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DeathChicken 02/16/12 3:23:00 PM #201: |
Heenan was usually ridiculous with his commentary, and then sometimes he'd be really insightful, like pointing out how Doink was too good of a wrestler to just be some goof pretending to be a clown
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voltch 02/16/12 3:24:00 PM #202: |
Thing is Hogan is not the best wrestler, maybe Jordan can Misawa in japan!
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RL5 02/16/12 3:27:00 PM #203: |
It just came out a couple months ago that Jordon outright lied about his supposedly life-defining moment when he was cut from his high school basketball team.
A lot of people hate the guy for his perceived egocentrism, and prima donna image. Just sayin. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8528/secretariat.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 3:29:00 PM #204: |
Amazing talent who has to work hard to get over the hump and supplant the dominant talents, finally breaks through after years of trying and publicly weeps the first time he clutched his deserved Championship, only to see his relationships suffer and fan backlash begin because he just won't let go of the title and people are tired of his reign?
Michael Jordan is Davey Richards. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voltch 02/16/12 3:31:00 PM #205: |
what you on about, Jordan won a title in his first 3 years on his own.
That's a fact otherwise you're denying that Hogan Bodyslammed the 650 pound Andre the Giant in front of 97k fans. -- Dr voltchball - best in the world. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathChicken 02/16/12 3:33:00 PM #206: |
On that note, I really miss Evil Doink. That was a great character, but I don't think it works without A) A guy to play it who can be supremely creepy just with his facial expressions, B) A guy who is a great wrestler, and C) Announcers actually competent enough to sell what he's doing. Cole would just poop on it and yell "LOOKIT THE CLOWN WHAT A GOOF HAW HAW"
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RL5 02/16/12 4:01:00 PM #207: |
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TimJab 02/16/12 4:05:00 PM #208: |
From: JaKyL25 | #204 this describes every ROH champion ever -- http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Viktor Vaughn 02/16/12 4:22:00 PM #209: |
From: JaKyL25 | #204 and then there are the guys that watch lots of japanese basketball that hate davey jordan just on principle -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 02/16/12 4:23:00 PM #210: |
I hate Jordan because I'm a Pistons fan.
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GTM 02/16/12 4:26:00 PM #211: |
From: RL5 | #203 I pictured Jordan's floating head leading a team of basketball-playing teenagers... WITH ATTITUDE -- Boko United - MenjiTMFan267 Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheRock1525 02/16/12 4:29:00 PM #212: |
I want to see this Chyna porno if I can somehow avoid the actual sex scenes:
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RL5 02/16/12 4:40:00 PM #213: |
Ahaha that John Cena.
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voltch 02/16/12 5:49:00 PM #214: |
b8watchesBullyRay
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edwardsdv 02/16/12 6:19:00 PM #215: |
From: muddersmilk | #175 This is just Cole being utterly stupid. He is the ONLY ONE that calls that Leg drop DDT the ZIG ZAG. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 6:59:00 PM #216: |
Jack Swagger @RealJackSwagger
@ZackRyder You lost the title, then Eve, the only thing next is your virginity! -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/34or19k.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 7:49:00 PM #217: |
From: RL5 | #216 -3 Swagger -- http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs462.ash1/25378_426337043573_299696888573_5469519_6175407_n.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 7:50:00 PM #218: |
They make a big deal out of the legdrop bulldog that Ziggles does. When he countered it from the GTS at the Rumble they were screaming like it was the finish. Has he ever pinned anyone with it?
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RL5 02/16/12 8:03:00 PM #219: |
ZIGZAG TO THE WORLD'S STRONGEST MAN I feel like he might have pinned someone at some point with it, but I can't actually think of an example. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/54t201.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Masato_Tanaka 02/16/12 8:19:00 PM #220: |
tag
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Viktor Vaughn 02/16/12 8:20:00 PM #221: |
watched impact
didn't die -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Haguile 02/16/12 8:29:00 PM #222: |
From: RL5 | Posted: 2/16/2012 9:59:56 PM | #216 Zack Ryder @ZackRyder Reply Retweet Favorite · Open @RealJackSwagger...you won the US title from me - not the Internet title...it's OK for you to wrestle on TV. #keepitwarm4me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 02/16/12 8:54:00 PM #223: |
Impact best show of the week again tbqh
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RL5 02/16/12 8:55:00 PM #224: |
Did you actually watch Smackdown, or just read the spoilers?
Because I've noticed a lot of you don't actually watch Smackdown for some reason. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5783/3989110m.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 02/16/12 8:56:00 PM #225: |
Nah didn't watch SD (and very well might not). Didn't read the spoilers either just "feeling confident" on that front.
Easily better than Raw, though! -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 8:58:00 PM #226: |
I'll never understand watching Raw, but not Smackdown. Smackdown is not only the superior show, it is so much easier to watch!
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Lopen 02/16/12 9:06:00 PM #227: |
SD's more of a hassle due to being on Friday for me. Monday I'm often bored and lacking anything to do so I'll watch Raw just because there's nothing better to do. On Friday that's less likely to be true, meaning (if it's not true) I have to go out of my way to watch it on youtube/etc or tape it.
That being said I usually watch both! I've just decided to cut back on WWE lately since the product has been the worst in quite some time lately. Also I'm not sure I agree SD's superior. While SD usually has the better match for the main event, I feel the Raw undercard is usually a bit more interesting, the Raw storylines are more interesting, that Raw is less repetitive in general (I often feel like SD sorta puts a lot of their feuds on autopilot) and there is generally less facepalmingly bad stuff (no Natalya farting, Hornswoggle, Teddy/Aksana segments) on Raw. Obviously, Raw as of late has been testing the limits with the Cena/Ryder stuff and Triple H, but yeah. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 9:14:00 PM #228: |
From: Lopen | #227 That's strange. I've actually felt the exact opposite. I feel like they hit rock bottom around a year ago (maybe more), and that they're finally coming out of it and being entertaining again. Anyway I said Smackdown is easier to watch since it's available to be viewed online by Wednesday, and then officially available to be viewed online by Saturday. For whatever reason, WWE doesn't upload Raw to Hulu or to their own site. I've just felt that the quality of Smackdown's matches has been much, much better for years now, and their current main storyline revolving around Daniel Bryan has been spectacular. Mark Henry's title reign before that was good up until he started feuding with Big Show, and Orton's feud with Christian before that won the APWT 2011 Feud of the Year. So I guess I just prefer good wrestling and a good main event story to anchor the show than however you would characterize Raw. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5299/jackiekungfu1.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 9:18:00 PM #229: |
"Mark Henry's title reign before that was good up until he started feuding with Big Show
So about two weeks into his reign then >_> -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Viktor Vaughn 02/16/12 9:19:00 PM #230: |
For whatever reason, WWE doesn't upload Raw to Hulu or to their own site.
it's the "important" show any online availability that might damage it's ratings won't be offered -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 9:19:00 PM #231: |
Lopen means, like, in the last month when he says "lately."
To me they're still running on cred from TLC and the following Raw enough that I can't criticize them too much, but that cred is fast running dry. One turd of a PPV this Sunday and then the product's overall Jakyl rating goes from "approve" to "disapprove." Still "approve" by a thread though for now! That said, I know it's the Road to Wrestlemania, and in recent history that means the product is at its poopiest, and it always rebounds going into the summer, to some degree. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 9:20:00 PM #232: |
From: XIII_rocks | #229 Shhh. I was thinking "Mark Henry was good until he started feuding with Big Show," and then I forgot that he was not champion from the moment his monster heel run started. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 9:20:00 PM #233: |
And honestly I loved WWE in 2011. There was always something keeping me interested. Before the Punk promo was when my patience was starting to be tested but even then Truth was being hilarious, so.
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Lopen 02/16/12 9:23:00 PM #234: |
For the record Orton's feud with Christian winning the Feud of the Year was probably by default as much as anything. That wasn't anything good. Now Henry's reign was fun but yeah actually as Jakyl said that (and Orton/Christian, though I don't approve of that) is too far back for what I mean-- I'm talking recent. The last month or two of SD has been pretty atrocious. I'm not going to pin it on Bryan, but I certainly don't think Bryan's reign is particularly interesting, either.
As for SD's matches being better in general I'd say that's a mirage left over from past years when it actually was better. Raw's undercard is usually superior these days. SD is typically a bunch of squashes followed by a good main event, lately. But yeah I certainly agree that we were seeing improvements in 2011 in general. 2012 though has been a load of trash. Also TNA has been stepping up so it's not all WWE flopping when I say TNA has been the best show for weeks now. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 9:24:00 PM #235: |
From: Viktor Vaughn | #230 But all available data suggests that online availability after airing actually helps a show's ratings! From: JaKyL25 | #231 Ehhh, I actually can't complain too much about the product post-TLC. Raw has been pretty awful most of the time, yeah, but then there's moments where it's so awful that it's hilarious, like Cena/Kane. And Raw has had two of my top choices for TV MotY so far, and total MotY. And Smackdown, I've already made my feelings clear on. Royal Rumble was good in my book, too. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i51.tinypic.com/2q9ggnn.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 9:28:00 PM #236: |
SD's undercard isn't really a bunch of squashes so much as it is the same two matches over and over again. Ted DiBiase vs Hunico, and Cody Rhodes vs Justin Gabriel. But they put on good undercard matches!
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Viktor Vaughn 02/16/12 9:28:00 PM #237: |
i love bryan's reign because it's the quick thinking chickens*** heel done right
dude uses his brain to weasel out of bad situations rather than waiting for some lackey to bail him out or just cheating blatantly, he manipulates those close to him to put himself in advantageous positions and pits his foes against one another to make his battles easier -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RL5 02/16/12 9:29:00 PM #238: |
Daniel Bryan's title reign has made me downright excited to watch Smackdown (and to a lesser extent, Raw) every week.
I haven't heard anyone complain about it before now, so I don't know what the actual complaints against it are, but I've loved it. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/81/1768646.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 9:31:00 PM #239: |
From: Lopen | #234 A fair chunk of the general 2011 awards from various places gave it to Cena vs. Punk, actually. But what about Orton vs. Christian wasn't good, in your opinion? I feel like they had 5 of the top 20 WWE matches of 2011 just 1-on-1 in that feud alone, and it followed a coherent and unusually fresh narrative, with a deeply fulfilling payoff (which is THE number one complaint about WWE booking generally, and rightfully so). Also TNA has been stepping up so it's not all WWE flopping when I say TNA has been the best show for weeks now. TNA is better than WWE right now, sure, but Raw two weeks ago was the best TV episode of any show all year IMO. TNA is not on some massive "Show of the Week" streak to me at least. Their PPVs are better than Impact, which is a total reversal of typical TNA. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 9:36:00 PM #240: |
I take it you're talking about SS with that payoff and not the random cage match from two weeks later >_>
But yeah not getting the criticism of that feud. I think Cena/Punk edges it, but Christian/Orton had a higher quantity of good matches. Dat OtL match, so good. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 9:37:00 PM #241: |
Well yeah the cage match is just WWE writing themselves into a hole when it comes to rematch clauses (Jakyl Becomes Head Booker Mandate #1: Mandatory Rematches Are Abolished).
The rest of the feud was so great though that I can be generous and call it "the denouement" -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lopen 02/16/12 9:40:00 PM #242: |
See I actually disagree on that. Bryan's had two tricks: 1. Provoke a guy ringside into causing a DQ/no contest. 2. Get AJ involved for an excuse to end the match. Then he just repeats them ad nauseam. Hell getting a lackey to bail him out would be fresh at this point for me, simply because he hasn't already done it 5 times.
As for my problem with Orton/Christian, it's that Christian ended up looking like a total tool. Christian didn't come off as competitive and he only managed to outwit Orton once. The matches were good if flawed because you never really felt Orton was in jeopardy, but the story wasn't good. It was basically... Christian's beaten by Orton->Christian starts to get desperate->manages to win by cheap tactics once->Orton wins on the rematch and beats Christian in every rematch. If there was a bit more of a chase from Orton, Christian abusing his lack of control over his rage or whatever to actually make Orton have something to overcome that would've been nice. I know your interpretation of the feud was that the feud was never about Orton and was all about Christian developing as a character, but I don't really feel like he developed in the end. Competitive matches->desperation cheating succeeds->cheating fails isn't exactly compelling character development beyond the first heel turn. Did Christian learn anything? What was the great payoff, exactly, aside from a good match? Edge telling Christian he's pathetic? -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Viktor Vaughn 02/16/12 9:41:00 PM #243: |
Jakyl Becomes Head Booker Mandate #1: Mandatory Rematches Are Abolished
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XIII_rocks 02/16/12 9:43:00 PM #244: |
I got why they had the cage match tbqh, NoC was a 5-week build and it is an easy way to just eat up a week.
But yeah it was a shame because the SS match was so perfect for ending it. Can't believe they had the final move be a throwback to their first match. Just a nice thing I never expected. -- XIII_rocks, the cream of XIII fanboyism. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 02/16/12 9:47:00 PM #245: |
Mandatory ANYTHING should be abolished. Flexibility > non-flexibility (note, this is also why brand sep and gimmick ppvs are terrible)
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RL5 02/16/12 9:48:00 PM #246: |
From: Lopen | #242 I'm more in love with the fact that he's a total delusional egomaniac who, even though he resorts to winning matches though really cowardly means, doesn't act like a coward at all. He gets right up in the faces of guys like Big Show, insulting them, and even slapping them. Also in that last match he had, he provoked a guy outside the ring not just to get the DQ, but to drive two of his PPV opponents against each other. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/10z8d29.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SmartMuffin 02/16/12 9:49:00 PM #247: |
Whether or not the whole DB thing ends up being really good or really terrible is completely contingent upon what they do with AJ. And given her lack of ability in the ring or on the mic combined with WWE writers' lack of ability to write decent female characters ever, my hopes are pretty low...
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RL5 02/16/12 9:53:00 PM #248: |
I mean the guy's been carrying even Big Show to *** matches at minimum. I'm willing to forgive him if all the matches have had similar endings.
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 9:53:00 PM #249: |
From: Lopen | #242 I disagree. I felt that Christian came across as very competitive, just not on Orton's level. You genuinely felt like Christian probably was the second-best in the World (of SmackDown at least). It was basically... Christian's beaten by Orton->Christian starts to get desperate->manages to win by cheap tactics once->Orton wins on the rematch and beats Christian in every rematch. You forgot the very first part of the story which is the crux of the whole thing: "Christian wins World Championship." The rest of the story dealt with what that meant, and especially when taken side-by-side with Cena/Punk, offered a very interesting subtext on what a Championship truly means. I know your interpretation of the feud was that the feud was never about Orton and was all about Christian developing as a character, but I don't really feel like he developed in the end....Did Christian learn anything? No, he didn't. And that's exactly what MAKES him pathetic. What was the great payoff, exactly, aside from a good match? Correction: a great match, best No-DQ style match of 2011. A match that mirrored their first match in that it was Christian desperately fighting to cling to his title against superior competition, but also showed Christian's (d)evolution as a character when compared to that match by highlighting the depths he would sink to remain in legal (but never rightful) possession of that Big Gold Belt. And the ending was pro wrestling symmetry at its finest. I really don't think it won by default. Cena vs. Punk captivated far more people. Richards vs. Edwards had arguably better matches and told a story just as well. There were other contenders, but Orton vs. Christian in my mind was the deserved winner. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JaKyL25 02/16/12 9:55:00 PM #250: |
From: SmartMuffin | #245 You hate the Royal Rumble? :-( -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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