Board 8 > Update on that Zelda timeline

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2
OmarsComin 12/26/11 1:27:00 AM #1:	So some dude translated it directly I guess. http://www.zeldadungeon.net/2011/12/zelda-timeline-grid-now-translated/ Most important thing - if the translation is accurate, the left timeline is "The Hero of Time is Defeated." Seems pretty clear cut. <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:598656] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> So some dude translated it directly I guess.http://www.zeldadungeon.net/2011/12/zelda-timeline-grid-now-translated/Most important thing - if the translation is accurate, the left timeline is "The Hero of Time is Defeated." Seems pretty clear cut. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScorpioVS 12/26/11 1:31:00 AM #2:	Zelda fans are really **ing crazy. -- Dark Defender <cite>ScorpioVS posted [p:598657] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Zelda fans are really **ing crazy. -- Dark Defender </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shoenin_Kakashi 12/26/11 1:32:00 AM #3:	what major fanbase isnt? -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude. SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude <cite>Shoenin_Kakashi posted [p:598658] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> what major fanbase isnt? -- Oh SuperNiceDog's doing it again dude.SuperNiceDog, you ain't no pimp dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 12/26/11 1:53:00 AM #4:	Don't really get why OoT Link being defeated is the only one that splits timelines. Or is he just so pathetic as to be the only Link that could possibly fail? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:598659] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Don't really get why OoT Link being defeated is the only one that splits timelines. Or is he just so pathetic as to be the only Link that could possibly fail? -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FashnQueenEtna 12/26/11 2:02:00 AM #5:	Malladus... what? -- Chrono1219 <cite>FashnQueenEtna posted [p:598660] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Malladus... what? -- Chrono1219 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/26/11 2:04:00 AM #6:	*pjbasis posted...* Don't really get why OoT Link being defeated is the only one that splits timelines. Or is he just so pathetic as to be the only Link that could possibly fail? Nowhere does it suggest that's the only one that splits timelines. They have just chosen to have the games made thus far branching off of that. EDIT: Also, does he actually time travel in any of the others before it to even make alternate timelines possible? -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:598661] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> pjbasis posted...Don't really get why OoT Link being defeated is the only one that splits timelines. Or is he just so pathetic as to be the only Link that could possibly fail?Nowhere does it suggest that's the only one that splits timelines. They have just chosen to have the games made thus far branching off of that.EDIT: Also, does he actually time travel in any of the others before it to even make alternate timelines possible? -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 12/26/11 2:04:00 AM #7:	I highly suspect they'll come up with some special reason before allowing countless what-if scenarios to exist. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:598662] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> I highly suspect they'll come up with some special reason before allowing countless what-if scenarios to exist. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senjougaharaism 12/26/11 2:44:00 AM #8:	From: StealThisSheen \| #005 Also, does he actually time travel in any of the others before it to even make alternate timelines possible? I still don't get how getting defeated even has anything to do with time travel. Whenever link dies, it's game over. So in order to even create a defeated timeline he needs to do it after creating the other two and from what I understand after he creates the child timeline there's no way for him to travel in time anymore. -- DON~! <cite>Senjougaharaism posted [p:598663] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: StealThisSheen \| #005Also, does he actually time travel in any of the others before it to even make alternate timelines possible?I still don't get how getting defeated even has anything to do with time travel. Whenever link dies, it's game over. So in order to even create a defeated timeline he needs to do it after creating the other two and from what I understand after he creates the child timeline there's no way for him to travel in time anymore. -- DON~! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/26/11 2:54:00 AM #9:	From: Senjougaharaism \| #008 I still don't get how getting defeated even has anything to do with time travel. Whenever link dies, it's game over. So in order to even create a defeated timeline he needs to do it after creating the other two and from what I understand after he creates the child timeline there's no way for him to travel in time anymore. Wrong order. It's first time travel>Link loses to Ganon after the tower collapses>last time travel. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:598664] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: Senjougaharaism \| #008I still don't get how getting defeated even has anything to do with time travel. Whenever link dies, it's game over. So in order to even create a defeated timeline he needs to do it after creating the other two and from what I understand after he creates the child timeline there's no way for him to travel in time anymore.Wrong order. It's first time travel>Link loses to Ganon after the tower collapses>last time travel. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Senjougaharaism 12/26/11 3:07:00 AM #10:	how does he time travel after ganon defeats him, wouldn't he be dead after that. -- DON~! <cite>Senjougaharaism posted [p:598665] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> how does he time travel after ganon defeats him, wouldn't he be dead after that. -- DON~! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/26/11 3:19:00 AM #11:	*OmarsComin posted...* Most important thing - if the translation is accurate, the left timeline is "The Hero of Time is Defeated." Seems pretty clear cut. This is pretty dumb tbh. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:598666] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> OmarsComin posted...Most important thing - if the translation is accurate, the left timeline is "The Hero of Time is Defeated." Seems pretty clear cut.This is pretty dumb tbh. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 12/26/11 3:21:00 AM #12:	Yeah, thinking about it... "Hero is defeated" doesn't make sense, since it'd stop any other timelines from happening after it. It makes more sense as a timeline that Link left behind when time traveling and never returned to, thus leaving Ganon to "win." -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:598667] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, thinking about it... "Hero is defeated" doesn't make sense, since it'd stop any other timelines from happening after it.It makes more sense as a timeline that Link left behind when time traveling and never returned to, thus leaving Ganon to "win." -- SEP Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996Step FOUR! Get Paid! http://img.imgcake.com/stevenashgifpu.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 12/26/11 3:29:00 AM #13:	From: StealThisSheen \| #012 Yeah, thinking about it... "Hero is defeated" doesn't make sense, since it'd stop any other timelines from happening after it. It makes more sense as a timeline that Link left behind when time traveling and never returned to, thus leaving Ganon to "win." Makes perfect sense. It's the most pivotal battle in the timeline - if Link wins, not one but TWO Hyrules are saved, and Termina on top of that. The consequences of losing are tht darkness falls for an age, hence why there's a split. It's like a non-standard Game Over. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:598668] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: StealThisSheen \| #012Yeah, thinking about it... "Hero is defeated" doesn't make sense, since it'd stop any other timelines from happening after it.It makes more sense as a timeline that Link left behind when time traveling and never returned to, thus leaving Ganon to "win."Makes perfect sense. It's the most pivotal battle in the timeline - if Link wins, not one but TWO Hyrules are saved, and Termina on top of that. The consequences of losing are tht darkness falls for an age, hence why there's a split. It's like a non-standard Game Over. -- Sburbopolis, Homestuck RPG: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/60981373 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 3:33:00 AM #14:	I think the reasoning for that timeline is a line from LttP that references a war that happened for the Sages to seal Ganon away. So Link fights Ganon and loses, and then the Sages band together and sacrifice themselves to seal Ganon away in the Sacred Realm, leading to ALttP. Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. And in the child timeline, that future never even gets a chance to happen since Link stopped Ganondorf. You guys are thinking about it too linearly; the split timelines are different possibilities of what COULD happen. Link doesn't go around systematical creating offshoot timelines. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598669] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> I think the reasoning for that timeline is a line from LttP that references a war that happened for the Sages to seal Ganon away. So Link fights Ganon and loses, and then the Sages band together and sacrifice themselves to seal Ganon away in the Sacred Realm, leading to ALttP.Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. And in the child timeline, that future never even gets a chance to happen since Link stopped Ganondorf.You guys are thinking about it too linearly; the split timelines are different possibilities of what COULD happen. Link doesn't go around systematical creating offshoot timelines. <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 3:35:00 AM #15:	Er, well actually I guess Ganon would just "get better" between OoT-Adult and Wind Waker, but whatever. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598670] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Er, well actually I guess Ganon would just "get better" between OoT-Adult and Wind Waker, but whatever. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/26/11 3:40:00 AM #16:	*HeroDelTiempo17 posted...* Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. And in the child timeline, that future never even gets a chance to happen since Link stopped Ganondorf. <_< Why didn't the sages exist in WW though? That follows the Adult timeline, and Link released them in OoT. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch <cite>redrocket posted [p:598671] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> HeroDelTiempo17 posted...Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. And in the child timeline, that future never even gets a chance to happen since Link stopped Ganondorf. <_<Why didn't the sages exist in WW though? That follows the Adult timeline, and Link released them in OoT. -- From his looks Magus is Macho Man Randy Savage as an anime zombie. The black wind howls, and one of you will snap into a Slim Jim ooh yeeeah! -sonicblastpunch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 12/26/11 4:02:00 AM #17:	So the Zelda that was put into the coma that led to the rule of every princess being named Zelda wasn't the actual first Princess Zelda, or even close to it. Dumb. They could even still place Zelda 2 in the same spot in the timeline and just have "the tragedy of Princess Zelda I" happen much earlier. -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance (10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:598672] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> So the Zelda that was put into the coma that led to the rule of every princess being named Zelda wasn't the actual first Princess Zelda, or even close to it. Dumb. They could even still place Zelda 2 in the same spot in the timeline and just have "the tragedy of Princess Zelda I" happen much earlier. -- (10:17:09 PM) Ed Bellis: i think pac-man just keeps repeating, for instance(10:17:26 PM) ertyu: ya well tell that to billy michtlle </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/26/11 4:07:00 AM #18:	I think they just forgot entirely the reason why it was assumed two timelines were formed in OoT because it was basically mandatory for that to happen thanks to time travel. Adult world goes off on it's own to WW after OoT, that makes sense. Link went back to his childhood and did Majora's Mask. Child timeline, that makes sense. After his OoT travels, Link puts away the master sword so the triforce isn't gotten by Ganondorf, something's probably done about him, and he runs off to find navi and Majora's Mask happens. Past that, no real reason why a lot of them are connected overall, just a handful on why they make sense in like 2-3 game stints. Like, LttP and Link's Awakening make sense because LA Link's already been on adventures and is sailing about the world, and his dream world's heavily based on LttP bosses. Oracles games to LA make sense because he ends them specifically going out on a ship. Only goofy thing is LttP -> Oracles is a bit weird since it's like he doesn't even know Zelda. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:598673] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> I think they just forgot entirely the reason why it was assumed two timelines were formed in OoT because it was basically mandatory for that to happen thanks to time travel.Adult world goes off on it's own to WW after OoT, that makes sense. Link went back to his childhood and did Majora's Mask.Child timeline, that makes sense. After his OoT travels, Link puts away the master sword so the triforce isn't gotten by Ganondorf, something's probably done about him, and he runs off to find navi and Majora's Mask happens.Past that, no real reason why a lot of them are connected overall, just a handful on why they make sense in like 2-3 game stints. Like, LttP and Link's Awakening make sense because LA Link's already been on adventures and is sailing about the world, and his dream world's heavily based on LttP bosses. Oracles games to LA make sense because he ends them specifically going out on a ship. Only goofy thing is LttP -> Oracles is a bit weird since it's like he doesn't even know Zelda. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dauntless Hunter 12/26/11 4:18:00 AM #19:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #014 Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. Uhhh... http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Sages#Gallery -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Dauntless Hunter posted [p:598674] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #014Compare it to the timeline that leads to a Wind Waker, where Link never comes to the future, the Sages never exist, and the goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganon.Uhhh...http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Sages#Gallery -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
beavis666x2 12/26/11 5:16:00 AM #20:	Why do you keep bringing up that Zelda timeline when we know this is the true one. http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/The_FINAL_Zelda_Timeline -- Nanomachines: The cause of and solution to all of life's problems. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5980/861756874pp6.jpg <cite>beavis666x2 posted [p:598675] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Why do you keep bringing up that Zelda timeline when we know this is the true one.http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/The_FINAL_Zelda_Timeline -- Nanomachines: The cause of and solution to all of life's problems.http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5980/861756874pp6.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 7:33:00 AM #21:	The fact that the left branch is essentially an entirely separate canon and not a result of rampant OoT Time Travel is incredibly ridiculous IMO. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598676] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> The fact that the left branch is essentially an entirely separate canon and not a result of rampant OoT Time Travel is incredibly ridiculous IMO. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Swifticuffs 12/26/11 8:00:00 AM #22:	From: JaKyL25 \| Posted: 12/26/2011 10:33:46 AM \| #021 The fact that the left branch is essentially an entirely separate canon and not a result of rampant OoT Time Travel is incredibly ridiculous IMO. i don't see what the big deal is... if OOT Link loses to Ganon, you get the LTTP timeline if OOT Link beats Ganon you have a separate future and past full of... no ganon i guess? -- *~Swift~* <cite>Swifticuffs posted [p:598677] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| Posted: 12/26/2011 10:33:46 AM \| #021The fact that the left branch is essentially an entirely separate canon and not a result of rampant OoT Time Travel is incredibly ridiculous IMO.i don't see what the big deal is...if OOT Link loses to Ganon, you get the LTTP timelineif OOT Link beats Ganon you have a separate future and past full of... no ganoni guess? -- ~Swift~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Swifticuffs 12/26/11 8:00:00 AM #23:	or rather, full of separate events? -- *~Swift~* <cite>Swifticuffs posted [p:598678] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> or rather, full of separate events? -- ~Swift~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 8:14:00 AM #24:	The issue is that all 3 branches of the timeline cannot exist now within the same canon. The middle branch and the right branch both exist at the same time, stemming from defeat of Ganon and branching off into two different directions. That's fine, that makes temporal sense. Adding in a non-canonical element to get to the left branch is extremely, extremely lazy, especially when a canonical way to get there readily exists. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598679] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> The issue is that all 3 branches of the timeline cannot exist now within the same canon.The middle branch and the right branch both exist at the same time, stemming from defeat of Ganon and branching off into two different directions. That's fine, that makes temporal sense.Adding in a non-canonical element to get to the left branch is extremely, extremely lazy, especially when a canonical way to get there readily exists. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
special_sauce 12/26/11 8:20:00 AM #25:	yeah this isn't that confusing that said, it probably would've been better if they had been working on a timeline all along. So that it made a little more sense (mostly just with the placement of the "Tragedy of Princess Zelda I" event) -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas <cite>special_sauce posted [p:598680] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> yeah this isn't that confusingthat said, it probably would've been better if they had been working on a timeline all along. So that it made a little more sense (mostly just with the placement of the "Tragedy of Princess Zelda I" event) -- Me_Pie_Three wants a SuperNiceDog for Christmas </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 12/26/11 10:40:00 AM #26:	Nevermind that these are the games I cherished growing up, the idea that they come from an alternative canon in which the Hero is DEFEATED is repulsive. Why can't they just let it be a simple timeline split? That makes a lot more sense, seeing how it's in line with the rules of the second split, as well. -- At least we got beat by a SuperNiceDog, 2011 Rivals Guru Champ! <cite>paerarru posted [p:598681] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Nevermind that these are the games I cherished growing up, the idea that they come from an alternative canon in which the Hero is DEFEATED is repulsive. Why can't they just let it be a simple timeline split? That makes a lot more sense, seeing how it's in line with the rules of the second split, as well. -- At least we got beat by a SuperNiceDog, 2011 Rivals Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/26/11 10:44:00 AM #27:	Yeah, to essentially have the foundations of the series instantly be whisked away to more or less noncanon status is really, really, really, really, really, really, really dumb. I played OoT and it did not accept me being killed as an ending. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:598682] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Yeah, to essentially have the foundations of the series instantly be whisked away to more or less noncanon status is really, really, really, really, really, really, really dumb.I played OoT and it did not accept me being killed as an ending. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 1:58:00 PM #28:	None of the timelines are non-canon, they're all alternative canons. That's...the entire point of the split-timeline model. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598683] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> None of the timelines are non-canon, they're all alternative canons. That's...the entire point of the split-timeline model. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iGenesis 12/26/11 2:00:00 PM #29:	"I want somebody to ask them, what happened to this timeline document being secretive? It’s strange seeing them go from being so adamant about NOT revealing the Zelda Timeline, to all of a sudden releasing it in great detail in a full blow publication." $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -- *GameFAQs.com: Where YOU make the content, but CBS makes the money.* http://lueshi.info/Mario_Zelda_Tier_List.gif <cite>iGenesis posted [p:598684] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> "I want somebody to ask them, what happened to this timeline document being secretive? It’s strange seeing them go from being so adamant about NOT revealing the Zelda Timeline, to all of a sudden releasing it in great detail in a full blow publication."$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ -- GameFAQs.com: Where YOU make the content, but CBS makes the money.http://lueshi.info/Mario_Zelda_Tier_List.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 2:13:00 PM #30:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #028 None of the timelines are non-canon, they're all alternative canons. That's...the entire point of the split-timeline model. The middle timeline and the right timeline can both be achieved by one singular set of actions that takes place within the universe. The left timeline (at least according to this) cannot be achieved unless a completely different set of actions took place. So basically from the canon standpoint, EITHER the left branch happens OR the middle AND right branches happen. There's a way to achieve all three (with some retconning of some details), but it's not the route they chose, apparently. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598685] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #028None of the timelines are non-canon, they're all alternative canons. That's...the entire point of the split-timeline model.The middle timeline and the right timeline can both be achieved by one singular set of actions that takes place within the universe.The left timeline (at least according to this) cannot be achieved unless a completely different set of actions took place.So basically from the canon standpoint, EITHER the left branch happens OR the middle AND right branches happen.There's a way to achieve all three (with some retconning of some details), but it's not the route they chose, apparently. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
waveon_196 12/26/11 2:15:00 PM #31:	tag -- Hmmm nah, let's both just say AU and EU is getting the shaft when it comes to games. - wikido <cite>waveon_196 posted [p:598686] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> tag -- Hmmm nah, let's both just say AU and EU is getting the shaft when it comes to games. - wikido </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMetalex 12/26/11 2:19:00 PM #32:	Man, the potential non-canon status of the first Zelda games completely destroys my enjoyment of them! <cite>BlackMetalex posted [p:598687] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Man, the potential non-canon status of the first Zelda games completely destroys my enjoyment of them! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 2:29:00 PM #33:	From: JaKyL25 \| #030 The middle timeline and the right timeline can both be achieved by one singular set of actions that takes place within the universe. The left timeline (at least according to this) cannot be achieved unless a completely different set of actions took place. So basically from the canon standpoint, EITHER the left branch happens OR the middle AND right branches happen. There's a way to achieve all three (with some retconning of some details), but it's not the route they chose, apparently. Well...exactly. Multiple timelines imply multiple sets of actions and multiple outcomes to those outcomes. That's kind of the entire point. I'm not sure why you're upset about this. I'm sure the intent was never to make any of the games non-canon, and that's not what's happening here at all. Last I checked, it was entirely possible for Link to die during OoT. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598688] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #030The middle timeline and the right timeline can both be achieved by one singular set of actions that takes place within the universe.The left timeline (at least according to this) cannot be achieved unless a completely different set of actions took place.So basically from the canon standpoint, EITHER the left branch happens OR the middle AND right branches happen.There's a way to achieve all three (with some retconning of some details), but it's not the route they chose, apparently.Well...exactly. Multiple timelines imply multiple sets of actions and multiple outcomes to those outcomes. That's kind of the entire point. I'm not sure why you're upset about this. I'm sure the intent was never to make any of the games non-canon, and that's not what's happening here at all. Last I checked, it was entirely possible for Link to die during OoT. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xiahou Shake 12/26/11 2:32:00 PM #34:	So this pretty much confirms that the left timeline is indeed based off of an alternate reality, rather than any actual outcome OoT had. What were they smoking, seriously? The timeline the fans came up with explained everything perfectly based on the two conclusions that OoT actually had, why did they feel the need to bring in "hey, what if Link died?" into this? -_-; -- Falcon Punch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw <cite>Xiahou Shake posted [p:598689] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> So this pretty much confirms that the left timeline is indeed based off of an alternate reality, rather than any actual outcome OoT had. What were they smoking, seriously? The timeline the fans came up with explained everything perfectly based on the two conclusions that OoT actually had, why did they feel the need to bring in "hey, what if Link died?" into this? -_-; -- Falcon Punchhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 2:34:00 PM #35:	Sure, that's why I said you get either the left branch or the other two together. The middle and right timelines are not set in motion by multiple sets of actions leading to multiple outcomes. They are BOTH set into motion by ONE singular action leading to ONE outcome. That outcome just happens to be a Split Timeline They both sprout concurrently from the defeat of Ganon in Ocarina of Time, and there is no "What if X had happened instead?" taking place. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598690] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Sure, that's why I said you get either the left branch or the other two together.The middle and right timelines are not set in motion by multiple sets of actions leading to multiple outcomes. They are BOTH set into motion by ONE singular action leading to ONE outcome. That outcome just happens to be a Split Timeline They both sprout concurrently from the defeat of Ganon in Ocarina of Time, and there is no "What if X had happened instead?" taking place. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 2:39:00 PM #36:	From: Xiahou Shake \| #034 The timeline the fans came up with explained everything perfectly based on the two conclusions that OoT actually had, why did they feel the need to bring in "hey, what if Link died?" into this? -_-; IMO this timeline would actually be better than the fan timelines if they just used some internal consistency with regard to all the time traveling Link does in OoT. It would clear up a lot of plotholes regarding their time travel mechanics, and it wouldn't require any "what if?" scenario. All it would take is a bit of sprucing up some of the ALttP backstory to make everything fit right. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598691] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: Xiahou Shake \| #034The timeline the fans came up with explained everything perfectly based on the two conclusions that OoT actually had, why did they feel the need to bring in "hey, what if Link died?" into this? -_-;IMO this timeline would actually be better than the fan timelines if they just used some internal consistency with regard to all the time traveling Link does in OoT. It would clear up a lot of plotholes regarding their time travel mechanics, and it wouldn't require any "what if?" scenario.All it would take is a bit of sprucing up some of the ALttP backstory to make everything fit right. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 2:39:00 PM #37:	Yeah....and that still doesn't make the left timeline non-canon. They all still exist simultaneously because that's what split timelines do. It's a multiverse. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball. http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598692] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Yeah....and that still doesn't make the left timeline non-canon.They all still exist simultaneously because that's what split timelines do. It's a multiverse. -- You have no time to ponder such questions, as Link has just grabbed a Smash Ball.http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMetalex 12/26/11 2:44:00 PM #38:	There was a consensus fan Zelda timeline? News to me! The simple fact here is that no Zelda timeline is going to make sense, but the more you split things up, the easier it is to have some semblance of consistency. <cite>BlackMetalex posted [p:598693] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> There was a consensus fan Zelda timeline? News to me! The simple fact here is that no Zelda timeline is going to make sense, but the more you split things up, the easier it is to have some semblance of consistency. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 2:45:00 PM #39:	From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #037 Yeah....and that still doesn't make the left timeline non-canon. It makes the left timeline non-canonical with regard to the other two, and it makes the other two non-canonical with the left. There are now two different Zelda canons for no good reason, one of which has a split timeline (for good reason). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598694] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: HeroDelTiempo17 \| #037Yeah....and that still doesn't make the left timeline non-canon.It makes the left timeline non-canonical with regard to the other two, and it makes the other two non-canonical with the left.There are now two different Zelda canons for no good reason, one of which has a split timeline (for good reason). -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 2:46:00 PM #40:	From: BlackMetalex \| #038 There was a consensus fan Zelda timeline? News to me! There was a consensus foundation. Everyone had different placings of the Four Swords Saga and the Oracles, but generally the rest all fell into place. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598695] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: BlackMetalex \| #038There was a consensus fan Zelda timeline? News to me!There was a consensus foundation. Everyone had different placings of the Four Swords Saga and the Oracles, but generally the rest all fell into place. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 12/26/11 2:53:00 PM #41:	From: JaKyL25 \| #039 It makes the left timeline non-canonical with regard to the other two, and it makes the other two non-canonical with the left. There are now two different Zelda canons for no good reason, one of which has a split timeline (for good reason). And I'm trying to say that it doesn't actually matter how each timeline came about. ALL of them are non-canonical with regard to each of the other two. None can occur simultaneously anyways, so why does it even matter? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:598696] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #039It makes the left timeline non-canonical with regard to the other two, and it makes the other two non-canonical with the left.There are now two different Zelda canons for no good reason, one of which has a split timeline (for good reason).And I'm trying to say that it doesn't actually matter how each timeline came about. ALL of them are non-canonical with regard to each of the other two. None can occur simultaneously anyways, so why does it even matter? -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/26/11 3:00:00 PM #42:	It doesn't matter with regard to enjoying the games or the series. This is just fun debate. The middle timeline and the right timeline are absolutely canonical with each other, because they are both created by one singular action. Left is created by a completely disparate action that cannot co-exist with the other two. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:598697] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> It doesn't matter with regard to enjoying the games or the series. This is just fun debate.The middle timeline and the right timeline are absolutely canonical with each other, because they are both created by one singular action. Left is created by a completely disparate action that cannot co-exist with the other two. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_MSS_ 12/26/11 3:03:00 PM #43:	Still waiting for a current era LoZ... -- ~~~~MSS~~~~ <cite>_MSS_ posted [p:598698] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Still waiting for a current era LoZ... -- ~~~~MSS~~~~ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shadowwolf1015 12/26/11 3:09:00 PM #44:	LoZ: OoT Spoilers? Here's my theory... At the point that Link puts the sword into the stone he creates a second timeline (with some minor changes). First, what happens according to the point of view of an onlooker, Link puts the sword in, pulls it out, goes and does the Gerudo Valley crap, and then puts it back in (Assume the same will happen for other instances of link pulling out). Eventually Link will stop making love to the stone and just stay there frozen in time creating the first outcome where the hero of time is defeated. Think of this as a branching outcome, the hero doesn't travel in a straight line (like in DBZ or maybe BttF) ---<=== in the first outcome the hero never appears and Ganon just enjoys himself some delicious ruling. In the second outcome we have adult Link arriving from the temple, then he goes to destroy Ganon and this creates the third timeline, where Ganon is defeated. Once Ganon is defeated, Zelda is like dood I don't want you to get caught up in this crap so she sends Link back to be a child. This is where I get confused, the two timelines on the right should either happen simultaneously or merge later on. Either that or when she sends link back with the ocarina it creates the third branch leading to no merge. If Link had just put the sword back into the stone it would have created a paradox as there would be a period of time where Link would exist twice during the Ganon take over years. So basically the two splits occur when Link pulls the sword out and when Zelda sends Link back with the Ocarina. Resulting in nothing being contingent with a game over and each outcome will occur upon a successful game. -- Run, run, run, or you'll be well done! [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Shadowwolf1015 posted [p:598699] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> LoZ: OoT Spoilers?Here's my theory... At the point that Link puts the sword into the stone he creates a second timeline (with some minor changes). First, what happens according to the point of view of an onlooker, Link puts the sword in, pulls it out, goes and does the Gerudo Valley crap, and then puts it back in (Assume the same will happen for other instances of link pulling out). Eventually Link will stop making love to the stone and just stay there frozen in time creating the first outcome where the hero of time is defeated. Think of this as a branching outcome, the hero doesn't travel in a straight line (like in DBZ or maybe BttF) ---<=== in the first outcome the hero never appears and Ganon just enjoys himself some delicious ruling. In the second outcome we have adult Link arriving from the temple, then he goes to destroy Ganon and this creates the third timeline, where Ganon is defeated. Once Ganon is defeated, Zelda is like dood I don't want you to get caught up in this crap so she sends Link back to be a child. This is where I get confused, the two timelines on the right should either happen simultaneously or merge later on. Either that or when she sends link back with the ocarina it creates the third branch leading to no merge. If Link had just put the sword back into the stone it would have created a paradox as there would be a period of time where Link would exist twice during the Ganon take over years.So basically the two splits occur when Link pulls the sword out and when Zelda sends Link back with the Ocarina. Resulting in nothing being contingent with a game over and each outcome will occur upon a successful game. -- Run, run, run, or you'll be well done![NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 12/26/11 3:09:00 PM #45:	this is silly but the people who thought this was another split involving time travel were sillier, there were too many conflicts for that to be the case. this is still pretty ridiculous though seeing as zelda II and MM are the only games that have a game over that has any story to it, there was no indication that dying in OoT could be a canonical outcome...essentially what I see is that all of the "classic" zelda games are a big "what if" scenario, essentially within the zeldaverse the first four games never actually happened... <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:598700] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> this is silly but the people who thought this was another split involving time travel were sillier, there were too many conflicts for that to be the case. this is still pretty ridiculous though seeing as zelda II and MM are the only games that have a game over that has any story to it, there was no indication that dying in OoT could be a canonical outcome...essentially what I see is that all of the "classic" zelda games are a big "what if" scenario, essentially within the zeldaverse the first four games never actually happened... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 12/26/11 3:14:00 PM #46:	The Legend of Zelda: Modern Warfare -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:598701] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> The Legend of Zelda: Modern Warfare -- yE frE me Kweku Ananse Papa me:http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1508/masterplumgm3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackMetalex 12/26/11 3:15:00 PM #47:	Actually Link Canonically dies in OoT and the other two timelines are a big "what if" scenario where Link defeated Ganon. <cite>BlackMetalex posted [p:598702] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Actually Link Canonically dies in OoT and the other two timelines are a big "what if" scenario where Link defeated Ganon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
paerarru 12/26/11 6:28:00 PM #48:	I demand my fourth timeline! -- At least we got beat by a SuperNiceDog, 2011 Rivals Guru Champ! <cite>paerarru posted [p:598703] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> I demand my fourth timeline! -- At least we got beat by a SuperNiceDog, 2011 Rivals Guru Champ! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KJH 12/26/11 7:19:00 PM #49:	It's still dumb. I never cared about piecing together anything because it's pretty clear they never planned it as an overall thing, what with a million different lands all named the same, the same characters over generations, a million different backstories on how the world is formed or what gods/goddesses are involved, etc But it's just dumb to make absolutely everything revolve around OoT yet at the same time make the longest chain of games to be completely hinged on OoT... based off of something that literally never happens in the game. And those games also happen to be the entire foundation of the series too. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - Beruga Brawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 <cite>KJH posted [p:598704] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> It's still dumb.I never cared about piecing together anything because it's pretty clear they never planned it as an overall thing, what with a million different lands all named the same, the same characters over generations, a million different backstories on how the world is formed or what gods/goddesses are involved, etcBut it's just dumb to make absolutely everything revolve around OoT yet at the same time make the longest chain of games to be completely hinged on OoT... based off of something that literally never happens in the game. And those games also happen to be the entire foundation of the series too. -- I have no idea who you are, but I thank you for arousing me. - BerugaBrawl FC: 3823-8243-5663 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/26/11 7:31:00 PM #50:	Eh... I dunno, I guess they can justify LttP timeline happening if you've ever had a game over in OoT, and that's what happens. It's not that far of a stretch. Even if it is a bit needless. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:598705] in Update on ... [t:61467092]...</cite> <quote> Eh... I dunno, I guess they can justify LttP timeline happening if you've ever had a game over in OoT, and that's what happens. It's not that far of a stretch. Even if it is a bit needless. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2

Board 8 > Update on that Zelda timeline (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > Update on that Zelda timeline