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WolfActual 02/09/12 2:54:00 PM #1: |
The major complaint I read about FF XIII, and the only thing its detractors seem to consistently agree on, it that it is too linear. Well, FF X was extremely linear as well. What's the difference? Now I understand that some people may simply have thought the story in FF X was much better....but that shouldn't account for such a great difference in the rating of the two games unless the story in FF XIII was abysmal. But if that were the case I would expect to hear many more complaints about the story in XIII, but really all I ever hear about it is "LINEAR LINEAR LINEAR!!!"
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SomeKindOfJoke 02/09/12 2:55:00 PM #2: |
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Leebo86 02/09/12 2:55:00 PM #3: |
do we have to have this conversation for the 1000th time
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 2:55:00 PM #4: |
FFX is a better game.
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TheRock1525 02/09/12 2:55:00 PM #5: |
Now I understand that some people may simply have thought the story in FF X was much better....but that shouldn't account for such a great difference in the rating of the two games unless the story in FF XIII was abysmal.
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GuessMyUserName 02/09/12 2:56:00 PM #6: |
From: WolfActual | #001 have you been living under a rock for the last two years -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Inviso 02/09/12 2:56:00 PM #7: |
The main character of FF13 was too manly for FF10's fans to handle.
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CrimsonOcean 02/09/12 2:56:00 PM #8: |
FFXIII is amazing. So. I dunno.
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MZero11 02/09/12 2:57:00 PM #9: |
Battle System
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paperwarior 02/09/12 2:57:00 PM #10: |
I dunno. Apparently the late game stuff was somewhat weak as well, like sidequests given by floating orbs or something. I think that there are different types of FF. There are ones that focus on story, ones that don't so much; ones where every playable character is unique and ones where you can do whatever you want with them; and linear/open world ones.
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KanzarisKelshen 02/09/12 3:02:00 PM #11: |
From: paperwarior | #010 Also, good and bad ones. XIII and XIII-2 are connected, and yet one is somehow good and the other one isn't, in the same way Sonic Unleashed's day levels are bad and Sonic Colours is pretty ballin'. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 3:03:00 PM #12: |
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paperwarior 02/09/12 3:03:00 PM #13: |
There are some most people can agree on being good or bad, but not many.
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DeathChicken 02/09/12 3:04:00 PM #14: |
I was playing Xenogears recently, and realized that it's *far* more linear than FF XIII. That game gives you no choice of where to go but a straight line of plot point > cutscene > terrible dungeon > plot point > cutscene
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WolfActual 02/09/12 3:05:00 PM #15: |
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Also, good and bad ones. XIII and XIII-2 are connected, and yet one is somehow good and the other one isn't, Wait...I thought both of these were considered bad? Which is supposed to be the good one? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kotetsu534 02/09/12 3:12:00 PM #16: |
- writing quality/story/characters (Toriyama/Watanabe vs. Nojima, not a contest)
- world building (Spira, with its locations, people, Yevon, sense of geography, protagonists' goals tied coherently to the world vs. Cocoon/Pulse, with impressive locations, but limited coherency) - character advancement & weapon systems (Sphere Grid vs. Crystarium, clear ability choices vs. complex/arcane upgrade system) - pacing (FFXIII is extremely battle focused with the odd scene, while FFX switches between battles, scenes and towns, like most JRPGs) - sidequests (almost nothing in FFXIII other than fighting, while FFX has Blitzball, mini-games, secret Aeons/weapons, towns etc.) -- Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanzarisKelshen 02/09/12 3:18:00 PM #17: |
From: WolfActual | #015 XIII-2. In the last 24 hours, I have heard three different people praise it as a return to form. This is purely anecdotical, but these people hated XIII and XII, if you're curious. From: LeonhartFour | #012 Made a mistake there. I meant nighttime. Unleashed's day levels are amazing! -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ayvuir 02/09/12 3:21:00 PM #18: |
Blitzball
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Lieutenant Kettch 02/09/12 3:29:00 PM #19: |
They were both pretty average games.
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Anagram 02/09/12 3:32:00 PM #20: |
Is FFXIII-2 good?
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 3:32:00 PM #21: |
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RevolverSaro 02/09/12 3:41:00 PM #22: |
So far FF13-2 IS better I guess. At least gameplay-wise. There are some problems I have with it though.
There is some dumbass **** though. Serah is a boring protagonist so far. Noel is alright though. Story has some neat concepts but so far is failing to really execute on them. But all my complaints about 13 were fixed. Maps are better, fighting system was improved by not game-overing when your leader dies. Monster stuff is kind of boring though and wish they would have made it a more traditional party member -- "Don't freeze up girl, you're looking quite a sight." - Adam Ant. "Baby, can you dig your man? He's a righteous man." - Larry Underwood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RevolverSaro 02/09/12 3:43:00 PM #23: |
Also, outside the main cast, the voice acting is pretty bad.
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swordz9 02/09/12 3:49:00 PM #24: |
Is the monsters as party members forced like in Symphonia 2 where you pretty much have to use them to have a full party?
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RevolverSaro 02/09/12 3:51:00 PM #25: |
Did you play 13?
Basically you have two party members, Noel and Serah. They have full sets of paradigms. But then your third party member is used by monsters, who have one paradigm each. When you switch paradigms, you switch monsters depending on your paradigm set up. -- "Don't freeze up girl, you're looking quite a sight." - Adam Ant. "Baby, can you dig your man? He's a righteous man." - Larry Underwood ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 02/09/12 3:52:00 PM #26: |
IIRC, Lightning is available as a DLC "monster" you can acquire and then include as your 3rd member.
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 3:53:00 PM #27: |
For 3 bucks, no less!
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swordz9 02/09/12 3:53:00 PM #28: |
I see. I thought I remembered seeing a 3rd character for XIII-2 that I assumed would take up a party member slot. I always hated the monster party member concept and thought it was optional.
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GuessMyUserName 02/09/12 3:53:00 PM #29: |
From: swordz9 | #024 hmm? Symphonia 2 you also have ToS1 characters to fill your party -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/09/12 3:54:00 PM #30: |
I do wish monsters gained CP like Serah / Noel. That's my only real complaint with them. It can be obnoxious finding enough of those droplets/orbs/chips to level them up consistently. Otherwise, I like them as a third party member. Definitely enjoying XIII-2 much more than XIII.
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swordz9 02/09/12 3:55:00 PM #31: |
GuessMyUserName posted...
hmm? Symphonia 2 you also have ToS1 characters to fill your party True, but their levels and equipment don't change so they are more like pseudo party members to me. -- http://myanimelist.net/animelist/swordz9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZFS 02/09/12 3:56:00 PM #32: |
Lightning's pretty tough, too. It's not a gimme fight, which is kinda cool.
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GuessMyUserName 02/09/12 3:57:00 PM #33: |
true yeah, but they're still playable characters
or actually, I think they're only playable in multiplayer? I forget -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 02/09/12 4:00:00 PM #34: |
So is it possible to just use Serah and Noel without any monsters?
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GuessMyUserName 02/09/12 4:02:00 PM #35: |
only played the demo, but it seems so
just don't set any monsters ... don't see why you'd do that though, since then you'd just have 2 party members... -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 02/09/12 4:03:00 PM #36: |
It's possible, but you'd need to be overleveled.
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swordz9 02/09/12 4:08:00 PM #37: |
I know it'd limit me to two party members. I suppose that would work then if I end up not liking having a monster on the team for whatever reason.
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HeroDelTiempo17 02/09/12 4:11:00 PM #38: |
From: GuessMyUserName | #033 No, Player 1 could play as them too, but they didn't have as much effort put into them as Emil. Which...is saying something, given how clunky he is, but I guess that's just the battle system in general. I didn't have much of a problem with it in ToS2 though, since you'll usually have at least one extra human party member or if you don't, the level isn't that challenging. With the ONE EXCEPTION being the hardest ****ing fight in the game against two human bosses in the final dungeon when you only have monsters. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 02/09/12 4:13:00 PM #39: |
Some of the monsters are pretty cool. I wasn't interested in monsters when I started, but then once I captured a few cool ones it grew on me.
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 4:13:00 PM #40: |
You can also decorate your monsters with cool accessories.
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TheRock1525 02/09/12 4:15:00 PM #41: |
LeonhartFour posted...
You can also decorate your monsters with cool accessories. -- TheRock ~ Slow dramatic zoom-pan. Doesn't phase the hooded man. "You have issues." - MWC. Pot. Kettle. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 4:16:00 PM #42: |
See, Penny Arcade gets it.
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GuessMyUserName 02/09/12 4:17:00 PM #43: |
From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #038 Emil clunky whaaaa? Emil plays sooooo good, probably my favourite playable character Tales history. Marta too, really loved playing as her, just not as much as Emil. ToS1 characters were insanely clunky though, it was really weird. I think Regal played fine, but the rest of the cast holy crap I was just so weirded out by how bad it felt. -- SegMlCassieIsAmazingjhsux~>[64T2jampXDpikaness is awesome!8forgaMike RSmurf is too! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 02/09/12 4:17:00 PM #44: |
Haha. So can you even have stuff like cactuars or behemoths as your monster allies?
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LeonhartFour 02/09/12 4:17:00 PM #45: |
From: swordz9 | #044 Yep. -- "I can set you free, mate." "My freedom was forfeit long ago!" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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swordz9 02/09/12 4:18:00 PM #46: |
That is pretty cool then. I need to pick the game up. I guess when I do I'll find out why the other new XIII-2 human characters aren't party members too.
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TheRock1525 02/09/12 4:20:00 PM #47: |
You know, my only question is that cause there's only two main characters, how does that impact character interactions? Is a lot of the game just Noel and Serah talking to each other?
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KanzarisKelshen 02/09/12 4:22:00 PM #48: |
From: TheRock1525 | #047 It's a bit like japanese Mass Effect. No, seriously. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 02/09/12 4:24:00 PM #49: |
They talk to plenty of NPCs that just, you know, don't join your party.
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swordz9 02/09/12 4:27:00 PM #50: |
I don't know why they only decided to go with 2 party members. I mean monsters might be cool, but then I just think "This could be a character instead that provides interaction and other stuff." whenever an RPG gives you few talking PCs.
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