhere that JKR hated that because she just doesn't see Molly Weasley as a "mom".

And she's right. She's the most "un-mom" mother in the history of the universe >_>;

This is easily the most British post I have ever read in my entire life.

Only they would take their dialect and try to make it seem like they're saying totally different words.

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You do realize that the philosopher's stone is an actual... legendary...thing, right? It's not just a JKR invention

Of course.

But it is exactly what they expected American kids not to know.

If you don't know the legend, "Philosopher's Stone" sounds like some ancient Greek thing old men pondered over while drinking poison and talking about the meaning of life.

From: XIII_rocks | #023
I remember reading somewhere that JKR hated that because she just doesn't see Molly Weasley as a "mom".

And she's right. She's the most "un-mom" mother in the history of the universe >_>;

...What? Do you people legitimately think that "mum" and "mom" are supposed to mean different things?

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I really don't think American children know what philosophers are. That's not something anyone makes any effort to teach them.

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No.

Well, kind of. In my head they have different connotations.

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Did they change the actual text of the book to replace all mention of philosophers with sorcerers?

I'm pretty sure the stone itself was called the Philosopher's Stone. They did do a 4Kids-esque amount of localization, though.

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I wouldn't immediately relate a philosopher with alchemy, but I would strongly relate a sorcerer to alchemy. To me Sorcerer's Stone makes more sense, but I've never read the books, so what do I know.

Whether you think Americans know what a philosophers are or not is irrelevant, it's a fact that they changed the name to avoid connotations with boring old thinking men, not because they thought the word philosopher was unknown to Americans.

Something unrelated to insulting an entire nation of people.

Hawkeye looks really stupid in this movie. Like laughably pointless.

The part in the trailer where he " cocked " his bow, I couldn't help but laugh.

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Philosopher's Stone made perfect sense to me so I never really understood the need for a change, but that was just me.

I guess I can understand why they did it now, but I think it might have been fine if they had not.

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Yeah, it wasn't changed because American kids would go "duuuuh, philosopher? What word is that?"

It's because in America, the world philosopher is going to mean some old smart guy in a toga to kids. They wouldn't make the magic/alchemy connection at all if they didn't know the legend.

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From: Takfloyd_mkII__ | #035
Whether you think Americans know what a philosophers are or not is irrelevant, it's a fact that they changed the name to avoid connotations with boring old thinking men, not because they thought the word philosopher was unknown to Americans.

How can they be trying to avoid a connotation that Americans wouldn't be able to make?

Therefore it's extremely relevant.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Philosopher's Stone made perfect sense to me so I never really understood the need for a change, but that was just me.

I guess I can understand why they did it now, but I think it might have been fine if they had not.

wow thanks for that meaningful contribution to the discussion

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Rad Link 5 posted...
How can they be trying to avoid a connotation that Americans wouldn't be able to make?

Therefore it's extremely relevant.


I dunno about you, but I was taught about ancient philosophers by the time I even got to high school. Nothing in depth, but that was definitely the connection I made with the word.

Besides.

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StealThisSheen posted...
Yeah, it wasn't changed because American kids would go "duuuuh, philosopher? What word is that?"

It's because in America, the world philosopher is going to mean some old smart guy in a toga to kids. They wouldn't make the magic/alchemy connection at all if they didn't know the legend.

I still don't see why that matters. The cover art is a kid on a broomstick, reading the synopsis would let kids know it's about magic, and word travels fast. While the first book was out, most kids that heard about it probably didn't even know it had a subtitle.

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DeepsPraw posted...
wow thanks for that meaningful contribution to the discussion

You are very welcome. Thank you for calling me out for giving my opinion on what we were actually discussing.

It was an incredibly pointless "call out" and it contributed nothing to the topic.
So I guess I should thank you for your meaningless contribution to this topic?


But speaking of Harry Potter, but I can't remember if the Philosopher/Soceror's Stone gets mentioned in any movies after the first. I know it is mentioned in the books a couple of times in later installments, but I don't remember if any of those snippets made it into the movies and what word they used, if so.

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MarvelousGerbil posted...
I still don't see why that matters. The cover art is a kid on a broomstick, reading the synopsis would let kids know it's about magic, and word travels fast. While the first book was out, most kids that heard about it probably didn't even know it had a subtitle.


...You mean like how looking at an Avengers poster or reading a synopsis would let them know what it was?

That's the whole point of the topic, dude.

People assume people are more dumb than they are.

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where are you getting this whole 'British people are easily confused' bit? it's just as likely that marvel pictures doesn't hold the film-and-tv copyright for the name avengers in the uk

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From: StealThisSheen | #041
I dunno about you, but I was taught about ancient philosophers by the time I even got to high school. Nothing in depth, but that was definitely the connection I made with the word.

Not me. I had to learn about philosophy and philosophers on my own until college.

Also I think they had more of a middle school demographic in mind with this change anyway.

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Not me. I had to learn about philosophy and philosophers on my own until college.

i am truley sorry for your lots

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Rad Link 5 posted...
Also I think they had more of a middle school demographic in mind with this change anyway.


...But I just said I knew that in middle school. >_>

Both from being taught in school AND from

"Philosophize with him!"
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude!"

Either way, I was simply saying that changes like Philosopher to Sorcerer happen because people in marketing tend to underestimate how smart the average person is, not because... The average person is literally that dumb.

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philosopher = Plato
sorcerer = Jafar