Board 8 > Dangan Ronpa LP Thread: A Japanese-only "PW meets Battle Royale" game

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It can't be a female though. Kuwata's key card was disabled so it couldn't have been used by a female to get into the male locker room. Only vice-versa.

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I think she's protecting someone, actually, even if it's at the expense of her own life. Wouldn't surprise me if Mondo killed Chi trying to protect her.(Hearing someone in the dark, that sort of thing.)

At any rate you probably should be taking things at face value. A lot of things are said for the sake of giving you things to shoot at with your evidence bullets. Like what's-his-face and what's-his-face saying an iron bar was used. That's just plain daft.

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I stand by Togami doctoring the scene to draw out the culprit. The only thing that's certain at this point is that her declaring the killing was done by Syo was impossible should set off red flags. While Togami's intended purpose hasn't worked out yet, he did succeed in drawing out someone who knows more than they should. We'll see though!

From: RyokIes | Posted: 1/21/2012 4:35:48 PM | #048
Syo is gonna be someone completely ridiculous, mark my words. I bet its gonna be the otaku dude or book girl

Syo is definitely going to be book girl. I think that Togami is gonna be right about who Syo is but wrong about Syo being the culprit for this particular crime...if he thinks Syo did it, that is. I know he said it, but I don't think he actually means it.

As for the current crime, the killer is definitely Mondo and Togami doctored the scene. This much is obvious.

I really like the "Togami doctored the scene" theory (only theory that works without relying on Togami being a complete idiot), but why is the killer necessarily Mondo? (I'm not doubting your reasoning, just asking for some clarifications.)

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Mondo has the reason to be there (only person that could be Chihiro's training partner), motive (freaked out about the boy/girl thing, which he feels strongly about), and his card is the only one that has a reason to be messed up (spa bath, heat demagnetizes stuff).

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From: Haguile | #055
Syo is definitely going to be book girl. I think that Togami is gonna be right about who Syo is but wrong about Syo being the culprit for this particular crime...if he thinks Syo did it, that is. I know he said it, but I don't think he actually means it.

As for the current crime, the killer is definitely Mondo and Togami doctored the scene. This much is obvious.

Yeah I suppose I should make that clarification. I don't think that Syo was the person responsible for this murder (obv) but that doesn't mean Syo isn't one of them. Still very very possible, and yeah Fukawa makes perfect sense.

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Uh, I had forgotten the broken card issue. Yeah, that would make sense.

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From: Solfadore | Posted: 1/21/2012 10:13:00 PM | #056
I really like the "Togami doctored the scene" theory (only theory that works without relying on Togami being a complete idiot), but why is the killer necessarily Mondo? (I'm not doubting your reasoning, just asking for some clarifications.)

Goes like this:

->Evidence says that Chihiro asked for somebody to train with her
->Evidence says the murder took place in the male changing room
->Therefore Chihiro is a man and so is her murderer
->Only logical person to have done that is Mondo
->Under this theory, this would have been a crime of passion, so Mondo can't have been responsible for the scene looking like a serial killing or the murder being an actual serial killing.
->Therefore somebody else did it
->The body discovery order goes like this:
Naegi, Togami, activates when Hall Monitor sees it.
->This means that since we see everything from Naegi's point of view, Togami is the only one outside the killer who could have manipulated the scene. So "once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." So Togami must have doctored the scene and Mondo needs to have been the killer.

Hrmm....... Yeah, that sounds plausible enough. Taking that back to the beginning, we've got:

---> Chihiro almost certainly trained with someone. (If not, how could the murderer have known where she was? Sakura's testimony corroborates this anyway.)
---> Chihiro is almost certainly a man (ample foreshadowing + coffee stain/posters indicating that the crime took place in the male changing room).

From there on, we can deduce that her training partner is pretty much confirmed to be the murderer. Chi's body was found in the female changing room - however, his training partners should know by now that Chi is a man - and that his murderer must be a man also. However, shutting up means that a female is likely to be suspected, which means everyone dies. Therefore, only the murderer would have a motive to shut up. Building on that, we've got two conflicting theories:

---> Togami was Chi's training partner; he killed him, then doctored the scene to frame Fukawa.
---> Not-Togami (a man) killed Chi.

If we assume Togami is the murderer, we quickly reach a dead-end. Chi would have to be an absolute moron to choose Togami as a partner, knowing that the guy openly stated he aimed to kill someone and graduate (this might not have been what he truly meant, but the cast interpreted it that way, and that's all that matters). Furthermore, Togami would have to be an incredible idiot to mess up Syo's MO that bad with his life on the line... and then proceed to show Naegi all the evidence against him. Also, what kind of an idiot culprit would use the extension cord as a rope?

Sure, he's arrogant, but he's not that much of an airhead. Moreover, orenronen said that Chap 2 was his favourite chapter. Togami being the murderer would leave this chapter without a real plot twist, and I don't really see why orenronen would have liked it that much.

If we assume Not-Togami to be the acceptable solution, we've got two possible alternatives for the murder:

---> Culprit kills Chi. Switches the scenes around to shift the blame on the girls. Togami comes in, assumes Fukawa to be the murderer, doctors the scene to make it look like Syo did it, and then proceeds to inform Naegi in order to make the framing/accusing easier. Since he's sure Fukawa killed Chi - and since he knows he himself isn't the culprit - he's not as thorough in his doctoring, making small mistakes like the use of the extension cord. He really thinks he's playing smart by making sure the true culprit takes the fall. This hypothesis means the true culprit is passably smart, and Togami's an idiot (but nothing too bad).

---> Culprit kills Chi. Doesn't switch the scenes around and just leaves the room (he's in panic, doesn't know about the letterbox and just doesn't want to be caught). Togami comes in, sees the scene and decides to do a little switcheroo, all the while framing Syo. He does that to gauge reactions and entice the true murderer in slipping up by saying something he couldn't possibly know. Perhaps he's trying to see who's most likely to jump on the Fukawa-Syo bandwagon. Perhaps he has a further trap planned. Who knows. This theory means the true culprit is somewhat stupid and Togami's a magnificent bastard. I think it's somewhat less likely than the first alternative, though, if only because I think only Kirigiri and perhaps Celes are smart enough to try such a plan. I don't think Togami has it in him.

The training partner has to be either Mondo, Ishimaru or Hagakure. Of these three, Mondo is the most likely culprit, for all the above reasons. The card especially strikes me as very interesting - Monobear pretty much confirms that it's not Leon's. So either it's Chi's broken card or Mondo's (through steam/sauna - Mondo didn't take off his clothes, after all).

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Why I like the Mondo/Not-Togami theory:

---> The Togami-culprit theory means that Chi and Togami are complete morons.
---> Ample foreshadowing with Chi/Mondo. Also sounds like an appropriate twist.
---> Broken card seems like an appropriate piece of "decisive evidence", similar to the screwdriver in the first chapter.

Why I don't like it:

---> Still no adequate explanation for how Togami was able to find Chi's body so quickly. If he doctored the scene, he basically had to do it during the night (no time to discover the body in the morning, run back to the library to get the extension cord, then back to Chi to wrap everything up, before running downstairs to mingle with the others before the announcement). Furthermore, I would assume it to be pretty hard to paint that "bloodstained fever" message if the blood wasn't fresh.
----> Togami is sure to come under fire during the trial, and I don't think we have concrete evidence to defend him, so I'm not too sure how that would play out from a gameplay perspective (whereas I can see very well how the Togami-culprit theory would play out).

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Update.

What.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Predicted. Togami really is a sly bastard, getting the real culprit to let their guard down before he rails them, and creating a target for other murders in the coming days. It's a bit of a risk to himself, yeah but the end rewards are worth it.

To elaborate: Togami has tied Syo's hands now. She can't kill, otherwise the rest of the group knows who she is and she'll go immediately. She can't help but kill that certain way, she refuses to do anything less. She's one big bullseye now and nothing else. It was the best way he could have played it.

Fukawa rapidly becoming even more the best than she already was.

Hmm, but with the gender coming up here, is that bad for the crossdressing theory?

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How? Most people in the game still think that Chihiro was a girl.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

I'm just thinking of things in a meta way, it seems to be disruptive for the story to use that as evidence here and then use the opposite as evidence later. But we'll see.

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Not at all. Therein lies the catch.

"But, but Chi was a boy, she still could have done it!"
"How did you know that?"

Boom.

Edit: The moment they go down the road of Chi being a boy the culprit essentially becomes trapped.

It's all about leading the trial in a direction that puts pressure on the culprit out of nowhere and causes them to make a mistake. Just wait for it, you'll see.

Oh jeez.

Notice how Fukawa expresses a like towards "moe" men. Kinda like Chihiro, huh? It would be pretty crazy if the game sets it up so we think Togami framed Fukawa (like it's going right now), but then turns 180 degrees again and it's more about Fukawa framing Togami.

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I don't think she'd have defiled her own work to frame someone else, actually.

I saw "PW meets" and just clicked out of instinct.

So tag.

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By the way, the only one who hasn't really discussed much of anything this trial is Mondo. He's been in shock the entire time, and even fat boy has managed to get a few words out of discussion.

Unless it was Fukawa and not Syo who did it.

EDIT: Then again, that'd be dumb. I'm just trying to entertain the thought that Togami isn't the murderer, even though he totally is.

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I think Mondo hasn't said anything because it's bad writing to have too many people talking at once.

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Man. There are still people in the SA thread that think Chihiro is a guy, or that Mondo can't be the killer. Maybe it's because Umineko brought an influx of new mystery fans to B8 but they're kinda dumb over there compared to us.

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Black Turtle did a pretty good job.

Yeah, no. They've had everyone else say something relevant. He's just stood there with the occasional,"What?!" with wide eyes.

Edit: Save for the quiet one, but then she's always like that so it's not that out of character. For someone who's vocal, brash, and headstrong to a fault, put two and two together.

I still think Chi is a guy, there's nothing wrong with that. It ties into Mondo being the killer, but beyond that the whole Togami killed Chi theory is something they need to let go.

Oops, meant that they think Chihiro isn't a guy. Yeah that sort of changed the whole meaning of the sentence.

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From: KamikazePotato | Posted: 1/22/2012 2:44:51 PM | #077
Man. There are still people in the SA thread that think Chihiro is a guy, or that Mondo can't be the killer. Maybe it's because Umineko brought an influx of new mystery fans to B8 but they're kinda dumb over there compared to us.

There's also the fact that people listen to me here, which helps.[not to be arrogant]

Predictable but still awesome update.

Wow, I'm honestly shocked. I thought they were going for the "Man, it's sooooo obvious that she's the killer, huh?" route that she wouldn't ACTUALLY be the killer.

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Not THE killer, but A killer, I mean.

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Man SA really hates Togami.

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That update was beautiful. At first, I was like "Togami why the hell would you do that", but upon further thinking, yeah, Togami just basically got Syo into a corner.

Mondo being the killer is pretty likely, upon hearing the evidence for it. I don't think Mondo talked very much in the first trial either. He doesn't seem much of a trial guy.

What I find odd is that Kirigiri is reaaaaaaally quiet during this whole time. I love how Hifumi's shocked animation is facing the opposite direction of Syo. Also, the fortune teller is like ALWAYS in his :o sprite. It's great.

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damn i was wrong

but this outcome is pretty awesome too.

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maybe, lol

bump

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For the record, since I feel like betting and nobody wants to bet against me, if I'm wrong about Togami doctoring the scene and Mondo being the culprit, first person to claim has my signature for a month.

I don't think you'll be correct on both accounts.

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Why not?

Mondo could be the killer, but then that means Togami is a complete idiot who doctored a scene for no good reason.

Of course, Togami would be an idiot if he was the killer as well; since he showed the MC so much information.

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maybe, lol

If Mondo is the killer, than Togami doctored the scene because he legitimately thought that Syo was the killer and wanted to make it easier to convict her.

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I don't think that Togami would have doctored the scene unless he knew for certain that Syo killed her, (if he didn't himself) but I don't know why he would have thought Syo killed her.

I think it's either Togami doctored the scene and killed her himself, or someone else got into the files and tried to make it look like Syo killed her because they knew that Togami knew about Syo.

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Togami thought Syo killed her because Syo is a serial killer who admittedly can't control her own urges. Like, it doesn't get much better than that.

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He obviously knew about the MOs though, (at least a couple of them) and any right minded person would figure that the killer would stick by those MOs.

This is only the second case, so I don't think things are going to get a lot more complex than they already are.

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He stated himself in the trial that he didn't think that Syo would stick to the MO in a life-or-death situation like that. Whether or not you think he lied is another thing, but if he isn't it's a perfectly reasonable explanation. Togami is in it to win it, and he would probably have some difficulty understanding that other people don't do things the way he does.

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That's still quite a stretch to assume that. Considering...
1) The body was in the males' changing room.
2) The body wasn't killed with the trademark scissors.
3) The body wasn't crucified.
4) Bloodstain fever wasn't written on the wall.

Togami would have to be a complete idiot to think that Syo killed Chihiro.

There's also the whole thing about Mondo not knowing that Chihiro was out at night in the first place.

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Uh, all that stuff doesn't matter whatsoever under what I said. Togami knew about the MO and didn't think it mattered. He literally stated this himself at the trial.

Chihiro invited Mondo. Training partner. Only person that fits.

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From: Silverliner182V | Posted: 1/23/2012 9:22:10 PM | #096
There's also the whole thing about Mondo not knowing that Chihiro was out at night in the first place.

ARE. YOU. SERIOUS. BRO?

Why would Togami think a corpse found in the men's changing room, was killed by Syo? How did Syo access the room without a card? Remember, she doesn't know about the card bin. (iirc)

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From: Silverliner182V | Posted: 1/23/2012 10:57:29 PM | #099
Why would Togami think a corpse found in the men's changing room, was killed by Syo?

Because it wasn't. Mondo flipped the rooms. Togami just doctored the Syo stuff.