Board 8 > Question for those that don't believe in God

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Takfloyd_mkII__ 01/16/12 6:38:00 AM #101:	And this is why religion is the filth of humanity. These people are seriously so selfish that they are only good to each other as a sort of delusional grown-up Santa Claus Sees You belief. People like you make me sick. -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. <cite>Takfloyd_mkII__ posted [p:672335] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> And this is why religion is the filth of humanity.These people are seriously so selfish that they are only good to each other as a sort of delusional grown-up Santa Claus Sees You belief. People like you make me sick. -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vishje3000 01/16/12 6:39:00 AM #102:	I'm 100% atheistic. I don't think there is a big "reason" for our existence, just coincidence... But I don't need a bigger reason. I just try to have a good time for as long as I'm on this earth... And while I'm at it, I'll try to give the people close to me a good time too :-). For me the definition of "good" is something that increases happyness in the world. And for me personally I also add some weights, for me it's more important for people close to me to be happy then for complete strangers... <cite>Vishje3000 posted [p:672336] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I'm 100% atheistic. I don't think there is a big "reason" for our existence, just coincidence... But I don't need a bigger reason. I just try to have a good time for as long as I'm on this earth... And while I'm at it, I'll try to give the people close to me a good time too :-). For me the definition of "good" is something that increases happyness in the world. And for me personally I also add some weights, for me it's more important for people close to me to be happy then for complete strangers... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/16/12 6:42:00 AM #103:	Not believing in God isn't a choice for me, really. I couldn't believe in Him if I tried. -- Full rap metal jacket ~ Method Man <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:672337] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Not believing in God isn't a choice for me, really. I couldn't believe in Him if I tried. -- Full rap metal jacket ~ Method Man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whatisurnameplz 01/16/12 6:45:00 AM #104:	I'm Christian but I try to do good things because I don't like seeing people suffer. -- SuperNiceDog has won. <cite>whatisurnameplz posted [p:672338] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I'm Christian but I try to do good things because I don't like seeing people suffer. -- SuperNiceDog has won. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 6:51:00 AM #105:	*Aecioo posted...* Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't have to follow the basic morale code that may have been derived from God/religion. Wasn't really what I was asking! -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672339] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Aecioo posted...Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't have to follow the basic morale code that may have been derived from God/religion.Wasn't really what I was asking! -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senjougaharaism 01/16/12 6:53:00 AM #106:	I live to be the best there ever was it's not going that great but oh well -- DON~! <cite>Senjougaharaism posted [p:672340] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I live to be the best there ever wasit's not going that great but oh well -- DON~! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 6:58:00 AM #107:	From: pjbasis \| #105 *Aecioo posted...* Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't have to follow the basic morale code that may have been derived from God/religion. Wasn't really what I was asking! You want sentence-long dictionary definitions or something? Maybe a religious person could help you with that. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672341] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #105Aecioo posted...Just because you don't believe in God doesn't mean you don't have to follow the basic morale code that may have been derived from God/religion.Wasn't really what I was asking!You want sentence-long dictionary definitions or something? Maybe a religious person could help you with that. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Takfloyd_mkII__ 01/16/12 7:00:00 AM #108:	I live to be the best there ever was it's not going that great but oh well I live to travel across the land searching far and wide haven't found anything yet but oh well -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. <cite>Takfloyd_mkII__ posted [p:672342] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I live to be the best there ever wasit's not going that great but oh wellI live to travel across the land searching far and widehaven't found anything yet but oh well -- Signature change in progress... Please wait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:01:00 AM #109:	I'm wondering how highly you think of your moral code. If God is out of the question, and there's no scientific basis, where then does it come from? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672343] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I'm wondering how highly you think of your moral code.If God is out of the question, and there's no scientific basis, where then does it come from? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:02:00 AM #110:	From: pjbasis \| #109 and there's no scientific basis Is that something I have to agree with in order to have this discussion with you? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672344] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #109and there's no scientific basisIs that something I have to agree with in order to have this discussion with you? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:05:00 AM #111:	No of course not! Let's start there then. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672345] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> No of course not!Let's start there then. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:06:00 AM #112:	It's kind of silly to think that our behavior isn't something based in evolution and wouldn't be a starting point of what we call morality. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672346] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> It's kind of silly to think that our behavior isn't something based in evolution and wouldn't be a starting point of what we call morality. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:10:00 AM #113:	Kind of a vague statement. Evolution is the passing on of genes with variation and acts only on survival probability. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672347] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Kind of a vague statement.Evolution is the passing on of genes with variation and acts only on survival probability. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:11:00 AM #114:	Genes make our brains. Our brains are what determine our behavior. Where's the disconnect? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672348] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Genes make our brains. Our brains are what determine our behavior. Where's the disconnect? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:14:00 AM #115:	You'll have to do more to link behavior with moral behavior. How does evolution create right and wrong behaviors? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672349] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> You'll have to do more to link behavior with moral behavior.How does evolution create right and wrong behaviors? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:17:00 AM #116:	It's the basis for the fact that we feel innate attachment to other humans. If we were evolved from, say, some kind of solitary animal, we wouldn't feel any reason to be nice to others of our own species. Evolution doesn't spell out the fine details, but I can't agree that there's no basis. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672350] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> It's the basis for the fact that we feel innate attachment to other humans. If we were evolved from, say, some kind of solitary animal, we wouldn't feel any reason to be nice to others of our own species.Evolution doesn't spell out the fine details, but I can't agree that there's no basis. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/16/12 7:21:00 AM #117:	Not to mention that working as a group and helping one another makes us more likely to survive. A sense of ethics is a great tool for any species to have for the most part. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:672351] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Not to mention that working as a group and helping one another makes us more likely to survive. A sense of ethics is a great tool for any species to have for the most part. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:21:00 AM #118:	Alright, but the meat of the question is why do you classify some actions as right or wrong? Evolution is responsible for everything. So when you have X, Y, and Z attributes, why do you say only Z is a moral behavior? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672352] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Alright, but the meat of the question is why do you classify some actions as right or wrong?Evolution is responsible for everything.So when you have X, Y, and Z attributes, why do you say only Z is a moral behavior? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:22:00 AM #119:	For example, "I should work with others" and "I should eat" aren't generally treated the same. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672353] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> For example, "I should work with others" and "I should eat" aren't generally treated the same. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:23:00 AM #120:	Isn't it going to be different for everyone, the way they come to deciding that something is the right thing to do? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672354] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Isn't it going to be different for everyone, the way they come to deciding that something is the right thing to do? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:25:00 AM #121:	Well, first you said it was something with scientific basis. Science is true for everyone. Am I missing something? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672355] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Well, first you said it was something with scientific basis.Science is true for everyone.Am I missing something? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:27:00 AM #122:	I said I wouldn't agree that science plays no part in it. Also, just because science is true for everyone doesn't mean biology will make every single person act the same way. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672356] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I said I wouldn't agree that science plays no part in it.Also, just because science is true for everyone doesn't mean biology will make every single person act the same way. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 01/16/12 7:31:00 AM #123:	Alright, but the meat of the question is why do you classify some actions as right or wrong? right and wrong are human concepts and generally apply to human society for example, everyone eats to survive. not killing your neighbor, however, is the 'right' thing to do because it disrupts human society and has a negative impact on survival to do so, provided he was a good man. if he was posing at threat to everyone else, perhaps killing him was actually beneficial. many other 'right' and 'wrongs' are pure cultural creations and are influenced by things such as religion, fear, tradition, etc. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:672357] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Alright, but the meat of the question is why do you classify some actions as right or wrong?right and wrong are human concepts and generally apply to human societyfor example, everyone eats to survive. not killing your neighbor, however, is the 'right' thing to do because it disrupts human society and has a negative impact on survival to do so, provided he was a good man. if he was posing at threat to everyone else, perhaps killing him was actually beneficial. many other 'right' and 'wrongs' are pure cultural creations and are influenced by things such as religion, fear, tradition, etc. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:31:00 AM #124:	So let me ask you then, is murder wrong in itself? Or is it just wrong to the person that decides it is wrong, and therefore be right or neither to someone else? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672358] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> So let me ask you then, is murder wrong in itself?Or is it just wrong to the person that decides it is wrong, and therefore be right or neither to someone else? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:34:00 AM #125:	There's no universal governance determining what organisms should or shouldn't do on this little speck in the middle of nowhere. It's up to us. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672359] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> There's no universal governance determining what organisms should or shouldn't do on this little speck in the middle of nowhere.It's up to us. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:34:00 AM #126:	@Cyclo: What about that neighbor? If he was posing a threat, why does that make him bad and the others good and not the other way around? At the very least, in his perspective, defending himself at the cost of society could be good for him, right? Or do you deny the idea of personal ethics completely? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672360] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> @Cyclo: What about that neighbor? If he was posing a threat, why does that make him bad and the others good and not the other way around? At the very least, in his perspective, defending himself at the cost of society could be good for him, right? Or do you deny the idea of personal ethics completely? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JeffreyRaze 01/16/12 7:40:00 AM #127:	Well, I don't believe in an absolute morality. However, we group together as a society and collectively define right and wrong so as to have society function. That's why we have law. I'd talk a bit more, but I have to run. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below! http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn <cite>JeffreyRaze posted [p:672361] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Well, I don't believe in an absolute morality. However, we group together as a society and collectively define right and wrong so as to have society function. That's why we have law. I'd talk a bit more, but I have to run. -- MMBN style fighting game made by me in the link below!http://sandbox.yoyogames.com/games/184947-b8bn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 01/16/12 7:43:00 AM #128:	From: JeffreyRaze \| #127 Well, I don't believe in an absolute morality. However, we group together as a society and collectively define right and wrong so as to have society function. That's why we have law. I'd talk a bit more, but I have to run. So if you lived back in the Aztec culture would that make human sacrifice ok? Their society defined that as right. -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:672362] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: JeffreyRaze \| #127Well, I don't believe in an absolute morality. However, we group together as a society and collectively define right and wrong so as to have society function. That's why we have law. I'd talk a bit more, but I have to run.So if you lived back in the Aztec culture would that make human sacrifice ok? Their society defined that as right. -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:45:00 AM #129:	It's hard doing this when the moralists all have very different ideas of morals! @Leebo: If you believe in moral relativity, what's the difference between saying "It is right for me to be nice" and "I want to be nice." -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672363] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> It's hard doing this when the moralists all have very different ideas of morals!@Leebo:If you believe in moral relativity, what's the difference between saying "It is right for me to be nice" and "I want to be nice." -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:50:00 AM #130:	From: pjbasis \| #129 If you believe in moral relativity, what's the difference between saying "It is right for me to be nice" and "I want to be nice." You can believe that something is right and still not want to do it, obviously. It's not like everything that everyone does is automatically right because they did it. From: KingButz \| #128 So if you lived back in the Aztec culture would that make human sacrifice ok? Their society defined that as right. What we call right and wrong is always shifting. It wasn't long ago that slavery was okie dokie with nearly everyone (including God... not sure if he has changed his mind on that or what). -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672364] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #129If you believe in moral relativity, what's the difference between saying "It is right for me to be nice" and "I want to be nice."You can believe that something is right and still not want to do it, obviously. It's not like everything that everyone does is automatically right because they did it.From: KingButz \| #128So if you lived back in the Aztec culture would that make human sacrifice ok? Their society defined that as right.What we call right and wrong is always shifting. It wasn't long ago that slavery was okie dokie with nearly everyone (including God... not sure if he has changed his mind on that or what). -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:54:00 AM #131:	But why do you believe it's right? It's not something that's true in the sense that "this rock exists" because it can change from person to person. Why decide something is right that you don't want to do? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672365] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> But why do you believe it's right?It's not something that's true in the sense that "this rock exists" because it can change from person to person. Why decide something is right that you don't want to do? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 7:55:00 AM #132:	Sorry, let me clarify. I don't mean the kind of thing where you know you should study but you're too lazy. I mean the kind of contradiction like a homosexual believing homosexual relations are wrong. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672366] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Sorry, let me clarify.I don't mean the kind of thing where you know you should study but you're too lazy. I mean the kind of contradiction like a homosexual believing homosexual relations are wrong. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 7:57:00 AM #133:	From: pjbasis \| #132 I mean the kind of contradiction like a homosexual believing homosexual relations are wrong. That's just someone whose mind has been warped by religious people, lol. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672367] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #132I mean the kind of contradiction like a homosexual believing homosexual relations are wrong.That's just someone whose mind has been warped by religious people, lol. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 8:01:00 AM #134:	Bad example then. I want to think of an easy way to say that if people merely decide what is right and wrong, why do they do it in the first place? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672368] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Bad example then.I want to think of an easy way to say that if people merely decide what is right and wrong, why do they do it in the first place? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:02:00 AM #135:	Why? I dunno. I mean, maybe this is more baffling to someone who believes there is one moral truth. As someone who doesn't subscribe to any religion, it just seems obvious to me that there isn't one, since you can hop from religion to religion and always get a different answer. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672369] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Why? I dunno. I mean, maybe this is more baffling to someone who believes there is one moral truth. As someone who doesn't subscribe to any religion, it just seems obvious to me that there isn't one, since you can hop from religion to religion and always get a different answer. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 8:08:00 AM #136:	I don't believe in one moral truth. I believe morality is just a figment of humans. Which I think you would agree with, but you're stuck on thinking of it as a natural thing, whereas I'm trying to get you to see that it's no different then saying "I choose to act in this manner because I want to/it makes me feel good." -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672370] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I don't believe in one moral truth.I believe morality is just a figment of humans.Which I think you would agree with, but you're stuck on thinking of it as a natural thing, whereas I'm trying to get you to see that it's no different then saying "I choose to act in this manner because I want to/it makes me feel good." -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:09:00 AM #137:	How would that be unnatural? -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672371] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> How would that be unnatural? -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 01/16/12 8:13:00 AM #138:	From: Leebo86 \| #130 What we call right and wrong is always shifting. It wasn't long ago that slavery was okie dokie with nearly everyone (including God... not sure if he has changed his mind on that or what). But does that mean that Slavery was right at the time? Just because everyone thought that slavery was ok and right doesn't mean it was ok and right. There could be many aspects of society today that we believe are right that are actually wrong... we just haven't figured it out yet. I am a moral absolutist, if you hadn't noticed. Not an absolutist in that I believe that lying is morally wrong in every situation, etc., but that in any specific moral dilemma, there is a morally correct choice and morally incorrect choice(s). From: Leebo86 \| #135 Why? I dunno. I mean, maybe this is more baffling to someone who believes there is one moral truth. As someone who doesn't subscribe to any religion, it just seems obvious to me that there isn't one, since you can hop from religion to religion and always get a different answer. Just because there are many different religions doesn't mean that there are many different conflicting moral truths. Either one religion is true, or none of them are. -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:672372] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #130What we call right and wrong is always shifting. It wasn't long ago that slavery was okie dokie with nearly everyone (including God... not sure if he has changed his mind on that or what).But does that mean that Slavery was right at the time? Just because everyone thought that slavery was ok and right doesn't mean it was ok and right. There could be many aspects of society today that we believe are right that are actually wrong... we just haven't figured it out yet.I am a moral absolutist, if you hadn't noticed. Not an absolutist in that I believe that lying is morally wrong in every situation, etc., but that in any specific moral dilemma, there is a morally correct choice and morally incorrect choice(s).From: Leebo86 \| #135Why? I dunno. I mean, maybe this is more baffling to someone who believes there is one moral truth. As someone who doesn't subscribe to any religion, it just seems obvious to me that there isn't one, since you can hop from religion to religion and always get a different answer.Just because there are many different religions doesn't mean that there are many different conflicting moral truths. Either one religion is true, or none of them are. -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 8:14:00 AM #139:	Sorry, I don't mean natural in that sense, I mean something that you take for granted. "People just have their own set of ethics." I want to say that the word ethics in this case is a meaningless word and should be purged from use. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672373] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Sorry, I don't mean natural in that sense, I mean something that you take for granted."People just have their own set of ethics."I want to say that the word ethics in this case is a meaningless word and should be purged from use. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZenOfThunder 01/16/12 8:14:00 AM #140:	I was gonna post something contributing to the argument but I see the topic creator hasn't posted in a while so he was probably just stirring the pot to get everyone to argue I think you guys should like... stop -- *~Zen* <cite>ZenOfThunder posted [p:672374] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I was gonna post something contributing to the argument but I see the topic creator hasn't posted in a whileso he was probably just stirring the pot to get everyone to argueI think you guys should like... stop -- ~Zen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:15:00 AM #141:	From: KingButz \| #138 Either one religion is true, or none of them are I'm gonna lean toward none -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672375] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: KingButz \| #138Either one religion is true, or none of them areI'm gonna lean toward none -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 01/16/12 8:18:00 AM #142:	So does the absence of a true religion mean there is no certain moral truth? Even if there were no religion, there would still be good and bad. -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:672376] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> So does the absence of a true religion mean there is no certain moral truth? Even if there were no religion, there would still be good and bad. -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 8:20:00 AM #143:	We're kinda arguing about something completely different now, and there's nothing wrong with it. *KingButz posted...* Even if there were no religion, there would still be good and bad. You got something to back that up? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672377] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> We're kinda arguing about something completely different now, and there's nothing wrong with it.KingButz posted...Even if there were no religion, there would still be good and bad.You got something to back that up? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:21:00 AM #144:	Humans are a blip on the radar. Our morality is ours, and we are just hanging out in the boondocks of our galaxy. To say it applies to everything, everywhere, is just weird to me. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672378] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> Humans are a blip on the radar. Our morality is ours, and we are just hanging out in the boondocks of our galaxy. To say it applies to everything, everywhere, is just weird to me. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 01/16/12 8:22:00 AM #145:	I'd like to see what you think morality even means Leebo. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:672379] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I'd like to see what you think morality even means Leebo. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Icehawk 01/16/12 8:24:00 AM #146:	So I'm curious, what is your purpose for living? Does the concept of death bother you? This statement interested me because it ties a lot into why tons of people "believe" in some sort of religion, fear of the unknown. Whether they want to admit it or not. (also some of it is just legit brainwashing from parents, but it all ties to this) -- omg did u red text from last night dats so me LMAO : ) im not a slut i jus liek 2 haev fun LOL : ) <cite>Icehawk posted [p:672380] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> So I'm curious, what is your purpose for living? Does the concept of death bother you?This statement interested me because it ties a lot into why tons of people "believe" in some sort of religion, fear of the unknown. Whether they want to admit it or not. (also some of it is just legit brainwashing from parents, but it all ties to this) -- omg did u red text from last night dats so me LMAO : )im not a slut i jus liek 2 haev fun LOL : ) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:25:00 AM #147:	I know you're obsessed with good and evil and atheism, pjbasis, because you've brought it up in other atheism topics in the past. It's really not all that interesting to me. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672381] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> I know you're obsessed with good and evil and atheism, pjbasis, because you've brought it up in other atheism topics in the past. It's really not all that interesting to me. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 01/16/12 8:28:00 AM #148:	From: pjbasis \| #143 You got something to back that up? Are you saying that you believe that there is nothing truly good or bad? Imagine you are living in continual fear, being constantly raped and beaten while your family members are brutally murdered in front of your very eyes. Are you saying that there could possibly be a situation in which this would be anything but bad? From: Leebo86 \| #144 Humans are a blip on the radar. Our morality is ours, and we are just hanging out in the boondocks of our galaxy. To say it applies to everything, everywhere, is just weird to me. Would it be weird to say that the first law of motion applies to everywhere and everything? -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:672382] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: pjbasis \| #143You got something to back that up?Are you saying that you believe that there is nothing truly good or bad? Imagine you are living in continual fear, being constantly raped and beaten while your family members are brutally murdered in front of your very eyes. Are you saying that there could possibly be a situation in which this would be anything but bad?From: Leebo86 \| #144Humans are a blip on the radar. Our morality is ours, and we are just hanging out in the boondocks of our galaxy. To say it applies to everything, everywhere, is just weird to me.Would it be weird to say that the first law of motion applies to everywhere and everything? -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leebo86 01/16/12 8:29:00 AM #149:	From: KingButz \| #148 Would it be weird to say that the first law of motion applies to everywhere and everything? Not really, seeing as it doesn't rely on humans at all. It would exist even if humans didn't. -- Connecticut Huskies <cite>Leebo86 posted [p:672383] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: KingButz \| #148Would it be weird to say that the first law of motion applies to everywhere and everything?Not really, seeing as it doesn't rely on humans at all. It would exist even if humans didn't. -- Connecticut Huskies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 01/16/12 8:32:00 AM #150:	From: Leebo86 \| #149 Not really, seeing as it doesn't rely on humans at all. It would exist even if humans didn't. Why wouldn't morality exist if humans didn't? -- My Japanese alter-ego. Hey all this is Bartz btw. <cite>KingButz posted [p:672384] in Question f... [t:61667583]...</cite> <quote> From: Leebo86 \| #149Not really, seeing as it doesn't rely on humans at all. It would exist even if humans didn't.Why wouldn't morality exist if humans didn't? -- My Japanese alter-ego.Hey all this is Bartz btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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