Of course there's no such thing as Post-Contest Analysis without Ulti, who dropped by to talk Contest with us alongside the always insightful Leon. We went in depth on that wonderful Trainers versus Cloud/Seph match, but unfortunately this bracket didn't give leave us with too much else to highlight... so instead we focused on what SB needs to fix for next time and discussed what kinds of Contests he ought to be thinking about for 2012. (incoming Couples Contest?!)
Turned out pretty well- hopefully you're able to put your distaste for this bracket aside long enough to give it a listen!
* POKEMON/FF7, wow! (also a little on Mario/Link)
* GRADES for Bacon (pros, cons, what could be improved)
WHAT NEXT? (is 128 Games the best option for 2012?) (ban JUST Link, or Cloud too? or MORE?)
* BEST MATCH + OVERALL STARS and TURDS (well, second best match)
* sooooooo, Rivals '11... Worst. Contest. EVER?
30 SECONDS TO PIMP A GAME (your #1 nom for Games '12)
Here's looking forward to The Show Season 4.... hopefully it won't take 10 months to arrive this time!
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We ran out of time to get into the side contest results and that sort of thing, so as I promised at the end of the episode... here are the final x-stats for 2011! (unadjusted)
- Brian920, our one and only Perfect 5 finished with only 1 mistake and tied for second place (SuperNiceDog, tazzy, Raven, MightyPeanut, and the charming t_kizzle)
- 50 went Perfect through all 62 matches, but 46 messed up afterward; 4 tie for win with wussy 10% pick (sonicboom, Admiralnobody, JeffreyRaze, StingerPA)
- yo tied for 6th with wussy straight pick
- Ngamer 35th with a SUPER wussy straight pick of Link
- lefty scores a deviously underhanded 7 pt win - yo takes second thanks to Pokemon - then Moltar, then Ngamer (who stole 4th from Luster on the last match)
- Ngamer 2nd for teams, 14 pts back of lefty's team (yo 13th)
You are lucky I love The Show or I wouldn't listen. Contest so bad I almost don't care
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Yeah that was ummmm well it was so good I didn't do my play by play so .... good effort guys
You made the best of a bad situation, the episode missing Yoblazer made it really suffer. His unique humour would have saved this.
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A tag team contest could be worse than this. I think contests are good when people care about what they're voting on. People would not care about an arbitrary team of Samus/Laharl.
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Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who.
It's not so much Link's dominance as Zelda's in general IMO. Last 10 contest winners:
1. Link vs. Ganondorf 2. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3. Link 4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 5. Link 6. L-Block (Link was runner up) 7. Link 8. The Legend of Zelda (series) 9. Link 10. Sephiroth (Ganondorf was runner up)
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Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who.
I think Systems would rock. Sure there'd be some horrendous fodder, but there always is. Do people think the SNES would crush the field with ease or something? I think they might be surprised.
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Who knew the Rivalry Rumble would be so predictable? SuperNiceDog, that's who.
Ngamer: And I guess it was little surprising that only 37% of the site ended up picking Link for the championship.
That's not surprising at all. In almost every contest that Link wins, he usually has a prediction percentage in the 30-40% range. Let's take a look at the contests in which this is true:
2004 - 35.39% 2006 - 36.05% (Battle Royale match) 2007 - 9.00% / 32.47% (the 32.47% was for first place) 2010 - 36.55% 2011 - 37.49%
Ngamer: Pros for Bacon, the vote-in polls
I agree with you. They are good because they keep a lot of the bad trash from getting into the bracket. Still, it can't keep Guybrush from making the bracket as he manages to bypass the vote-in polls. If Guybrush ever did make it into a vote-in poll, it would likely keep him from getting into the bracket.
Ngamer: That was way more pros than anyone probably we've had.
My pro, which no one mentioned: 12-hour matches for round 1. Since we knew this contest would probably suck, the 12-hour matches would result in a 48 day contest instead of 64 days. So if this contest really did suck, we only had to endure 48 days of suckiness instead of 64 days.
Ngamer: The first 5 or 6 hours that nominations opened, he was adding when a big rally started, he'd add it in there. And then never touched again and nominations went on for like a really long time.
That sounds about correct. No new suggestions were added to the database after the first day of nominations.
Ngamer: If the seedings had gone a little bit differently, we would have had more competitive matches.
I agree that the seedings were really messed up, and I would blame that on our poor nomination totals. It's hard to get accurate seeds with only 14800 nominations. The poor nomination totals also affect who gets into the bracket without being part of the vote-ins. And being in the vote-ins pretty much guarantees that you will end up being a 7 or 8 seed, even if you are stronger than some of the stuff that got a 6 seed (or better than that). Crono was particularly screwed by the vote-in polls as Crono/Magus was not in the suggestion database and Crono/Lavos is a bad rivalry. So Crono suffered in this contest because he had a harder time getting nominations, which are very important to being able to avoid those vote-ins. And who knows, Crono might have even avoided the vote-ins with as little as 10 or 15 extra nominations, given our poor nomination totals.
Ngamer: Let's talk just briefly about that poll that SB ran right after the contest. Would you like to see Link removed from future character battles?
Ngamer brought up that poll, which is similar to a poll that CJayC ran after the 2004 Character Battle. I linked to that 2004 poll above. If you compare that 2004 poll to the poll we got after the end of this year's contest, the results are similar. From the 2004 poll:
Yes, it's too predictable 47.61%
From the poll after the end of this contest:
Yes, it ruins the whole contest if he wins every time 12.49% While you're at it, get rid of Cloud, and maybe even Mario 35.98%
The last 2 options add up to 48.47%, which is only about 1% better than percentage from the 2004 poll. So the contest haters have been around on this site for over 7 years now. The results from 2004 are almost identical to the results today.
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I've said this about Allen before, but I think he tries too hard sometimes to keep the contests "fresh" by introducing these gimmicks and these new types of contests.
A straight up Games Contest with FFVII, OoT, and maybe even Majora's Mask if you want, removed is the best possible contest we can have right now. Do it.
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Do you really think it's that popular among men from the ages of 13-25 in the 21st century?
I mean, if you have a mixed bracket of VG characters and non-VG characters, I highly, highly, highly doubt that you have enough people who would nominate Jane Eyre to get anywhere close to making a bracket.
It's total nonsense.
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Do you really think it's that popular among men from the ages of 13-25 in the 21st century?
I mean, if you have a mixed bracket of VG characters and non-VG characters, I highly, highly, highly doubt that you have enough people who would nominate Jane Eyre to get anywhere close to making a bracket.
It's total nonsense.
Guybrush Threepwood and a bunch of Tales of I don't even know what characters get nominated every year, so why not? Nominations are wonky, I'd expect one or more 19th century British Lit characters to make the bracket, whether or not Jane Eyre specifically makes it, where their fate will be to get 90/10'd by Batman or Vader.
Also, isn't Jane Eyre required reading in high school? At least it was in mine.
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Congratulations to SuperNiceDog, Guru Winner, who was smart enough to pick your 7 time champion, Link.
From: red sox 777 | #047 Guybrush Threepwood and a bunch of Tales of I don't even know what characters get nominated every year, so why not?
Big difference: This is a video game website, not a classic novels website.
If we still include VG characters in this bracket, then there is virtually no chance a character from something like an old classic novel makes it into the contest.
They wouldn't be eligible anyway, but that's beside the point.
From: red sox 777 | #042 Also, after that disgusting 58/42 beatdown, I'm going to have great difficulty saying that Zelda fans are not drones.
sox, not you too. Mario's strong performance in the finals flies in the face of the "Zelda drone" argument. Cloud/Seph just turned out weaker than expected; Mario/Bowser could have plausibly given them the ol 55/45. The two classic Nintendo hero/villain rivalries that have had 25 years to cook were just very far ahead of the pack, and it's easy to explain why.
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