I remember in middle school, some kid had apparently misbehaved at home, so his mom came to school during lunch wearing hooker makeup, and she kept kissing him all over the face to embarrass him, and he had all these lipstick prints on his face. He was crying.
Later that day, the school called all the students into a room to discuss what we saw during lunch, and how it was a bad thing. lol.
Leebo86 posted... From: LordoftheMorons | #095 It's also not really reasonable to expect your 15 year old to have a job, at least during the school year You do realize this was in response to the fact that she was b****ing about not getting paid for 15 minutes of chores.
He said he had already made her fill out a job application, which would have been before he saw the post, unless I'm misremembering something here.
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From: LordoftheMorons | #100 Yeah, it was really childish of her, but do you really think that's enough to justify destroying her laptop and humiliating her?
Uh... what?
You: He shouldn't expect her to have a job Me: He said she could get a job if she wants money on luxury items You: But is that a good reason to destroy her laptop?
That's fair, I guess, but I still really don't get the feeling from the video that he was doing it for attention. To draw attention to the situation, sure -- her friends seeing it was kind of the goal -- but not in a self-centered, childish way. More like a "this is the most effective way to present the message I'm trying to teach my child".
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From: Leebo86 | #096 You do realize this was in response to the fact that she was b****ing about not getting paid for 15 minutes of chores.
So? House Chores are stupid, and always have been. Parents need to learn that having a kid is their responsibility until they are 18. Kid really shouldn't have to do **** all besides school work. if you really wanted to teach them a thing about life, label every dish in the house to a selective person, they can only use theirs. that way you'll end up washing your dish because you ran out of your own plates to use. Don't wash their clothes. Make them do it. It's more effective than saying "DO HOUSE CHORES" etc. Because they'll realize that no one will like them living like a pig. If you want something done. Do it yourself.
From: dragon22391 | #104 That's fair, I guess, but I still really don't get the feeling from the video that he was doing it for attention. To draw attention to the situation, sure -- her friends seeing it was kind of the goal -- but not in a self-centered, childish way. More like a "this is the most effective way to present the message I'm trying to teach my child".
I really don't think it is though and it's far more childish than anything she did. Just a big kid with a gun tbqh.
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From: LordoftheMorons | #106 Yeah that was some reading comprehension failure on my part, I just saw you quoting me and assumed you had been quoting my whole post.
Ah.
From: LordoftheMorons | #102 He said he had already made her fill out a job application, which would have been before he saw the post, unless I'm misremembering something here.
Well, my guess is this wasn't the first time he's heard some of these remarks.
From: jdizzy156 | #108 I didnt know being a good parent makes you a douche lol
Punishing her for what she said is the right thing to do, sure. Doing it so publically is wrong because it makes the situation as much about him as it is about her (see this discussion). Rooting around on her facebook, if that's what he was doing, was incredibly pushy and bad parenting.
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VitalVI posted... From: Leebo86 | #096 You do realize this was in response to the fact that she was b****ing about not getting paid for 15 minutes of chores. So? House Chores are stupid, and always have been. Parents need to learn that having a kid is their responsibility until they are 18. Kid really shouldn't have to do **** all besides school work. if you really wanted to teach them a thing about life, label every dish in the house to a selective person, they can only use theirs. that way you'll end up washing your dish because you ran out of your own plates to use. Don't wash their clothes. Make them do it. It's more effective than saying "DO HOUSE CHORES" etc. Because they'll realize that no one will like them living like a pig. If you want something done. Do it yourself.
you didn't watch the whole video. He said quite clearly she only has to do small chores. Putting dishes away, wiping down the countertop, and making her bed. yeah, she's really busting her ass there!
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Ultimately I don't see how publically shooting your daughter's laptop because she b****ed about you behind your back - which is standard teenage fare - is good parenting. It's for the lulz, making a mockery of her in front of the entire internet.
Hilarious for us - because she does come off as a cow - but not...good parenting.
From: Sakurafanboy | #112 you didn't watch the whole video. He said quite clearly she only has to do small chores. Putting dishes away, wiping down the countertop, and making her bed. yeah, she's really busting her ass there!
My way is still more effective. She can put her own dishes away. not her dads. It's practically like living on your own, but with people in the house. Aka Preparing for the real world when people move out on their own.
VitalVI posted... From: Sakurafanboy | #112 you didn't watch the whole video. He said quite clearly she only has to do small chores. Putting dishes away, wiping down the countertop, and making her bed. yeah, she's really busting her ass there! My way is still more effective. She can put her own dishes away. not her dads. It's practically like living on your own, but with people in the house. Aka Preparing for the real world when people move out on their own.
The father's providing her a place to live, the least she could do is the counter and put dishes away. ~_~ Its not back breaking work and she needs to stop being so damn entitled.
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From: Ry Senkari | #115 The dad was way too harsh. I'll probably overturn the destruction of her computer and fix it if she disputes.
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From: Sakurafanboy | #116 The father's providing her a place to live, the least she could do is the counter and put dishes away. ~_~ Its not back breaking work and she needs to stop being so damn entitled.
and that brings things to the point "RESPONSIBLE FOR CHILD UNTIL 18" which idiot parents like him seem to forget. So him providing a place to live doesn't mater until she is 18!.
VitalVI posted... From: Sakurafanboy | #116 The father's providing her a place to live, the least she could do is the counter and put dishes away. ~_~ Its not back breaking work and she needs to stop being so damn entitled. and that brings things to the point "RESPONSIBLE FOR CHILD UNTIL 18" which idiot parents like him seem to forget. So him providing a place to live doesn't mater until she is 18!.
She can still help out around the house. She's being a ****ing spoiled brat and so are you in this case. The father may have gone too far, but he had a right to want to give her literal hell. He does a lot for her and gets **** on in return. He didn't have to get her those programs on her laptop, he didn't even have to buy the damn laptop in the first place. The father seems like he did a lot for her and only wanted a few chores done in return. She couldn't even do that. Self-centered little ***** she is.
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Sakurafanboy posted... She can still help out around the house. She's being a ****ing spoiled brat and so are you in this case. The father may have gone too far, but he had a right to want to give her literal hell. He does a lot for her and gets **** on in return. He didn't have to get her those programs on her laptop, he didn't even have to buy the damn laptop in the first place. The father seems like he did a lot for her and only wanted a few chores done in return. She couldn't even do that. Self-centered little ***** she is.
Geez bro calm down
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A bit harsh in my opinion. What's he doing buying her all this stuff if she isn't grateful? This is why you give her an allowance for doing chores and have her buy all this ****. That's how my parents raised me.
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From: Menji76 | #122 A bit harsh in my opinion. What's he doing buying her all this stuff if she isn't grateful? This is why you give her an allowance for doing chores and have her buy all this ****. That's how my parents raised me.
This man's way also works. Hell getting paid for chores motivated me to do more chores. people should understand that payment = job done.
VitalVI posted... From: Sakurafanboy | #119 He didn't have to get her those programs on her laptop, he didn't even have to buy the damn laptop in the first place But he did, and destroying it was still his fault!, If she had some knowledge she should get on them law suits right away
The father seems like he did a lot for her and only wanted a few chores done in return. Well that was his mistake as well!
you know in the end this just goes back to it being his own fault.
So he should supply her with $500 or maybe even $1000 laptops since he has a good job and not get anything in return? That wouldn't fly with any parent. I guess you'd just let your kids walk all over you, wouldn't you? "you're under 18 so yeah I'll buy you this laptop but you don't have to do a damn thing to deserve it.". The kids will take full advantage of you. This guy at least has a pair of balls. Maybe you should buy some.
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From: Sakurafanboy | #124 So he should supply her with $500 or maybe even $1000 laptops since he has a good job and not get anything in return? That wouldn't fly with any parent. I guess you'd just let your kids walk all over you, wouldn't you? "you're under 18 so yeah I'll buy you this laptop but you don't have to do a damn thing to deserve it.". The kids will take full advantage of you. This guy at least has a pair of balls. Maybe you should buy some.
Err. not once did i mention i would buy stuff for my kids. if they want more than the essentials/Christmas gifts. So if I waste $1000 on a laptop on christmas well It was a gift, I don't expect chores in return idiot.
VitalVI posted... From: Sakurafanboy | #124 So he should supply her with $500 or maybe even $1000 laptops since he has a good job and not get anything in return? That wouldn't fly with any parent. I guess you'd just let your kids walk all over you, wouldn't you? "you're under 18 so yeah I'll buy you this laptop but you don't have to do a damn thing to deserve it.". The kids will take full advantage of you. This guy at least has a pair of balls. Maybe you should buy some. Err. not once did i mention i would buy stuff for my kids. if they want more than the essentials/Christmas gifts. So if I waste $1000 on a laptop on christmas well It was a gift, I don't expect chores in return idiot.
We have no idea if this was a Christmas gift or not. He should very well expect at least a little help around the house.
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I'd sooner believe her interpretation of her chores than his. Speaking as someone who was born in the south I've never met a hick that didn't treat their child as free slave labor. Not trying to stereotype but those are just my experiences over a fairly respectable sample size.
So yeah her whining was probably justified, and even if it wasn't-- well, yeah, over-exaggeration from Cletus there.
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VitalVI posted... From: Sakurafanboy | #126 He should very well expect at least a little help around the house. he can do it himself. just leave her stuff unclean, she'll eventually do it her self. refer to first post blah blah blah etc.
No, she wouldn't. She'd continue to mooch off the father. She's obviously not interested in a job. She'll probably be one of those bums that mooches of the government for food and shelter and not actively looking for a job. So many times I've seen girls have huge crying fits because they have to get a job. I'm sorry that the world isn't handed to you on a silver platter, darling. We all have to work, we all have to earn stuff.
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From: Sakurafanboy | #129 No, she wouldn't. She'd continue to mooch off the father.
so she would just sit there with unclean clothes, and un washed dishes and try to mooch like that?! Then She'd have no friends! and learn "Oh wait, I should change this", and bazam, she does things her self.
Sakurafanboy posted... No, she wouldn't. She'd continue to mooch off the father. She's obviously not interested in a job. She'll probably be one of those bums that mooches of the government for food and shelter and not actively looking for a job. So many times I've seen girls have huge crying fits because they have to get a job. I'm sorry that the world isn't handed to you on a silver platter, darling. We all have to work, we all have to earn stuff.
She already has work; it's called school. She's only 15, she shouldn't be expected to have a job during the school year.
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LordoftheMorons posted... Sakurafanboy posted... No, she wouldn't. She'd continue to mooch off the father. She's obviously not interested in a job. She'll probably be one of those bums that mooches of the government for food and shelter and not actively looking for a job. So many times I've seen girls have huge crying fits because they have to get a job. I'm sorry that the world isn't handed to you on a silver platter, darling. We all have to work, we all have to earn stuff.
She already has work; it's called school. She's only 15, she shouldn't be expected to have a job during the school year.
She could volunteer. I did that at her age. You may not get paid, but it'd show the father she's got a willingness to work and be an active part of the working world. She's not showing that here. She's showing "GIMMEGIMMEGIMME"
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From: UltimaterializerX | #134 And holy s*** this board is filled with pencil-necked whiny f***ing crybabies. The only thing he did wrong was not keep this in-house, because I do agree with the point that privacy is important.
That's kind of a big deal IMO.
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From: VitalVI | #114 My way is still more effective. She can put her own dishes away. not her dads. It's practically like living on your own, but with people in the house. Aka Preparing for the real world when people move out on their own.
In the real world, roommates wash each others' dishes.
Do you realize how crazy inefficient it is for each individual person to put only their dishes in the dishwasher at a time?
It's a give and take, either you trade off on doing the same household tasks, or each of you divide up the tasks that benefit all of you and always do your share. Everyone ONLY cleaning the things THEY touch is really really crazy.
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Chores are stupid if they're overdone. Like, sure, clean your room, pitch in and do the dishes once in a while, do your laundry.
But I know a lot of parents that treat kids as free slave labor. If you want a maid hire a maid don't force your kid to clean your house top to bottom daily because you want benefits out of creating spawn. (And I would bet good money the parent here is the type to overdo them)
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Yeah when you have a dishwasher it's pretty ridiculous to expect everyone to do their own dishes. You turn that thing on and it's running for like two hours. A family of four doing all their dishes would take all ****ing day, and then who does the common dishes, i.e., the cookware used to make everyone's dinner?
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That might work if you don't eat together and there's just two of you, I guess, but the idea that everyone living together in a place has every single piece of dinnerware labeled is just absurd to me.
And then how would you divide up sweeping the floor? Only sweep where you walked?
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Cleaning is basically "do your room" and if the common rooms need to be done it's usually a group activity.
People who sweep daily or even weekly are stupid or really sloppy anyway. A house does not need to be cleaned that often if you're anything resembling neat.
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From: VitalVI | #093 to get into the law aspect of this, The dad is a moron, the daughter doesn't owe anything, the software was a gift, and ruining her laptop is destruction of property. If this was my parent, so many law suits, and then live with a friend.
Ahahaha what world do you live on?
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He made a neat post I like on his facebook wall that I don't think has been posted
My response to the Dallas Fox affiliate on their news headline. You can read the headline by clicking the link below:
I've made it a point of not responding to news or media thus far, but I'm going to reply to a few specific issues mentioned from the news anchors:
First, let me say Thanks for not making me out as a TOTAL villain, though you cut-together enough footage sequences to make it seem that way in segments...
It was an emotional response: Yes ma’am it was an emotional response. I raised my children to never use that kind of language, especially in a public place like that. There were so many vulgarities… I don’t even know where to start. She was mad and I get that, but there are way to talk about things without resorting to that kind of language.
Secondly, and I’ve said this on Facebook as well, but I’m sure it will get lost in the flotsam of comments out there; I shouldn’t have said the word “ass.” I’ll agree that wasn’t a good example of me as a father. I had been reading that post again and again for about an hour, sometimes in tears, other times so mad my hands were shaking and I was trying very hard to be civil in my message. I slipped in that and said a word I shouldn’t have. I deserve a little backlash for that, no doubt.
In response to Dr Fletcher’s comments: Fifteen year olds don’t the social maturity to know what the consequence might be? I learned at about age 3 what good words were.. and what bad word were. I learned what I should say, and what I shouldn’t say. Those lessons were reinforced throughout my life as a pre-teen, teenager, and later into adulthood. I think it’s safe to assume we’ve attempted to instill in her the values that should make it obvious to ANY 15-year old that neither the content, nor its publication to the world at large was acceptable for any child, or even any adult for that matter.
The punishment wasn’t natural or logical? She’s known the rules for Facebook ever since she was allowed to have an account. She’s broken them from time to time, sometimes by accident, sometimes as a way of stretching her boundaries to see just how firm the boundaries were. This was neither. Her post was WAY over the top.
The Dr mentioned she “doesn’t really know what my daughter will learn from this consequence.” I hoped that would be self-explanatory, but I guess you can’t see that without knowing the rest of the story. The last time she did something completely inappropriate, she was grounded from the Internet for three months. The very day she got it back we had a nice long amicable talk about what was and was not acceptable and that I wanted her to have a chance to prove she was responsible enough to utilize the internet unsupervised… by exercising her renewed freedom in a responsible way. The point of this being that proving you can be trusted to be responsible in one venue can lead to increased freedoms in other venues. I ended that conversation with a warning. I told her if no uncertain terms that we had already taken it away from her once. The next time, there wouldn’t be the same chance. If it happened again, “I’ll put a bullet through it.”
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The "This one's from your mom" comment: Before I made the video this week, I called my wife at her office, mostly in tears. The first words out of my mouth were “Please convince me not to put a bullet through Hannah’s laptop.” She knew something was wrong and asked me to be sensible and tell her what happened. Instead I began reading her the Facebook post our daughter made. She let me get to the end of the post, said “I’m sorry honey” and then said “put one in it for me while you’re at it”… so I did.
Contradiction in Terms? No I don’t think so. Yes I told my daughter not to air that kind of material on Facebook because it was hurtful to other people. It embarrassed them. It caused them to feel humiliated, especially our very very good friend, who is NOT a cleaning lady by any stretch of the imagination!
Instead, I simply turned the tables and let her be on the receiving end of something and see how it made her feel. You mentioned not embellishing it, not sensationalizing it. I didn’t. I read exactly what she put out there for the world to see, in her own words. Then I added a few of my own words to it.
And then, yes, I shot it full of holes. Would I have received the same viral attention if I’d used it as a dog toy, hit it with a hammer, drove over it with the truck, or simply thrown it away? I’m not sure. But the point is that her parents told her “If it happens again, I’ll put a bullet through it.” So, rather than let her push that particular boundary any further, I did absolutely no more and no less than I promised I’d do. Do I regret doing it? No. Do I regret keeping it on Facebook long enough to cause this stir? Yes. However at this time I feel that if I took the post or the video down, I'd just make it appear that we're running in shame from it, and we're not.
Truthfully though the social attention has helped her and I both deal with it. We had our discussion about it after she returned home from school. We set the ground rules for her punishment, and then I let her read some of the comments on Facebook with me at my computer. At first it was upsetting. Then as we read it became less so, eventually funny to both of us. At the end, she was amazed that other people had such amazingly strong reactions. Some said she’d grow up to be a stripper. Others that she’d get pregnant and become drug addicted because of the emotional damage. She actually asked me to go on Facebook and ask if there was anything else the victim of a laptop-homicide could do besides stripping because all the posts seem to mention that particular job and she wasn’t so keen on that one.
So in the end, she’s fine. My Facebook wall will never be the same again, and we’ll be OK as a family and she’ll grow up happy, healthy, and have everything she needs, but not everything she wants. And I absolutely guarantee she’ll never doubt my resolve to follow-through on a consequence again.
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Heh, I like how on his facebook page he was like 'well, you guys are all flooding through my facebook page anyways, how about you all donate to this muscular dystrophy charity?"
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