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PostalDudesHere
12/18/11 10:52:00 PM
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I've lost all faith in the gaming community. how can 2 no-name pokemon trainers be beating the epic rivalry between cloud and sepheroth? those lame trainers don't even deserve to be in the same contest as the awesome FF7 duo. seriously kids, go play FF7 and culture yourselves.

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diebuster2
12/18/11 10:52:00 PM
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Not surprised. It's nintendoFAQS after all.

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MarvelousGerbil
12/18/11 10:53:00 PM
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They're not no named. Their names are Red and Blue.

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ShadowHalo17
12/18/11 10:54:00 PM
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Contests are a joke. It doesn't matter how popular the character is anymore, it's more about how tired people are of seeing the same characters win every time. Which leads to them getting a lot of anti-votes.

I like Link. I've always had a soft spot for him. But I ALWAYS vote against him, even if I hate the characters he's against because I'm just tired of seeing him win.

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diebuster2
12/18/11 10:56:00 PM
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Character Battles, Rivalry battles, Villain-only battles, it doesn't matter. At the end of the day, it all falls down to a popularity contest and that's it.

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AlecTrevelyan006
12/18/11 10:56:00 PM
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Well, they're beating Cloud, but not Sepheroth.

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Azp2k32
12/18/11 10:59:00 PM
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It's about popularity. Pokémon's gotten more popular over the years, FF7 hasn't.

Additionally, if we were to be speaking in terms of the quality of the actual rivalry, Cloud and Sephiroth are merely protagonist-antagonist in their relationship. Red/Blue are literally introduced to you as rivals and their rivalry is constantly present throughout the game as one of the driving points of the player's motivation to keep training.

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WiggumFan267
12/18/11 11:00:00 PM
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From: ShadowHalo17 | Posted: 12/19/2011 1:54:04 AM | #004
Contests are a joke. It doesn't matter how popular the character is anymore, it's more about how tired people are of seeing the same characters win every time. Which leads to them getting a lot of anti-votes.

I like Link. I've always had a soft spot for him. But I ALWAYS vote against him, even if I hate the characters he's against because I'm just tired of seeing him win.


Could be wrong here but I don't think THAT many people know "Link always wins" or similar.

Its been going so long its possible that number is like 50%+ of voters though.

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ShadowHalo17
12/18/11 11:03:00 PM
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From: WiggumFan267 | #008
Could be wrong here but I don't think THAT many people know "Link always wins" or similar.

Its been going so long its possible that number is like 50%+ of voters though.


Well I know, which is why he still always wins. But it applies more to those like Cloud and Mario, who are more likely to fall to joke characters or newer popular characters (like Red/Blue).

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thefire33
12/18/11 11:03:00 PM
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Pokemon owns FF7, dont be a crying little kid and stop crying about it.
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mothballs
12/19/11 1:02:00 AM
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lol people complain about popularity

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Dakkusu
12/19/11 1:14:00 AM
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Final Fantasy VII is the worst one out of all of them, and that includes 13's "let's walk forward to beat the game."
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Squareenixfreak
12/19/11 1:16:00 AM
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ShadowHalo17 Posted
"Contests are a joke. It doesn't matter how popular the character is anymore, it's more about how tired people are of seeing the same characters win every time. Which leads to them getting a lot of anti-votes.

I like Link. I've always had a soft spot for him. But I ALWAYS vote against him, even if I hate the characters he's against because I'm just tired of seeing him win."


exactly, same here voted against any champion winner in past (mostly square/nintendo character.. but eh im giving up on this contest for good. megaman deserve to win champion at least once :(

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ureinad
12/19/11 1:28:00 AM
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lets break it down

Games: FFVII: 14 years old (1 prequel which isnt even about cloud)
Pokemon: multiple generations (lost count how many games)

Other: FFVII: 1 movie
Pokemon: tons of movies and a long running TV show

Not really hard to see why Pokemon has a stronger fanbase now.

Sadly, Cloud/FFVII will always lose popularity with no new sequels, while Link will gain with each new game.
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MarvelousGerbil
12/19/11 1:32:00 AM
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ureinad posted...
lets break it down

Games: FFVII: 14 years old (1 prequel which isnt even about cloud)
Pokemon: multiple generations (lost count how many games)

Other: FFVII: 1 movie
Pokemon: tons of movies and a long running TV show

Not really hard to see why Pokemon has a stronger fanbase now.

Sadly, Cloud/FFVII will always lose popularity with no new sequels, while Link will gain with each new game.


If we're taking everything into consideration, Cloud and Sephy are playable in both Dissidia games and both have roles in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. Cloud is also a summon in Chain of Memories. Not that this competes with Pokemon's crapload of additional media, but it's enough to give them a boost as opposed to NOTHING over 14 years.

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1mnousa0
12/19/11 2:08:00 AM
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I don't want to play ff7 because that game look lame. Nintendo the best and that's why people vote for Nintendo characters not playstation lame characters. Yeah Nintendo take 1 2 and 3rd place
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LordClyde
12/19/11 3:35:00 AM
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Neosadus
12/19/11 4:30:00 AM
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MarvelousGerbil posted...
If we're taking everything into consideration, Cloud and Sephy are playable in both Dissidia games and both have roles in Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. Cloud is also a summon in Chain of Memories. Not that this competes with Pokemon's crapload of additional media, but it's enough to give them a boost as opposed to NOTHING over 14 years.

I'd say that 90-95% of Cloud's and Seph's character strength is still derived from FFVII. There's only been one FFVII for fourteen years. Which isn't even remotely comparable to other franchises (such as Zelda/Mario/etc.) that gets anywhere from 1-3 games per generation. On top of that even though Cloud/Seph gets in a few meaningless cameo's here an there, the same is true for all our other noble characters in this contest. So it's not like cloud/seph has a 1-up in that department. It is amazing these two characters are still as relevant as they are having only an outdated game and a non-mainstream cgi film that focused on them specifically.
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blakenick
12/19/11 4:59:00 AM
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I voted for them because of the characters they eventually came to represent, Ash and Gary. Ash's determination and positive outlook on life carried the Pokemon tv series through... 14 series? Even though they ended up on friendly terms, the rivalry obviously still exists.

Link and gannon have been battling it out ever since... well I don't remember that far back, it was when Gameboy didn't have any additional text in it's name and a B&W screen. According to the LoZ timeline, link and gannon have battled through different reincarnations, the hero and the villain reborn in an eternal struggle.

FF7 is a great game, however every single one of it's spin offs has been terrible. Dirge of Cerberus, Before Crisis and Advent Children were all terrible... Nice soundtracks, terrible gameplay and storylines.. For Cloud and Sephiroth to stand a chance in these contests they would need to appear as main characters in GOOD current gen games (thus having exposure to a larger portion of users), and Sephiroth or a reincarnation of himself would also need to exist. Since neither of these events is likely... sorry don't get your hopes up about Cloud's continued status as acharacter... A FF7 re-release may see a spike in his popularity... but it would only be temporary.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/19/11 5:04:00 AM
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Crisis Core was good!But I suspect they started going to the way of Crono.I mean remember the first contets?He beat MARIO!Mario!And Mario now is the 2nd strongest character while Crono is the weakest N9 member and loses to a lot of other characters.Now CT hadn't anything else while Clouderoth had a lot of appearences in other games and media but still.

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Lucky4815162342
12/19/11 5:11:00 AM
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Azp2k32 posted...
It's about popularity. Pokémon's gotten more popular over the years, FF7 hasn't.

Additionally, if we were to be speaking in terms of the quality of the actual rivalry, Cloud and Sephiroth are merely protagonist-antagonist in their relationship. Red/Blue are literally introduced to you as rivals and their rivalry is constantly present throughout the game as one of the driving points of the player's motivation to keep training.


You could make a mild argument that Cloud has some sort of rivalry of ambition with Sephiroth during the backstory, but not really. Cloud/Zack would be more of a rivalry, and even then, meh.

What's an actual rivalry in FFVII? I can really think of a good one.Tifa and Aeris... (for Cloud's affection), maybe.
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The_Djoker
12/19/11 5:15:00 AM
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There's isn't any maybe Vincent/Cloud on who is more badass but Cloud wins that by a mile. FF8 had a good rivalry with Squall / Seifer.

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Flareth
12/19/11 5:24:00 AM
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Azp2k32 posted...

Additionally, if we were to be speaking in terms of the quality of the actual rivalry, Cloud and Sephiroth are merely protagonist-antagonist in their relationship. Red/Blue are literally introduced to you as rivals and their rivalry is constantly present throughout the game as one of the driving points of the player's motivation to keep training.


This is why I voted for Red/Blue. =)

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SuperPokenerd
12/19/11 5:34:00 AM
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The characters from the better game are winning.
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thehutch13
12/19/11 6:02:00 AM
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1mnousa0 posted...
I don't want to play ff7 because that game look lame. Nintendo the best and that's why people vote for Nintendo characters not playstation lame characters. Yeah Nintendo take 1 2 and 3rd place

Wow it looks like somebody is console"ist" yeah i only have a wii but still i try and play games on all consoles and i REALLY wish they had better games for the wii but come on ff7 is legendary it's one of the best games of it's generation. I like pokemon don't get me wrong it's a good but cheesy rpg i really don't see how the heck "red and blue" made it as far as the did. It makes me sad to see a classic fall to a one track treasure hunt style game like pokemon.

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Aruaruu
12/19/11 6:05:00 AM
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Because Cloud thinks he is Zack. Zack is dead. Therefore Cloud thinks he is dead, Which he is. Sephiroth is losing because he sucks in general.

Done.

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Pale_Heart
12/19/11 6:18:00 AM
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I voted for the Pokemon Trainers because it's very rare to see these kinds of characters in the top 5. It's always the Zelda, Mario and FF7 games thats always on top but its a nice change to see something new.
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Cj_Blazer
12/19/11 6:23:00 AM
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thefire33 posted...
Pokemon owns FF7, dont be a crying little kid and stop crying about it.

Based on your reasoning, he's apprantly not the "crying little kid" here.
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The_Djoker
12/19/11 6:35:00 AM
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From: thefire33 | #010
Pokemon owns FF7, dont be a crying little kid and stop crying about it.




I wanna see this guys reaction when Cloud takes over. He probably won't say anything.

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Cj_Blazer
12/19/11 6:38:00 AM
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The_Djoker posted...
From: thefire33 | #010
Pokemon owns FF7, dont be a crying little kid and stop crying about it.


I wanna see this guys reaction when Cloud takes over. He probably won't say anything.


Lol, so do I! Cloud and S is really catching up! They might just pull it off!
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RainingMetal
12/19/11 7:08:00 AM
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Good riddance.

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neb555
12/19/11 7:23:00 AM
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I like pokemon don't get me wrong it's a good but cheesy rpg i really don't see how the heck "red and blue" made it as far as the did. It makes me sad to see a classic fall to a one track treasure hunt style game like pokemon.

You could honestly change the two games around in that reasoning and it'd look exactly the same. Pokemon is also a classic, FFVII is also a good and cheesy rpg, and neither can be described as a "track treasure hunt style game"

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Grand_Papillon
12/19/11 7:51:00 AM
#33:


I've lost all faith in the gaming community.

This seriously made you lose faith? Really? Never mind the fact that most people would rather play an FPS or a football game that gets rehashed every year and that their hands must be held with constant tutorials, but Pokémon Trainers actually beating Cloud and Sephiroth on a contest on a game site is what's causing you to lose faith in the gaming community?

how can 2 no-name pokemon trainers be beating the epic rivalry between cloud and sepheroth?

Oh I don't know, because two kids going at it aiming to be the very best happens to be a better concept of rivalrly than going against someone who turned his back on him?

Also, http://stopsay.in/epic

those lame trainers don't even deserve to be in the same contest as the awesome FF7 duo.

We're sorry that Pokémon isn't angsty enough for you, but it's a contest on gaming rivalrlies.

seriously kids, go play FF7 and culture yourselves.

I think this comment speaks for itself.

If this was a joke topic, well, good joke.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 7:51:00 AM
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or a football game that gets rehashed every year

There is nothing wrong with playing Sports games. That's like saying why do you watch Football when you could be wacthing a good Film instead.
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Catcher_Freeman
12/19/11 8:27:00 AM
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Cloud and Sephiroth are weakening, and there's no doubt Sephiroth is facing backlash from his win against MissingNo. last year.

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Safer Sephiroth 777
12/19/11 8:30:00 AM
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I like the typo in the title.

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UberPyro64
12/19/11 8:45:00 AM
#37:


Cloud and Sephiroth are winning now so stop complaining.
It's the Pokemon fans time to complain.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 8:49:00 AM
#38:


From: UberPyro64 | #037
Cloud and Sephiroth are winning now so stop complaining.
It's the Pokemon fans time to complain.


Don't say that, inb4 the **** storm.

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LinkLegend27
12/19/11 9:13:00 AM
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Why is the site even conducting this match in the first place?
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-LusterSoldier-
12/19/11 9:17:00 AM
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It's a bonus match. We needed this match because everyone is given a 24-hour break in order to make a pick for the final match in the battle challenge.

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Lionheart08
12/19/11 9:24:00 AM
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Honestly, if this was really a rivalry contest, then Blue and Red should've won.

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NejiHyuga900
12/19/11 9:25:00 AM
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Red vs. Blue are winning but it is a very tied up match (poll). I haven't seen a GameFAQs poll with two votes equally matched.

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swirIdude
12/19/11 9:43:00 AM
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01 – Should’ve banked.

Wait, this one doesn't work with an exhibition match. Dammit.

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shadosneko
12/19/11 9:47:00 AM
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From: blakenick | #019
Link and gannon have been battling it out ever since... well I don't remember that far back, it was when Gameboy didn't have any additional text in it's name and a B&W screen. According to the LoZ timeline, link and gannon have battled through different reincarnations, the hero and the villain reborn in an eternal struggle.


What in the world is this?

Gannon-banned imo

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lighty691
12/19/11 9:55:00 AM
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-LusterSoldier- posted...
It's a bonus match. We needed this match because everyone is given a 24-hour break in order to make a pick for the final match in the battle challenge.

Ha ha like Link isnt going to win by a landslide. People dont need 24 hours to decide, they were always going to make sure Link won no matter who entered. What a boring contest. Every man and their dog that entered the contest will have picked Link to win because, wait for it....

he wins everytime!

Boring. Boring. Boring.

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The_Djoker
12/19/11 9:56:00 AM
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From: Lionheart08 | #041
Honestly, if this was really a rivalry contest, then Blue and Red should've won.




The fact that this IS A RIVALRY contest means they are doing this damn friggin well. Noone predicted Trainers to do this well in the contest. And i agree...as a Rivalry the Pokemon are right up there.

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Danik
12/19/11 9:59:00 AM
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Cloud vs Sephirot is now winning the contest... is too close.
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_Regaro_
12/19/11 2:14:00 PM
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From: The_Djoker | #046
The fact that this IS A RIVALRY contest means they are doing this damn friggin well. Noone predicted Trainers to do this well in the contest. And i agree...as a Rivalry the Pokemon are right up there.


I predicted their path perfectly, actually. As far as this match goes, I expected pretty much this result but the other winner <_<


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