Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 171: Against All Odds, a good TNA PPV!

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Lopen 02/11/12 1:41:00 PM #151:	From: TheRock1525 \| #150 I think people forget that Punk was doing it for his own selfish reasons. If that's what the story is actually supposed to be instead of what the perception is now due to no real drive from Punk to improve the product anymore after he was the champion due to lazy booking/writing, then Punk's character makes no sense. You don't intentionally make your top face in the company a hypocrite. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:777538] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #150I think people forget that Punk was doing it for his own selfish reasons.If that's what the story is actually supposed to be instead of what the perception is now due to no real drive from Punk to improve the product anymore after he was the champion due to lazy booking/writing, then Punk's character makes no sense.You don't intentionally make your top face in the company a hypocrite. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 1:41:00 PM #152:	Am I the only one who would be surprised if Jericho actually called out Punk's hypocrisy? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z430/RadLink5/valdez.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777539] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Am I the only one who would be surprised if Jericho actually called out Punk's hypocrisy? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z430/RadLink5/valdez.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 02/11/12 1:45:00 PM #153:	I would be surprised yeah. Just because he'd have a point and that's risky considering Jericho isn't entirely accepted as the heel by the audience right now. At the same time, having a point doesn't exactly work with WWE otherwise crowds would be booing The Rock by now, so Jericho could bring it up, have Punk and the announcers play it off as a load of crap, and WWE audiences might be nonethewiser. But it's risky given Jericho's current mixed reaction and Punk's recent rise to being the WWE's superhero I think. Thing is I could also see them going with it thinking WWE fans will buy anything they force down their throats, it blowing up in their face as the fans actually buy what Jericho is saying, and WWE being completely panicked. -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:777540] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> I would be surprised yeah. Just because he'd have a point and that's risky considering Jericho isn't entirely accepted as the heel by the audience right now.At the same time, having a point doesn't exactly work with WWE otherwise crowds would be booing The Rock by now, so Jericho could bring it up, have Punk and the announcers play it off as a load of crap, and WWE audiences might be nonethewiser. But it's risky given Jericho's current mixed reaction and Punk's recent rise to being the WWE's superhero I think. Thing is I could also see them going with it thinking WWE fans will buy anything they force down their throats, it blowing up in their face as the fans actually buy what Jericho is saying, and WWE being completely panicked. -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 1:45:00 PM #154:	From: TheRock1525 \| #150 Except remember that the reason he was so angry with the company was because someone like HIM wasn't afforded the opportunities. As much as people would like to believe he was fighting for the WWE, in truth he was fighting for himself. Fighting for guys who weren't the ass-kissers that guaranteed their spots in the WWE by sucking up to Vince. It's why guys like him and Bryan are finally getting a shot at being the top guys on their respective brands. His whole official reason for coming back after leaving was to fight to change the WWE. If what he wants to change is that guys like him and Bryan don't get chances, then he needs a new character, because he and Bryan are both World Champions. That change has already come and gone. His character for the past two months has now been "I really don't like that John Laurinaitis fellow." He cannot possibly be interesting if that is the only note he can play. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/30sga2r.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777541] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #150Except remember that the reason he was so angry with the company was because someone like HIM wasn't afforded the opportunities. As much as people would like to believe he was fighting for the WWE, in truth he was fighting for himself. Fighting for guys who weren't the ass-kissers that guaranteed their spots in the WWE by sucking up to Vince. It's why guys like him and Bryan are finally getting a shot at being the top guys on their respective brands.His whole official reason for coming back after leaving was to fight to change the WWE.If what he wants to change is that guys like him and Bryan don't get chances, then he needs a new character, because he and Bryan are both World Champions. That change has already come and gone. His character for the past two months has now been "I really don't like that John Laurinaitis fellow." He cannot possibly be interesting if that is the only note he can play. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i55.tinypic.com/30sga2r.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 02/11/12 1:47:00 PM #155:	Jericho would just have to err on the side of "I see right through you, Punk. You're not in this to be a revolutionary. You're just in it for yourself! And if ANYONE knows about manipulating the fans for self-glorification, it's me!" and then proceed to rattle off a few random Jericho catchphrases for the crowd to sing along to which proves his point. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:777542] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Jericho would just have to err on the side of "I see right through you, Punk. You're not in this to be a revolutionary. You're just in it for yourself! And if ANYONE knows about manipulating the fans for self-glorification, it's me!" and then proceed to rattle off a few random Jericho catchphrases for the crowd to sing along to which proves his point. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 02/11/12 1:53:00 PM #156:	jericho was 100% right with hbk when he turned heel. i don't think it'll be a problem if he ends up just being a full on tweener too. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:777543] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> jericho was 100% right with hbk when he turned heel.i don't think it'll be a problem if he ends up just being a full on tweener too. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 1:57:00 PM #157:	Yeah, but HBK then was at about the same place Jericho is now: the crowd loved him to death and I don't think there was much he could do to get booed. If Jericho had come back as a huge hypocrite but "officially" face, and then Punk tried to call Jericho out on his hypocricy, I think Punk would have started getting booed. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8528/secretariat.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777544] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, but HBK then was at about the same place Jericho is now: the crowd loved him to death and I don't think there was much he could do to get booed.If Jericho had come back as a huge hypocrite but "officially" face, and then Punk tried to call Jericho out on his hypocricy, I think Punk would have started getting booed. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8528/secretariat.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 02/11/12 1:58:00 PM #158:	From: TheRock1525 \| #150 The problem is that in the end, next to nothing was shaken up, and he's now the face for accepting the status quo and ignoring all his previous ambitions. Except remember that the reason he was so angry with the company was because someone like HIM wasn't afforded the opportunities. As much as people would like to believe he was fighting for the WWE, in truth he was fighting for himself. Fighting for guys who weren't the ass-kissers that guaranteed their spots in the WWE by sucking up to Vince. It's why guys like him and Bryan are finally getting a shot at being the top guys on their respective brands. I think people forget that Punk was doing it for his own selfish reasons. This would be fine, except thats pretty heel-ish for a top babyface. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:777545] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #150The problem is that in the end, next to nothing was shaken up, and he's now the face for accepting the status quo and ignoring all his previous ambitions.Except remember that the reason he was so angry with the company was because someone like HIM wasn't afforded the opportunities. As much as people would like to believe he was fighting for the WWE, in truth he was fighting for himself. Fighting for guys who weren't the ass-kissers that guaranteed their spots in the WWE by sucking up to Vince. It's why guys like him and Bryan are finally getting a shot at being the top guys on their respective brands. I think people forget that Punk was doing it for his own selfish reasons.This would be fine, except thats pretty heel-ish for a top babyface. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/11/12 2:05:00 PM #159:	Given the Rock factor, the WM crowd is probably going to be very old and very smarky. I think the best-case scenario for Punk is an evenly divided crowd, and probably more likely that the crowd is overwhelmingly pro-Jericho. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:777546] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Given the Rock factor, the WM crowd is probably going to be very old and very smarky. I think the best-case scenario for Punk is an evenly divided crowd, and probably more likely that the crowd is overwhelmingly pro-Jericho. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 2:08:00 PM #160:	See, I would say the reason Punk is "content" is because he HAS been a catalyst for change. The door is now open for guys like him and Bryan, and for future wrestlers, to be top guys in the business. That was his "catalyst for change." Is it not to the level that is "acceptable?" Maybe, personally I'm fine with it and I'm fine with Punk, but if that's not enough for you that's your opinion I guess. What bothers me, though, is that when Jericho promised "the end of the world as you know it" and I get annoyed when it turns out all he does is call people wannabes, I get told "oh, it's just hyperbole." But when Punk says he's a "catalyst for change" and there's actual change (maybe not to the degree you wanted, but there is change), he becomes a hypocrite. Honestly, the main reason I got back into wrestling was the summer of Punk, and the main reason I even watch Raw is because of Punk, because at least he's entertaining even if he's not exactly what people want. It's certainly better than watching Cena make his stupid poop-face while "embracing the hate" in an angle that featured 27 consecutive Zack Ryder beat-downs. This would be fine, except thats pretty heel-ish for a top babyface. And? A lot of people hate the fact that when a heel turns face, they drop qualities they had before. I'm fine with Punk doing heelish things. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777547] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> See, I would say the reason Punk is "content" is because he HAS been a catalyst for change. The door is now open for guys like him and Bryan, and for future wrestlers, to be top guys in the business. That was his "catalyst for change." Is it not to the level that is "acceptable?" Maybe, personally I'm fine with it and I'm fine with Punk, but if that's not enough for you that's your opinion I guess.What bothers me, though, is that when Jericho promised "the end of the world as you know it" and I get annoyed when it turns out all he does is call people wannabes, I get told "oh, it's just hyperbole." But when Punk says he's a "catalyst for change" and there's actual change (maybe not to the degree you wanted, but there is change), he becomes a hypocrite. Honestly, the main reason I got back into wrestling was the summer of Punk, and the main reason I even watch Raw is because of Punk, because at least he's entertaining even if he's not exactly what people want. It's certainly better than watching Cena make his stupid poop-face while "embracing the hate" in an angle that featured 27 consecutive Zack Ryder beat-downs. This would be fine, except thats pretty heel-ish for a top babyface.And? A lot of people hate the fact that when a heel turns face, they drop qualities they had before. I'm fine with Punk doing heelish things. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 02/11/12 2:11:00 PM #161:	so oyu have no problems with the number 2 andn umber 3 babyfaces being a psychopath and a hypocrite respectively? because its hard for me to swallow sometimes. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:777548] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> so oyu have no problems with the number 2 andn umber 3 babyfaces being a psychopath and a hypocrite respectively? because its hard for me to swallow sometimes. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 2:11:00 PM #162:	From: TheRock1525 \| #160 What bothers me, though, is that when Jericho promised "the end of the world as you know it" and I get annoyed when it turns out all he does is call people wannabes, I get told "oh, it's just hyperbole." There was, like, one person who said it was just hyperbole, and I don't think he had a problem with Punk's think either. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6771/pacanat.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777549] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #160What bothers me, though, is that when Jericho promised "the end of the world as you know it" and I get annoyed when it turns out all he does is call people wannabes, I get told "oh, it's just hyperbole."There was, like, one person who said it was just hyperbole, and I don't think he had a problem with Punk's think either. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img801.imageshack.us/img801/6771/pacanat.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 02/11/12 2:15:00 PM #163:	Let's not forget that Punk has changed things a bit and WWE acknowledges that. They had that Punk-as-Obama poster on the front page of their website for example. I mean when people say they want Punk to "start a revolution", specifically what does that entail? What ACTUAL changes do you think Punk should make? Right now he's campaigning hard to get a (kayfabe) bumbling, jealous, inept, boring middle-management fool out of the job because he's seen it all before and he's been completely disingenuous since the "your job is under review" thing came up, and is not really interesting or dynamic (I like Ace, but that's the way his character is supposed to be I think). That's change - I mean it's not like he can be meta all the time. Getting rid of Ace is a kayfabe change rather than something real but you start screwing with things if he's constantly being meta about it. It does seem like he just rails against whatever authority figure is in charge - first Vince, then HHH, then Ace - but yeah, all three of them have been c*s to Punk in some way, shape or form (Ace more behind the scenes, but in kayfabe he did screw Punk against Ziggler like four times or something) so it makes sense. It'd be weird to see Punk "OK" with the authority figure, even if it was somebody like Foley who he respected. -- 2011 WWYD Champion I do things for money and games. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:777550] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Let's not forget that Punk has changed things a bit and WWE acknowledges that. They had that Punk-as-Obama poster on the front page of their website for example.I mean when people say they want Punk to "start a revolution", specifically what does that entail? What ACTUAL changes do you think Punk should make? Right now he's campaigning hard to get a (kayfabe) bumbling, jealous, inept, boring middle-management fool out of the job because he's seen it all before and he's been completely disingenuous since the "your job is under review" thing came up, and is not really interesting or dynamic (I like Ace, but that's the way his character is supposed to be I think). That's change - I mean it's not like he can be meta all the time. Getting rid of Ace is a kayfabe change rather than something real but you start screwing with things if he's constantly being meta about it.It does seem like he just rails against whatever authority figure is in charge - first Vince, then HHH, then Ace - but yeah, all three of them have been c*s to Punk in some way, shape or form (Ace more behind the scenes, but in kayfabe he did screw Punk against Ziggler like four times or something) so it makes sense. It'd be weird to see Punk "OK" with the authority figure, even if it was somebody like Foley who he respected. -- 2011 WWYD ChampionI do things for money and games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 2:15:00 PM #164:	*edwardsdv posted...* so oyu have no problems with the number 2 andn umber 3 babyfaces being a psychopath and a hypocrite respectively? Nope! (Although I don't think Punk is a hypocrite as he's never really changed his position). Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a*****s. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.* "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777551] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> edwardsdv posted...so oyu have no problems with the number 2 andn umber 3 babyfaces being a psychopath and a hypocrite respectively?Nope! (Although I don't think Punk is a hypocrite as he's never really changed his position).Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a******s. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 02/11/12 2:16:00 PM #165:	It's not like you can't reconcile Punk being partly in it for himself with the rest of his character. Stick to the part where he said he wants success in the WWE to be based on ability instead of being Vince's favourite, add in that Punk believes himself to be the best in the world...boom, he genuinely wants a WWE where he can fight his way to the top and continuously prove he belongs there. He's already not a cookie cutter bland face, he's probably more anti-heroish than Orton is now, the audience isn't going to be too bothered by the idea that Punk is aware he'll benefit from the changes he wants. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:777552] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> It's not like you can't reconcile Punk being partly in it for himself with the rest of his character. Stick to the part where he said he wants success in the WWE to be based on ability instead of being Vince's favourite, add in that Punk believes himself to be the best in the world...boom, he genuinely wants a WWE where he can fight his way to the top and continuously prove he belongs there. He's already not a cookie cutter bland face, he's probably more anti-heroish than Orton is now, the audience isn't going to be too bothered by the idea that Punk is aware he'll benefit from the changes he wants. -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 02/11/12 2:20:00 PM #166:	Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a****s The only one who wasn't really was Foley -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:777553] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a******sThe only one who wasn't really was Foley -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 2:22:00 PM #167:	*DeathChicken posted...* Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a*****s The only one who wasn't really was Foley And Foley could still fall under the psychopath grouping based on just his matches alone (wooo thumbtacks and barbed-wire bats). -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man.* "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777554] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> DeathChicken posted...Then again, I'm a product of the attitude era, where all the faces were truly a******sThe only one who wasn't really was FoleyAnd Foley could still fall under the psychopath grouping based on just his matches alone (wooo thumbtacks and barbed-wire bats). -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 2:22:00 PM #168:	In the Attitude Era, the McMahon family was such an incredible collection of dicks that anyone could be a face simply by opposing them. It didn't matter how much of a dick you were, there was no way you were as big a dick as any one of the McMahons. Plus I'm not really sure there were any true baby faces in the Main Event back then, anyway. Rock and Austin always seemed more like tweeners. Edit: Oh right; Foley. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1804/valdez.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777555] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> In the Attitude Era, the McMahon family was such an incredible collection of dicks that anyone could be a face simply by opposing them. It didn't matter how much of a dick you were, there was no way you were as big a dick as any one of the McMahons.Plus I'm not really sure there were any true baby faces in the Main Event back then, anyway. Rock and Austin always seemed more like tweeners.Edit: Oh right; Foley. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1804/valdez.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 2:29:00 PM #169:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* In the Attitude Era, the McMahon family was such an incredible collection of dicks that anyone could be a face simply by opposing them. It didn't matter how much of a dick you were, there was no way you were as big a dick as any one of the McMahons. Plus I'm not really sure there were any true baby faces in the Main Event back then, anyway. Rock and Austin always seemed more like tweeners. Edit: Oh right; Foley. Yeah, but the McMahons didn't always represent the major antagonist during the Attitude Era. It wasn't like "Oh hey, McMahon is off TV, guess we should start booing Austin now cause he's not a nice person." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777556] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...In the Attitude Era, the McMahon family was such an incredible collection of dicks that anyone could be a face simply by opposing them. It didn't matter how much of a dick you were, there was no way you were as big a dick as any one of the McMahons.Plus I'm not really sure there were any true baby faces in the Main Event back then, anyway. Rock and Austin always seemed more like tweeners.Edit: Oh right; Foley.Yeah, but the McMahons didn't always represent the major antagonist during the Attitude Era. It wasn't like "Oh hey, McMahon is off TV, guess we should start booing Austin now cause he's not a nice person." -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 2:30:00 PM #170:	I mean, do we want to go back to an era where guys like 2005-2008 Cena is the acceptable babyface norm? Do we think Rocky Maivia is better than The Rock? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777557] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> I mean, do we want to go back to an era where guys like 2005-2008 Cena is the acceptable babyface norm? Do we think Rocky Maivia is better than The Rock? -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 2:48:00 PM #171:	I don't mean to say there weren't any, because I'm sure there were, but who were the major antagonists in the Attidue Era when the McMahons were off TV? I was counting Triple H amongst the McMahons, and he's the only one I can remember at the moment. No, we don't want 2005-2008 Cena, and I'm not even arguing that there's a problem with the top babyface being a dangerous psychopath. But the number two babyface shouldn't be a hypocrite who manipulated the fans to get where he is now. And right now, CM Punk's character is either that, or a dude who really doesn't like his boss for being boring. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/eajnl2.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777558] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> I don't mean to say there weren't any, because I'm sure there were, but who were the major antagonists in the Attidue Era when the McMahons were off TV? I was counting Triple H amongst the McMahons, and he's the only one I can remember at the moment.No, we don't want 2005-2008 Cena, and I'm not even arguing that there's a problem with the top babyface being a dangerous psychopath. But the number two babyface shouldn't be a hypocrite who manipulated the fans to get where he is now. And right now, CM Punk's character is either that, or a dude who really doesn't like his boss for being boring. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i54.tinypic.com/eajnl2.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:00:00 PM #172:	I would be with you if I actually believed Punk is a hypocrite. I don't. At all. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777559] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> I would be with you if I actually believed Punk is a hypocrite.I don't. At all. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 02/11/12 3:02:00 PM #173:	Man, how is CM Punk still not shaking things up from the norm? Johnny Ace screws Zack Ryder, John Cena, and Eve constantly, and John Cena just goes grrr face and doesn't do anything. Johnny Ace screws with CM Punk is lesser ways than those three and Punk gets in his face, tells him he's going to kick his ass if he tries to screw him, and GTS's him to drive that point home. The only issue is that they decided to involve Triple H again when Punk was striking gold. So instead of getting Johnny Ace actually trying to screw Punk at the PPV and us getting to see what happens there, we see Johnny Ace have a change of heart, and Big Johnny bashfully allows Punk to win, thus ending their feud. Imagine if Johnny Ace did actually screw Punk, or if he tried to screw Punk. Do you think Punk would've just let him? Hell no. Judging by how everything has happened, Punk would probably tear him apart. The issue lies with the fact that Triple H insertion ruins yet another one of Punk's biggest runs. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:777560] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Man, how is CM Punk still not shaking things up from the norm?Johnny Ace screws Zack Ryder, John Cena, and Eve constantly, and John Cena just goes grrr face and doesn't do anything.Johnny Ace screws with CM Punk is lesser ways than those three and Punk gets in his face, tells him he's going to kick his ass if he tries to screw him, and GTS's him to drive that point home.The only issue is that they decided to involve Triple H again when Punk was striking gold. So instead of getting Johnny Ace actually trying to screw Punk at the PPV and us getting to see what happens there, we see Johnny Ace have a change of heart, and Big Johnny bashfully allows Punk to win, thus ending their feud.Imagine if Johnny Ace did actually screw Punk, or if he tried to screw Punk. Do you think Punk would've just let him? Hell no. Judging by how everything has happened, Punk would probably tear him apart. The issue lies with the fact that Triple H insertion ruins yet another one of Punk's biggest runs. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 3:03:00 PM #174:	Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring. Equally bad. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777561] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring.Equally bad. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:05:00 PM #175:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring. Equally bad. No, not really. This is the ENTERTAINMENT business. If you're not ENTERTAINING then you shouldn't be on TV. Him raging against Johnny Ace makes perfect sense. If only he'd rage against the Big Show. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777562] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring.Equally bad.No, not really. This is the ENTERTAINMENT business. If you're not ENTERTAINING then you shouldn't be on TV. Him raging against Johnny Ace makes perfect sense.If only he'd rage against the Big Show. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 02/11/12 3:06:00 PM #176:	-- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:777563] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 3:07:00 PM #177:	But I mean it's his boss. He's the one who's supposed to be entertaining here! That's like a mail man getting mad at his boss for not delivering enough letters! -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/mha5o9.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777564] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> But I mean it's his boss.He's the one who's supposed to be entertaining here! That's like a mail man getting mad at his boss for not delivering enough letters! -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i54.tinypic.com/mha5o9.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:07:00 PM #178:	In fact, the only saving grace to the CM Punk/Johnny Ace feud is the fact that Punk was absolutely right. Johnny can't accept the fact that he's boring and no one cares who he was or wants to see him on TV. So he involves himself with Punk (good, bad, or otherwise) because he's trying to leech off someone who actually is entertaining and people want to see. It's why CM Punk's "the reason why you suck" speech was so good and should have really ended everything between them. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777565] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> In fact, the only saving grace to the CM Punk/Johnny Ace feud is the fact that Punk was absolutely right. Johnny can't accept the fact that he's boring and no one cares who he was or wants to see him on TV. So he involves himself with Punk (good, bad, or otherwise) because he's trying to leech off someone who actually is entertaining and people want to see.It's why CM Punk's "the reason why you suck" speech was so good and should have really ended everything between them. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 02/11/12 3:08:00 PM #179:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #174 Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring. Equally bad. No, he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being incompetent and corrupt -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. <cite>Panthera posted [p:777566] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #174Then he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being boring.Equally bad.No, he's a dude who doesn't like his boss for being incompetent and corrupt -- Mistake you're making - overlooking the fact that we might not want to be saved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:09:00 PM #180:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* But I mean it's his boss. He's the one who's supposed to be entertaining here! That's like a mail man getting mad at his boss for not delivering enough letters! Actually, it's more like the mail-man's boss hanging around the mail-man, trying to deliver the letters himself even though he sucks at it and the mail-man just wants to be left alone to do his job. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777567] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...But I mean it's his boss.He's the one who's supposed to be entertaining here! That's like a mail man getting mad at his boss for not delivering enough letters!Actually, it's more like the mail-man's boss hanging around the mail-man, trying to deliver the letters himself even though he sucks at it and the mail-man just wants to be left alone to do his job. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 3:12:00 PM #181:	From: TheRock1525 \| #178 In fact, the only saving grace to the CM Punk/Johnny Ace feud is the fact that Punk was absolutely right. Johnny can't accept the fact that he's boring and no one cares who he was or wants to see him on TV. So he involves himself with Punk (good, bad, or otherwise) because he's trying to leech off someone who actually is entertaining and people want to see. It's why CM Punk's "the reason why you suck" speech was so good and should have really ended everything between them. Yeah, the feud got really good when CM Punk closed that one Raw by ranting against him, and I was ready to forget Punk's agent of change character, and then suddenly Triple H came back and ruined all of that and now Punk basically doesn't have any sort of direction other than "Jericho is attacking me, so I guess I'd better go hold up my title." I mean yeah, great, he's going to go feud with Jericho, but they've got to give me a reason to care about Punk's character this week because his last two storylines have ended incredibly unsatisfactorily and I'm just not even sure why I should care about his character right now. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7972/tokidoandi3.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777568] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #178In fact, the only saving grace to the CM Punk/Johnny Ace feud is the fact that Punk was absolutely right. Johnny can't accept the fact that he's boring and no one cares who he was or wants to see him on TV. So he involves himself with Punk (good, bad, or otherwise) because he's trying to leech off someone who actually is entertaining and people want to see.It's why CM Punk's "the reason why you suck" speech was so good and should have really ended everything between them.Yeah, the feud got really good when CM Punk closed that one Raw by ranting against him, and I was ready to forget Punk's agent of change character, and then suddenly Triple H came back and ruined all of that and now Punk basically doesn't have any sort of direction other than "Jericho is attacking me, so I guess I'd better go hold up my title."I mean yeah, great, he's going to go feud with Jericho, but they've got to give me a reason to care about Punk's character this week because his last two storylines have ended incredibly unsatisfactorily and I'm just not even sure why I should care about his character right now. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7972/tokidoandi3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:22:00 PM #182:	The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving. Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything. Of course, if Jericho pushes the right button, Punk is very good at shredding people when necessary. Jericho is pretty good at it, too, which means once they finally have a major verbal sparring match it's going to be good. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777569] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving.Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything.Of course, if Jericho pushes the right button, Punk is very good at shredding people when necessary. Jericho is pretty good at it, too, which means once they finally have a major verbal sparring match it's going to be good. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 3:42:00 PM #183:	From: TheRock1525 \| #182 The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving. Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything. I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic. My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started. Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in." I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i56.tinypic.com/j952zk.gif <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777570] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #182The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving.Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything.I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic.My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started.Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in."I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i56.tinypic.com/j952zk.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 02/11/12 3:44:00 PM #184:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #183 I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic. My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started. Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in." I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get. Im willing to put the dissatisfactory title reign thing on MitB-- Del Rio becoming champ and the subsequent feud was bad. Punk got the title back and immediately lost it and by the time he got it back from Del Rio, you forgot why he needed the title in the first place. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:777571] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #183I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic.My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started.Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in."I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get.Im willing to put the dissatisfactory title reign thing on MitB-- Del Rio becoming champ and the subsequent feud was bad. Punk got the title back and immediately lost it and by the time he got it back from Del Rio, you forgot why he needed the title in the first place. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 3:50:00 PM #185:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* From: TheRock1525 \| #182 The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving. Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything. I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic. My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started. Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in." I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get. See, this is where we disagree. I think Punk has made the Championship (and the WWE in general) interesting again. He's made wrestling interesting again. It's why I'm even following the WWE again after largely being indifferent towards the product for a good 8 or so years. Perhaps it's because I've been out of it so long, but CM Punk was by far the most interesting thing to happen in wrestling in a long time for me. And since then, he's been very entertaining, even if he isn't always the "voice of the voiceless" and he's not always doing worked shoots. Feel free to disagree with me, but I do care about Punk, I do care about his character, and I do care what happens next. And I place any problems he's had on the guys he's working with, who largely bore me to tears. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777572] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...From: TheRock1525 \| #182The Jericho thing was clearly him trolling Jericho right back, hence why Jericho got so upset and yelled at him while he was leaving.Jericho is calling CM Punk a wannabe, so CM Punk acts like Jericho did when he returned (not saying a word), and it frustrated Jericho because he wanted a bigger reaction from CM Punk. He thought he cut to CM Punk's core, and Punk just shrugging it off pissed Jericho off more than anything.I understand that. I think I was the first person to explain it to whoever wasn't getting it in the last topic.My point is that I really, really need a reason to care about his character right now, and as well executed as that was last week, it was not a reason to care about his character. He needs to have some sort of reason for existing. I mean remember when he said he was going to make the WWE Championship interesting again? How? Has he already done that? That was months ago and I don't know if that's still going on or if it even ever started.Basically, what is Punk's motivation right now? He has been in a bunch of terrible feuds, and at one point about a month ago he was literally just a guy walking around backstage with the WWE Championship and a smile. To me, the viewer, it felt like he was just showing up because he had to. Punk needs to... I don't know, get angry. Anger is a form of motivation. Get angry at Jericho and say you're going to prove him wrong. Whatever, just do something where I can go "Okay, that's why he's showing up every week. He wants to kick Jericho's teeth in."I'm just ridiculously unsatisfied with his character right now, and the more I think about it, the more unsatisfied I get.See, this is where we disagree.I think Punk has made the Championship (and the WWE in general) interesting again. He's made wrestling interesting again. It's why I'm even following the WWE again after largely being indifferent towards the product for a good 8 or so years. Perhaps it's because I've been out of it so long, but CM Punk was by far the most interesting thing to happen in wrestling in a long time for me. And since then, he's been very entertaining, even if he isn't always the "voice of the voiceless" and he's not always doing worked shoots. Feel free to disagree with me, but I do care about Punk, I do care about his character, and I do care what happens next. And I place any problems he's had on the guys he's working with, who largely bore me to tears. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edwardsdv 02/11/12 3:59:00 PM #186:	From: TheRock1525 \| #185 See, this is where we disagree. I think Punk has made the Championship (and the WWE in general) interesting again. He's made wrestling interesting again. It's why I'm even following the WWE again after largely being indifferent towards the product for a good 8 or so years. Perhaps it's because I've been out of it so long, but CM Punk was by far the most interesting thing to happen in wrestling in a long time for me. And since then, he's been very entertaining, even if he isn't always the "voice of the voiceless" and he's not always doing worked shoots. Feel free to disagree with me, but I do care about Punk, I do care about his character, and I do care what happens next. And I place any problems he's had on the guys he's working with, who largely bore me to tears. Punk and Bryan are where the potential PROBABLY lies, but I'd honestly at this point rather be watching John Cena vs. The Nexus. Nothing in the WWE is really hitting on all cylinders, the best thing currently running is Trips vs. Taker 2 and I really don't want to see that match. Which is probably why I prefer TNA at the moment. Its got a lower ceiling but its delivering right now. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.png edwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? <cite>edwardsdv posted [p:777573] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> From: TheRock1525 \| #185See, this is where we disagree.I think Punk has made the Championship (and the WWE in general) interesting again. He's made wrestling interesting again. It's why I'm even following the WWE again after largely being indifferent towards the product for a good 8 or so years. Perhaps it's because I've been out of it so long, but CM Punk was by far the most interesting thing to happen in wrestling in a long time for me. And since then, he's been very entertaining, even if he isn't always the "voice of the voiceless" and he's not always doing worked shoots. Feel free to disagree with me, but I do care about Punk, I do care about his character, and I do care what happens next. And I place any problems he's had on the guys he's working with, who largely bore me to tears.Punk and Bryan are where the potential PROBABLY lies, but I'd honestly at this point rather be watching John Cena vs. The Nexus. Nothing in the WWE is really hitting on all cylinders, the best thing currently running is Trips vs. Taker 2 and I really don't want to see that match.Which is probably why I prefer TNA at the moment. Its got a lower ceiling but its delivering right now. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/81edpngej.pngedwardsdv and swordz9 are basically the comedy heel tag team of this topic, why would people be taking them seriously? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:00:00 PM #187:	The idea of Trips/Taker III makes me sick to my stomach. It's completely unsatisfying no matter who wins. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777574] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> The idea of Trips/Taker III makes me sick to my stomach.It's completely unsatisfying no matter who wins. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 4:11:00 PM #188:	Even if you find Punk exciting, I'm talking about kayfabe. In kayfabe, what has he done to try and make the title interesting again? If that's his character's motivation, why is it I never see his character actually doing anything to try and make it interesting? Is his idea of the championship being interesting him occasionally defending it against whoever he's told to defend it against? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i54.tinypic.com/ru343c.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777575] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Even if you find Punk exciting, I'm talking about kayfabe. In kayfabe, what has he done to try and make the title interesting again? If that's his character's motivation, why is it I never see his character actually doing anything to try and make it interesting? Is his idea of the championship being interesting him occasionally defending it against whoever he's told to defend it against? -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i54.tinypic.com/ru343c.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 02/11/12 4:11:00 PM #189:	The only proper ending to it is Taker retiring HHH. But I fear it'll be the other way around -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:777576] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> The only proper ending to it is Taker retiring HHH. But I fear it'll be the other way around -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/11/12 4:14:00 PM #190:	Taker wins this year. Cena bets Taker next year. Only way to do it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:777577] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Taker wins this year. Cena bets Taker next year. Only way to do it. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 4:16:00 PM #191:	There's no way Triple H can be that vain. I mean I know it's Triple H we're talking about. And I know the build up already looks to be pointing towards him winning. But there's just no damn way he would waste the streak snapping on himself. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1292/5l10w.jpg <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777578] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> There's no way Triple H can be that vain.I mean I know it's Triple H we're talking about. And I know the build up already looks to be pointing towards him winning.But there's just no damn way he would waste the streak snapping on himself. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://img703.imageshack.us/img703/1292/5l10w.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 02/11/12 4:25:00 PM #192:	See, my worry is that Taker actually respects HHH, knows he might be physically done, and will literally come to him IRL and say "Please end the streak" and HHH will see it as doing the honorable thing by fulfilling a friend's retirement request. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:777579] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> See, my worry is that Taker actually respects HHH, knows he might be physically done, and will literally come to him IRL and say "Please end the streak" and HHH will see it as doing the honorable thing by fulfilling a friend's retirement request. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:28:00 PM #193:	*Rad Link 5 posted...* Even if you find Punk exciting, I'm talking about kayfabe. In kayfabe, what has he done to try and make the title interesting again? If that's his character's motivation, why is it I never see his character actually doing anything to try and make it interesting? Is his idea of the championship being interesting him occasionally defending it against whoever he's told to defend it against? Kayfabe-wise, CM Punk is exciting because he's "the best in the world" and the best in the world holding the title is inherently better than anyone else holding it. You're arguing non-kayfabe reasons why CM Punk is "uninteresting" to you. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777580] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Rad Link 5 posted...Even if you find Punk exciting, I'm talking about kayfabe. In kayfabe, what has he done to try and make the title interesting again? If that's his character's motivation, why is it I never see his character actually doing anything to try and make it interesting? Is his idea of the championship being interesting him occasionally defending it against whoever he's told to defend it against?Kayfabe-wise, CM Punk is exciting because he's "the best in the world" and the best in the world holding the title is inherently better than anyone else holding it. You're arguing non-kayfabe reasons why CM Punk is "uninteresting" to you. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:29:00 PM #194:	Also, HHH will win because you can't lose to the same guy three times at WM. Look at The Rock. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777581] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Also, HHH will win because you can't lose to the same guy three times at WM. Look at The Rock. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 4:32:00 PM #195:	No, I have been for a while now, saying that CM Punk's character is terrible and uninteresting right now because he has no reason for existing. I'm obviously not making a nihilistic remark about Punk. I'm talking about how, his character said he would do one thing, and hasn't done it. You twisted it by talking about how, in real life, CM Punk has done what his character said he would by making wrestling interesting to you again. I clarified that if I'm talking about his character not doing what his character said he would do, I'm clearly talking about kayfabe. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police http://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777582] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> No, I have been for a while now, saying that CM Punk's character is terrible and uninteresting right now because he has no reason for existing.I'm obviously not making a nihilistic remark about Punk. I'm talking about how, his character said he would do one thing, and hasn't done it. You twisted it by talking about how, in real life, CM Punk has done what his character said he would by making wrestling interesting to you again. I clarified that if I'm talking about his character not doing what his character said he would do, I'm clearly talking about kayfabe. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Policehttp://i55.tinypic.com/16ljqbl.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:34:00 PM #196:	And that's your opinion. Punk has made wrestling plenty interesting for me over the past 6 months. So I'm not really going to argue with you if we fundamentally disagree on this. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777583] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> And that's your opinion. Punk has made wrestling plenty interesting for me over the past 6 months.So I'm not really going to argue with you if we fundamentally disagree on this. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 02/11/12 4:37:00 PM #197:	Also, HHH will win because you can't lose to the same guy three times at WM. Look at The Rock. Fortunately, they're pretending the first HHH/Taker match didn't exist -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:777584] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> Also, HHH will win because you can't lose to the same guy three times at WM. Look at The Rock.Fortunately, they're pretending the first HHH/Taker match didn't exist -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:40:00 PM #198:	They did acknowledge their first meeting, though! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777585] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> They did acknowledge their first meeting, though! -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 02/11/12 4:45:00 PM #199:	I'm not trying to argue over a fundamental difference, I am trying to correct a misunderstanding you keep having. I'm not talking about whether Philip Jack Brooks has made wrestling interesting over the past six months. At all. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' Police I assure you, my dear, all Ace Detectives are perfect gentlemen! <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:777586] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> I'm not trying to argue over a fundamental difference, I am trying to correct a misunderstanding you keep having.I'm not talking about whether Philip Jack Brooks has made wrestling interesting over the past six months. At all. -- Ace Detective in Sir Chris' PoliceI assure you, my dear, all Ace Detectives are perfect gentlemen! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/11/12 4:50:00 PM #200:	And like I said, I think he has. Kayfabe or not. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:777587] in All-Purpos... [t:61917321]...</cite> <quote> And like I said, I think he has. Kayfabe or not. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man."You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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