Board 8 > Phoenix Wright 2 is not making any sense *Case 2 spoilers*

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SubDeity
10/30/11 8:18:00 PM
#1:


-If Maya wasn't the killer, how were her prints on the gun and knife and not Mimi's? I suppose they could have wiped them and planted them, but that possibility was never explained.

-How did Mimi get them to reconstruct her face as Ini's? Did she grab her license at the wreck explicitly for this purpose, even though she was nearly dead from getting her face burned off?

-The clue where you have to present the outfit due to the lack of gunpowder burns was stupid.

-The over-reliance on spirit medium mumbo jumbo in this story opens a ton of holes. Couldn't Phoenix prove Ini was dead by having Pearl or Maya channel her spirit? Couldn't we channel the doctor and ask him what he saw? I could understand if the court were suspicious of all this, but they seemed to take it all at face value in this case.

-Considering that defendants seem to get away with changing their testimonies all the time, why didn't Mimi just act stupid and say she was wrong about the car's origin? It would be totally believable.

-Couldn't Morgan have just shot Maya and claimed the Spirit Severing Technique failed and she had to use self-defense against a still-violent spirit?

Still nothing as bad as "Ema Skye accidentally pushed somebody she thought was a serial killer into a statue and is therefore a MURDERER," though.

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:22:00 PM
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From: SubDeity | #001
I suppose they could have wiped them and planted them, but that possibility was never explained.


It doesn't really need to be explained because if she was setup, this is pretty self-explanatory.

why didn't Mimi just act stupid and say she was wrong about the car's origin? It would be totally believable.


Because it's the car's orientation that matters, not where it came from (although where it came from explains the car's orientation, of course), and the testimony came from that paper right after the accident.

-Couldn't Morgan have just shot Maya and claimed the Spirit Severing Technique failed and she had to use self-defense against a still-violent spirit?


Because apparently pleading justified self-defense would've ruined Maya's chances at becoming Master, so I doubt Morgan would've wanted to use the same excuse.

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SubDeity
10/30/11 8:23:00 PM
#3:


That all looks pretty harsh so maybe I should clarify that I still enjoy the game, aside from occasional incidents where the game won't let me make obvious arguments (it takes way too long for the matter of "three bullets fired, two heard" in 1-4 to come up) or requires strange logical leaps (a lot of 1-5's first day).

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:27:00 PM
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Well, there's nothing wrong with being critical with problems with the cases, obviously. I love the games to death, but there are still some things that bother me because I don't understand how it takes that long to get from Point A to Point B when Point B seemed self-evident from the get-go.

One thing that always confuses me about 2-2 are the medium costumes. Maya was obviously wearing one, and so was Mimi. Now apparently Maya's was the one they burned in the incinerator because the chamber key ended up there. That means the one Mimi was wearing during the channeling is the one that should've had the hole in it, but yet the hole doesn't show up in the picture Lotta takes.

I mean, unless Mimi managed to change the costumes at some point after she stabbed Grey but before he tried to shoot her, or she had already taken the chamber key for herself and simply forgot she had taken it when they put the costume on Maya or something.

Either way, that whole thing confuses me

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SubDeity
10/30/11 8:29:00 PM
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It doesn't really need to be explained because if she was setup, this is pretty self-explanatory.

Eh...sort of. Probably would have been nice to have a cross-examination of Morgan to reveal that. I mean, they'd have to unpack Maya, splash blood on her, wipe the prints off two weapons without putting more of their own on them, plant Maya's, and stow her again, all while Mimi gets out unseen and tosses her stuff.

Because it's the car's orientation that matters, not where it came from (although where it came from explains the car's orientation, of course), and the testimony came from that paper right after the accident.

But all we have to go on is that she left the right door, correct? If the car had a normal orientation, the hole wouldn't be there anymore.

Because apparently pleading justified self-defense would've ruined Maya's chances at becoming Master, so I doubt Morgan would've wanted to use the same excuse.

But Morgan was doing it for her daughter, not herself. Pearl comes out unscathed.

-Couldn't Morgan have just shot Maya and claimed the Spirit Severing Technique failed and she had to use self-defense against a still-violent spirit?


Because apparently pleading justified self-defense would've ruined Maya's chances at becoming Master, so I doubt Morgan would've wanted to use the same excuse.

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HeroDelTiempo17
10/30/11 8:31:00 PM
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From: SubDeity | #001
-The over-reliance on spirit medium mumbo jumbo in this story opens a ton of holes. Couldn't Phoenix prove Ini was dead by having Pearl or Maya channel her spirit? Couldn't we channel the doctor and ask him what he saw? I could understand if the court were suspicious of all this, but they seemed to take it all at face value in this case.


This was either sort of explained in the first game or will be later on. I can't remember when exactly it comes up.

But basically it's because of some shenanigans that happened in the past with spirit channelers in one of the past court cases...

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:32:00 PM
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From: SubDeity | #005
But all we have to go on is that she left the right door, correct? If the car had a normal orientation, the hole wouldn't be there anymore.


The point is that Mimi knows which side she got out of. The issue is whether she was the driver or the passenger.

But I don't think playing dumb would have worked because it was fairly obvious from her testimony during the cross-examination that she was knowledgeable about cars.

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:33:00 PM
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From: HeroDelTiempo17 | #006
This was either sort of explained in the first game or will be later on. I can't remember when exactly it comes up.

But basically it's because of some shenanigans that happened in the past with spirit channelers in one of the past court cases...


This is true, too, I suppose. Just because you channel a spirit and ask it a question doesn't mean it will automatically give truthful testimony. That was the issue with DL-6.

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SubDeity
10/30/11 8:33:00 PM
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Yeah, the flawed spirit medium was a point in 1-4, so I could understand the court being suspicious of them. However, my point is that in 2-2 they seem to completely accept their legitimacy (since the way mediums "work" is an aspect of the prosecution's evidence).

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:36:00 PM
#10:


While the photo Franny took at the detention center was not legal evidence, her showing the picture basically influenced the Judge into accepting the idea as legitimate because that person Phoenix was talking to had to be Maya Fey, but yet it didn't look like her.

The Judge was reluctant to accept it until he saw that picture.

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SubDeity
10/30/11 8:38:00 PM
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Sure, but once the Judge did see it, shouldn't it be open season for medium influence?

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 8:38:00 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean.

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WazzupGenius00
10/30/11 8:47:00 PM
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There's a difference between the court accepting that the person was channeling a spirit, and the court accepting spirit-channeled testimony as admissable evidence.

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SubDeity
10/30/11 9:05:00 PM
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Couldn't spirit testimony just be treated the same as all other eyewitness testimony?

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Biolizard28
10/30/11 9:07:00 PM
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If you're having trouble wrapping your head around this case, you'll never survive this game.

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 9:07:00 PM
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From: SubDeity | #014
Couldn't spirit testimony just be treated the same as all other eyewitness testimony?


It could and would.

Hence why it's not an end-all, be-all solution.

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SubDeity
10/30/11 9:18:00 PM
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But the point is, it could be used, and is never even thought of or considered.

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LeonhartFour
10/30/11 9:19:00 PM
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Probably because it's a can of worms best left unopened.

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