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DeepsPraw 01/15/12 9:33:00 PM #51: |
FFDragon posted...
Actually it's probably one of the most calming things imaginable I agree. No worries, no pain, no suffering. Nothingness seems as good as heaven to me. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuessMyUserName 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #52: |
I don't steal because it makes victims. If I steal something, someone else loses. I don't want things stolen from me, so I believe nobody should steal from each other.
If I could do whatever I wanted, so could everyone else. I'd easily give up stealing killing and raping to live in a world where nobody steals, kills, or rapes. -- http://img.imgcake.com/GuessMyUserName/tsukemagifda.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GwynethPaltrow 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #53: |
From: Ayuyu | #044 WHAT? Is this what you experienced before you were born, Ayuyu? What he meant was that it's nothingness because you won't have consciousness, not because you have consciousness with your senses stripped... -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5618/gwynethpaltrow.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ace_Killjoy 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #54: |
Liquid Wind posted...
Liquid Wind posted... people that do believe in god aren't particularly moral. when you really look at it christianity and islam both built their empires on murder and intimidation. reposting because I seriously want to know how religious people get off acting as a moral authority with all of the atrocities they are responsible for. how do you force people into your faith by killing anyone caught worshiping their old gods and then try to act like you're an institution of peace? I'll try and answer as best I can. And I can't speak for Islam, so I won't. Christianity didn't build its "empire" on murder and intimidation. If you're referring to things like the Crusades and such, that was done by Christians who were sinning by taking what is taught in the Bible WAY out of context. If you are referring to the fact that some Christians nowadays try to intimidate and force their faith on others, that is also wrong and not supported by the teachings in the Bible. Christians tend to think of themselves as "good moral standards," but that's not always the case. You should be able to tell who is a good moral standard and who isn't well enough on your own. Not all of us are moral, but not all of us are totally immoral, either. So generalizing that isn't really fair. But you're absolutely right. Believing in God doesn't make you moral. It's how you conduct your life that determines that. -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force. http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/120003/phoenixtrio.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #55: |
Ayuyu posted...
Yeah right, something that could drive you crazy in a matter of days is really calming, right. Just **** up someone's brain so he can't see, hear, smell, feel or taste anything. He'll go crazy pretty damn fast. That's what pure nothingness is, it'd be as if all your senses were gone. Uh pure nothingness means you are also nothing. No senses, just... nothing. Serine. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #56: |
People who welcome nothingness seem not to place much stock in life itself.
I don't know whether to envy or pity you. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AfroSquirrel 01/15/12 9:34:00 PM #57: |
From: masterplum | #001 - My purpose is to reach as far as I can in understanding everything, and then to pass my achievements on to those who would follow me. - Yes. I would much rather be immortal than mortal. Hopefully robotic bodies will be publicly available soon. -- This isn't 1950. Girls develop way later than they used to because human lifespans have increased - Lavos_Fanboy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 01/15/12 9:36:00 PM #58: |
Biolizard28 posted...
People who welcome nothingness seem not to place much stock in life itself. I don't know whether to envy or pity you. How so? For me life is all I have. It's arguably more important for me than to those looking towards an afterlife. -- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? [HERO'S PLUNGE] http://img.imgcake.com/finegifdy.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/15/12 9:36:00 PM #59: |
yeah, nothingness would be 'leave your mind blank, don't think of anything.
that's you.' but it's good to know you spend time thinking of how life would be if your senses were removed. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kenri 01/15/12 9:37:00 PM #60: |
Like if everyone ended up the same no matter what then there is no harm from harming someone else. Murdering people would get people to the exact same state except faster for instance. Why resist theft if in a hundred years it means nothing?
Because it means something right now? And also because I don't want to. It's not something that appeals to me because I don't like hurting people. It's really pretty simple. I don't slam my hands in car doors either, because even if it won't cause any lasting harm, it still hurts now and isn't something I like. -- "The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeepsPraw 01/15/12 9:37:00 PM #61: |
Biolizard28 posted...
People who welcome nothingness seem not to place much stock in life itself. I don't necessarily welcome it, I'm just not scared s***less of it like some other people are. -- Jerry Sandusky is a football God! Jerry Sandusky is a football LEGEND! http://youtu.be/B3fRhOfkc_w ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ayuyu 01/15/12 9:38:00 PM #62: |
From: Wanglicious | #059 I think about a lot of things, I'm excessively curious soo.. -- http://i40.tinypic.com/mc3igi.gif (Never gonna post the rest) http://img.imgcake.com/happybouncytimegifej.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3DSRage 01/15/12 9:38:00 PM #63: |
I am going to just say random things itt.
Consciousness comes from the brain. Your brain is always active and when it gets turned off for good, so do you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterplum 01/15/12 9:40:00 PM #64: |
KingBartz posted...
masterplum please just stop For what reason? Do you think I am trolling because that certainly isn't the case. I am curious as to how other people view the world. I don't like being close minded about things of importance such as this. And you are correct in your statements that things such as theft do matter for a period of time I don't argue against that, but I suppose that when I am thinking of the life of the universe and planets other then ours It seems very insignificant as far as a universal perspective is concerned. -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xiahou Shake 01/15/12 9:40:00 PM #65: |
From: DeepsPraw | #061 Indeed, I don't welcome death but there's not much reason to fear it. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. I'd certainly prefer to live a long life, but when you're number's up, that's all there is to it. Ideally I'd like to become a cyborg and live for a thousand years or so, ho ho. -- Falcon Punch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 01/15/12 9:40:00 PM #66: |
Christianity didn't build its "empire" on murder and intimidation. If you're referring to things like the Crusades and such
it goes back further than that, I don't see why you would try to speak for christianity here when you don't actually understand it's blood stained history. not saying all christians are immoral either, but the topic implies that religion is what makes people moral and that is just hilarious when you see all of the evil things religious people have done. accepting jesus doesn't mean you won't kill a rival, burn people on suspicion of witchcraft, or molest children, bad people are going to do those things regardless of their faith and good people aren't regardless of their faith, the pretense is sickening. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GwynethPaltrow 01/15/12 9:41:00 PM #67: |
From: masterplum | #064 This is true if you're on the outside looking in. But we're not. -- http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5618/gwynethpaltrow.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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3DSRage 01/15/12 9:42:00 PM #68: |
I am curious as to how other people view the world.
Without the rose-tinted goggles that makes the afterlife seem like something magical. Religion was created to scared the human race into behaving. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biolizard28 01/15/12 9:42:00 PM #69: |
From: FFDragon | #058 Few look forward to an afterlife. Most simply take comfort in the fact that there is something there. That life does not suddenly cease to exist. That your consciousness is erased. That in the end all that's left is a blankness you aren't even aware of. I don't think it's abnormal to be afraid of that. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JeffreyRaze 01/15/12 9:42:00 PM #70: |
I don't welcome death, I don't fear it. Immortality on the other hand, that scares me.
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masterplum 01/15/12 9:43:00 PM #71: |
Liquid Wind posted...
Christianity didn't build its "empire" on murder and intimidation. If you're referring to things like the Crusades and such it goes back further than that, I don't see why you would try to speak for christianity here when you don't actually understand it's blood stained history. not saying all christians are immoral either, but the topic implies that religion is what makes people moral and that is just hilarious when you see all of the evil things religious people have done. accepting jesus doesn't mean you won't kill a rival, burn people on suspicion of witchcraft, or molest children, bad people are going to do those things regardless of their faith and good people aren't regardless of their faith, the pretense is sickening. In what way does this topic imply religion makes you moral? You know as well as anyone apparently that is not the case. My question is a philosophical why? -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KingBartz 01/15/12 9:44:00 PM #72: |
From: masterplum | #064 I know you better than to accuse you of trolling here. I'm just saying you sound both ignorant and self-righteous. -- SuperNiceDog? More like GuruNiceDog. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Liquid Wind 01/15/12 9:44:00 PM #73: |
I don't understand why you would even bother doing anything productive or moral at all.
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Kenri 01/15/12 9:44:00 PM #74: |
And you are correct in your statements that things such as theft do matter for a period of time I don't argue against that, but I suppose that when I am thinking of the life of the universe and planets other then ours It seems very insignificant as far as a universal perspective is concerned.
Yes, but a universal perspective is not the only perspective. It's not necessarily the most important one, either, unless you're looking at it through a universal perspective. ...which would be meta as **** -- "The courtroom is the garden of holy judgment. Those with lechery in their hearts should leave this sanctuary at once!" ~Franziska von Karma ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FFDragon 01/15/12 9:45:00 PM #75: |
I never said it was abnormal to fear death, I just don't think it's abnormal to accept the inevitable either.
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foolm0ron 01/15/12 9:45:00 PM #76: |
From: masterplum | #064 Why? Just because planets live for billions of years and humans only live for 100 years, that makes human lives insignificant? 100 years for a planet is insignificant, sure, but 100 years for a human is extremely significant, since that's all the time he has to influence his existence. It's all relative, which actually explains why you don't understand. Christians don't understand relativism, and explicitly reject it. -- _foolmo_ 'Most people at least try to say something funny. See foolmo's post as an example.' - The Real Truth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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foolm0ron 01/15/12 9:45:00 PM #77: |
From: KingBartz | #072 He doesn't, you're getting hostile for no reason -- _foolmo_ 'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JeffreyRaze 01/15/12 9:46:00 PM #78: |
From: Liquid Wind | #073 More like he doesn't understand why people would have purpose or ethics, and thus he's asking us civilly for our thoughts on the matter. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ace_Killjoy 01/15/12 9:49:00 PM #79: |
Liquid Wind posted...
it goes back further than that, I don't see why you would try to speak for christianity here when you don't actually understand it's blood stained history. I mentioned the Crusades because that is one of the most common examples. You'll need to lighten up a bit if you want discuss this stuff. I'll assume, then, that you meant the bloodier incidents in the Old Testament, as that is about as far back as I can go in this context. Liquid Wind posted... not saying all christians are immoral either, but the topic implies that religion is what makes people moral and that is just hilarious when you see all of the evil things religious people have done. accepting jesus doesn't mean you won't kill a rival, burn people on suspicion of witchcraft, or molest children, bad people are going to do those things regardless of their faith and good people aren't regardless of their faith, the pretense is sickening. The TC was more curious about the different ways people thought and wanted to better understand them, which is actually kind of commendable. Again, no. People who repent aren't going to magically stop sinning and it doesn't guarantee they won't do something horrible. But that isn't the fault of Christianity. It's the fault of those members of Christianity who sin. There's a big difference. True Christianity is actually rather respectable, but you don't always see people practicing it. In fact, you mostly hear about the screw ups. -- Proud member of the Global Defence Force. http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/120003/phoenixtrio.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Wanglicious 01/15/12 9:56:00 PM #80: |
well that's an easy one - people have purpose because their day to day lives is what gives them purpose. you want that car, you want to impress that girl, you want to the point of needing, and your purpose will be towards that.
likewise you'll run into a bunch of different viewpoints, opinions, and eventually will form right and wrong that makes sense and is hopefully consistent. aka, the same thing everybody does. you live, you experience, find your likes, dislikes, and go with it. if religion's a part of it - regardless of it being a twisted more evil side of things to suit you or something to better yourself with - then it is. if it's not then it's not. doesn't really change anything there because if your code isn't able to accept certain religious principles, it (and you) simply won't. the only difference is that there's a boogeyman telling you that you can't do that as opposed to you deciding that you shouldn't do that. that's not the lesson to take away with religious myths, the lesson is why something is wrong. which only requires some sense. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 01/15/12 10:04:00 PM #81: |
People who want a religion with no history of war haven't really thought it through IMO. Christianity (and many other religions) claim to be ultimate truth. How could something as important as ultimate truth not produce loads of wars through 2000 years of history? People, nations, go to war frequently, and if something hasn't been fought over, it's probably because it's simply not important. And if a religion that claims itself to be ultimate truth were not important, then it couldn't be true.
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Haguile 01/15/12 10:07:00 PM #82: |
From: masterplum | Posted: 1/16/2012 12:26:49 AM | #036 I'll answer this by first answering another question of yours. From: masterplum | Posted: 1/16/2012 12:09:42 AM | #001 My purpose for feeling is a bunch of things that I personally love. People have different reasons for living. Goals, dreams, that kind of thing. I have my goals and I live to complete them. The concept of death doesn't particularly bother me, so long as I get to accomplish what I want before that happens. But that's why living is fun. So you ask what the harm is in murdering people randomly, and I answer you this. By killing people before their time to go arrives, you are not allowing them to do what they really wanted to do. You aren't just "returning them to nothing" you are taking away their purpose. And I'm not saying that you can simply kill someone who has done all he could do, because you see, to people who don't believe in God there is purpose in everything we do. Just being there with friends, talking, laughing, having fun is something that's worth not for the sake of something else, but for itself. It can't last forever, but just living is...enjoyable. I find meaning in that. We are not resisting theft for nothing. Let me put it this way. You say that it's the same as always being dead since the ending is always the same, but that's not the point. It's like being given the choice of having your big TV screen stolen now or after the Superbowl. The end result is the same but goddamn it having the TV for that game was nice. That TV is your life, and the game is your time on earth. Alternatively if you are feeling particularly nerdy think of death as Link and life as the rest of the contest. It's the journey, not the destination. That's what people who don't believe in God live for. For...Today. That's it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordoftheMorons 01/15/12 10:09:00 PM #83: |
masterplum posted...
Ed Bellis posted... You do not need religion to have ethics. I am aware of this, but the reasoning of why this is the case still puzzles me. I never understood why someone would think you need religion to be moral. I mean, is the only thing stopping you from losing all morality the threat of an angry god? -- http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2636/ivotedphoenixyi0.png No I'm not a damn furry. Looney Tunes are different. - Guiga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ViviffTheMobile 01/15/12 10:13:00 PM #84: |
I've always been a fan of Social Contract Theory.
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foolm0ron 01/15/12 10:13:00 PM #85: |
Okay I think I found a better avenue for this. Trying to use non-faith-based logic doesn't really work when you're trying to explain it against a faith-based mindset.
Just think about this real-life biological phenomenon. When you are close to dying, or you see someone you love close to dying, what do you do? You don't just sit there and go "welp it's my/their time now" and take it. No, your body involuntarily gets hyper-charged with ridiculous amounts of adrenaline and mental will-power to try to keep you alive as well as possible. This is a purely biological response that happens to EVERY human. If you needed some sort of religion to care about your life, then why are you biologically pre-disposed to caring about life? It makes no sense. -- _foolmo_ 'Oh please, if foolmo made that analogy you'd think it was picture perfect' - Biolizard28 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hrezs 01/15/12 10:23:00 PM #86: |
I do things for mine and others enjoyment. A mix of existentialism and satanism if you will.
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Liquid Wind 01/15/12 10:23:00 PM #87: |
People who want a religion with no history of war haven't really thought it through IMO
who said I wanted a religion? the history of violence is the evidence that the boogeyman is ineffective and unnecessary. you can tell people "you will be tortured for all eternity if you do this" and they'll still do it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 01/16/12 5:42:00 AM #88: |
There is no point, and there are no morals.
I am compelled to live because I am living. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 01/16/12 5:45:00 AM #89: |
From: masterplum | #001 That's kind of sad, isn't it? That you would enjoy life and people so little that having no god would make you just give up and be a slug. -- Connecticut Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 01/16/12 5:46:00 AM #90: |
Objection!
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Aecioo 01/16/12 5:51:00 AM #91: |
masterplum posted...
I don't understand why you would even bother doing anything productive or moral at all this depresses me greatly. Do you really do everything you do because you think it will be beneficial to you in your next life, whatever that may be? =/ -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Djungelurban 01/16/12 5:57:00 AM #92: |
I don't understand why you would even bother doing anything productive or moral at all.
Cause I wanna be a nice person? It kinda make me happy? Or productive, not sure I am that, but I'm very certain that religious belief would not change that. -- Nominate B.B. Hood for CB IX http://miniurl.org/ntI ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leebo86 01/16/12 5:57:00 AM #93: |
Also, being dead won't be bad. All those billions of years when I didn't exist before I was born weren't bad either.
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Furious Fura 01/16/12 6:03:00 AM #94: |
i used to be very christian, my parents are very christian (protestant), I lived in Mongolia for 6 years while my parents were missionaries there, so i got a very christian upbringing.
But the older and older I get, the less I believe. I've become very nihilistic. I don't believe there's any point to life at all. We're all just a very tiny dot in the history of time. We will be born, and then in a blink of an eye we will die. Everything we do in between is meaningless because we're so insignificant. In fact we could all just die right now, it would be the most sensible thing, since we're all gonna die anyways, and dying now would mean avoiding a lot of hardships. Only reason I keep on living is because I enjoy certain aspect of life, like hanging out with friends, getting drunk, watching fun movies or tv shows, eating good food, playing a fun video game, etc. Whenever the boring/bad parts of life outweigh the fun/good parts, I will probably kill myself. -- /ssbsb/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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kurtfisto 01/16/12 6:05:00 AM #95: |
As much as I understand that I really won't care about death once I'm dead, it still doesn't stop my fear of it. Kind of instinctual for my survival, I suppose.
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Furious Fura 01/16/12 6:06:00 AM #96: |
and i believe there is no afterlife. When we die will be nothing. So there is no point in being afraid of death, the only thing you would be afraid of is the moment of death, because it hurts for a very short period of time, but after that who cares since you're nothing.
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Leebo86 01/16/12 6:09:00 AM #97: |
I think most people worry about their life being cut short. That's perfectly sensible.
But for me, it's because I like living, not because I'm worried about what being dead will be like. -- Connecticut Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SlymDayspring 01/16/12 6:23:00 AM #98: |
I do things because I feel like it, I don't care at all about purpose or making a mark on the world or whatever, because none of that will matter to me when I am dead. I am a good person because my brain is designed to make me derive joy from it, while abhorring being a bad person. While I'm alive I will try to have as much joy as possible, and then I will die. Meaning is what you make it. To me, every moment of beauty in my life has meaning. It does not have to be important on a universal scale, because I do not perceive life that way.
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pjbasis 01/16/12 6:26:00 AM #99: |
I am curious to how you non-believers define good and bad.
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Aecioo 01/16/12 6:36:00 AM #100: |
pjbasis posted...
I am curious to how you non-believers define good and bad. Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't have to follow the basic morale code that may have been derived from God/religion. -- http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcb35gGx0t1qailr4o1_500.gif http://www.megavideo.com/?v=57N0YAEJ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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