Board 8 > The winner of the Absolute Best Game Ever contest is...Ever17!

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voltch 10/21/11 8:51:00 AM #151:	The whole point of this contest was that people had ya know played most of the damn games? They've played the same games a lot of other people have and just liked Ever 17 more. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460342] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> The whole point of this contest was that people had ya know played most of the damn games?They've played the same games a lot of other people have and just liked Ever 17 more. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 8:52:00 AM #152:	*neonreaper posted...* Lopen posted... Well to be fair the game that got the 3 votes that advanced wasn't the real vote drainer, since it got 15 against the more played MGS3 I don't really agree with what you say, given that both games were vote drains in the match I brought up. And on one hand, I see it as an issue to have good votals yet a 3-3 tie in the semis. On the other, I think it speaks to the fact that people were pretty honest, which is good for this contest structure. While it's nice to have super high votals, it isn't as important in this kind of contest. The most important thing is that the fans of both games show up to vote. Sometimes you get complete fanbase disparity where both games have a decent playrate but few people have played both, but that's just the nature of the contest. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460343] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> neonreaper posted...Lopen posted...Well to be fair the game that got the 3 votes that advanced wasn't the real vote drainer, since it got 15 against the more played MGS3I don't really agree with what you say, given that both games were vote drains in the match I brought up. And on one hand, I see it as an issue to have good votals yet a 3-3 tie in the semis. On the other, I think it speaks to the fact that people were pretty honest, which is good for this contest structure.While it's nice to have super high votals, it isn't as important in this kind of contest. The most important thing is that the fans of both games show up to vote. Sometimes you get complete fanbase disparity where both games have a decent playrate but few people have played both, but that's just the nature of the contest. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Haguile 10/21/11 8:55:00 AM #153:	From: Lightning Strikes \| Posted: 10/21/2011 11:40:24 AM \| #133 The people who tend to play cult games have a very different set of biases to the general public Everyone is biased to a degree. A game appeals to those who like its genre and in this contest if the fans of that genre like the way the game followed through with its genre enough then they are going to vote for it. Not all VNs made it very far, indicating that their biases are not as terrible as you argue. Would Farming Simulator 2011 win because of people biased to vote it?(http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-farming-simulator-2011/17-3554/) Not...really. Even people who are biased towards it because, let's say they are farmers who like bad games, would still vote for other games over it because the bias they have for farming games is not enough to overcome the sheer difference between the two. You made some valid points and I get where you are coming from, but we disagree on this: you are demonizing being "biased" a bit too much. Everyone is biased towards one genre. Not all visual novel fans are biased to the point where their votes don't even matter, as proven by the bracket. The contest isn't perfect, I agree, but the only perfect way to run a contest would be to lock all voters inside a chamber, force them to play both games before voting, then discount all votes for "C)Suicide." I think the result is pretty fair considering Ever17 apparently appealed to fans of one genre in the best way it could and the fans were large enough in number to make it matter. I never read/played it, and frankly didn't like 999 that much. But I'm just not seeing the complaints everyone else is making. (Not meaning for the post to come off as confrontational, so sorry if it does) <cite>Haguile posted [p:460344] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: Lightning Strikes \| Posted: 10/21/2011 11:40:24 AM \| #133The people who tend to play cult games have a very different set of biases to the general publicEveryone is biased to a degree. A game appeals to those who like its genre and in this contest if the fans of that genre like the way the game followed through with its genre enough then they are going to vote for it.Not all VNs made it very far, indicating that their biases are not as terrible as you argue. Would Farming Simulator 2011 win because of people biased to vote it?(http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-farming-simulator-2011/17-3554/) Not...really. Even people who are biased towards it because, let's say they are farmers who like bad games, would still vote for other games over it because the bias they have for farming games is not enough to overcome the sheer difference between the two. You made some valid points and I get where you are coming from, but we disagree on this: you are demonizing being "biased" a bit too much. Everyone is biased towards one genre. Not all visual novel fans are biased to the point where their votes don't even matter, as proven by the bracket. The contest isn't perfect, I agree, but the only perfect way to run a contest would be to lock all voters inside a chamber, force them to play both games before voting, then discount all votes for "C)Suicide." I think the result is pretty fair considering Ever17 apparently appealed to fans of one genre in the best way it could and the fans were large enough in number to make it matter. I never read/played it, and frankly didn't like 999 that much. But I'm just not seeing the complaints everyone else is making. (Not meaning for the post to come off as confrontational, so sorry if it does) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 8:59:00 AM #154:	KP, would you be terribly offended if I created an Inverse Absolute Best Game Ever contest? Where the cardinal rule of this contest is inversed? It's not meant as a slight against you, I'm just bored right now and this sounds like a fun idea. In fact I was about to submit the topic, but then I realized you might take it as an insult. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460345] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> KP, would you be terribly offended if I created an Inverse Absolute Best Game Ever contest? Where the cardinal rule of this contest is inversed?It's not meant as a slight against you, I'm just bored right now and this sounds like a fun idea. In fact I was about to submit the topic, but then I realized you might take it as an insult. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 10/21/11 8:59:00 AM #155:	From: Rad Link 5 \| #150 I think the difference here is that Phoenix Wright is challenging your ability to solve puzzles and find contradictions, where as in fate/stay night, you are just picking an option that will take you to different endings. fate/stay night isn't providing you a challenge, and while there are bad endings, it's not really the same as a game over since you're not getting them for having failed a puzzle or something. Precisely. Phoenix Wright is actually presenting you a challenge. It gives you a situation and you need to hammer out the details, work towards the truth, etc. It is not any more possible to be "good" at Ace Attorney than any visual novel, but that's irrelevant. There's more involvement in trying to find out where the contradiction lies in a witness's testimony than there is deciding whether or not it's a good idea to f*** generic anime chick #58 today to get the bad ending. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:460346] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: Rad Link 5 \| #150I think the difference here is that Phoenix Wright is challenging your ability to solve puzzles and find contradictions, where as in fate/stay night, you are just picking an option that will take you to different endings. fate/stay night isn't providing you a challenge, and while there are bad endings, it's not really the same as a game over since you're not getting them for having failed a puzzle or something.Precisely.Phoenix Wright is actually presenting you a challenge. It gives you a situation and you need to hammer out the details, work towards the truth, etc. It is not any more possible to be "good" at Ace Attorney than any visual novel, but that's irrelevant. There's more involvement in trying to find out where the contradiction lies in a witness's testimony than there is deciding whether or not it's a good idea to f*** generic anime chick #58 today to get the bad ending. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:00:00 AM #156:	There's nothing wrong with PW being called a VN. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460347] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> There's nothing wrong with PW being called a VN. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 10/21/11 9:02:00 AM #157:	From: voltch \| #156 There's nothing wrong with PW being called a VN. Except that it's a total falsehood. Unless you condone being a liar. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:460348] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #156There's nothing wrong with PW being called a VN.Except that it's a total falsehood.Unless you condone being a liar. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:04:00 AM #158:	As long as it isn't another Save My topic, I'm fine with any kind of contest! Thanks for asking first, though. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460349] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> As long as it isn't another Save My topic, I'm fine with any kind of contest! Thanks for asking first, though. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 10/21/11 9:04:00 AM #159:	Phoenix Wright is a visual novel with adventure game elements I honestly don't see why it's so difficult to accept that -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:460350] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Phoenix Wright is a visual novel with adventure game elementsI honestly don't see why it's so difficult to accept that -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:06:00 AM #160:	Yup, once you play a couple of VNs PW just starts looking more and more similar to those types of games. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460351] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Yup, once you play a couple of VNs PW just starts looking more and more similar to those types of games. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:06:00 AM #161:	Actually, Bio, Umineko describes exactly what you said. While there's no choices to be made, the games constantly encourages you to solve the mystery, slowly giving you clues and giving you an evidence file of sorts that you can look at. Oftentimes it feels like Phoenix Wright. There's not tangible user interaction, but it encourages you to figure it out all the same. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460352] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Actually, Bio, Umineko describes exactly what you said. While there's no choices to be made, the games constantly encourages you to solve the mystery, slowly giving you clues and giving you an evidence file of sorts that you can look at. Oftentimes it feels like Phoenix Wright. There's not tangible user interaction, but it encourages you to figure it out all the same. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:08:00 AM #162:	Dread of the grave sounds like PW music. But the best part of this contest is that there is simply put, no way LMS could have played Ever 17! Mission accomplished imo. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460353] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Dread of the grave sounds like PW music.But the best part of this contest is that there is simply put, no way LMS could have played Ever 17!Mission accomplished imo. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Biolizard28 10/21/11 9:11:00 AM #163:	From: KamikazePotato \| #161 There's not tangible user interaction Then it's not a game. Simple. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>Biolizard28 posted [p:460354] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: KamikazePotato \| #161There's not tangible user interactionThen it's not a game.Simple. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 10/21/11 9:11:00 AM #164:	Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the bias is going to make an absolute difference, but it is still a factor. Yes, not every VN did as well as Ever17. However, I do still maintain that the group voting in their matches is not as diverse as the ones in others, for obvious reasons. How many people who aren't hardcore VN fans do you think would have played any of the three straight VNs? Not many. On the other hand, you'd have a lot of people who aren't super dedicated fans of other genres still playing their games. If the same thing applied to VNs, you can bet they'd do worse overall. Just for the record this also applies in theory for other things, but VNs are certainly the best example. Really Ever17 was only the Absolute Best Game according to VN fans. Oh, and if you look, the other two straight VNs did really well for themselves. One narowly lost to a finalist, and the other narrowly lost to a game that lost to the entrant that tied the winner. Also KP, please stop massively and deliberately misinterpreting my arguments. I do agree with the idea behind the contest, but there's a flaw in this case. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:460355] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the bias is going to make an absolute difference, but it is still a factor. Yes, not every VN did as well as Ever17. However, I do still maintain that the group voting in their matches is not as diverse as the ones in others, for obvious reasons. How many people who aren't hardcore VN fans do you think would have played any of the three straight VNs? Not many. On the other hand, you'd have a lot of people who aren't super dedicated fans of other genres still playing their games. If the same thing applied to VNs, you can bet they'd do worse overall. Just for the record this also applies in theory for other things, but VNs are certainly the best example. Really Ever17 was only the Absolute Best Game according to VN fans.Oh, and if you look, the other two straight VNs did really well for themselves. One narowly lost to a finalist, and the other narrowly lost to a game that lost to the entrant that tied the winner.Also KP, please stop massively and deliberately misinterpreting my arguments. I do agree with the idea behind the contest, but there's a flaw in this case. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:18:00 AM #165:	Except your argument is directly contradicted by the actual contest. No VN made it past Round 3. MGS3 beat a VN on the way to the finals. Ever17 almost lost 3 times. There are also a decent amount of 'random' people who have played VNs that aren't dedicated fans of the genre, and they often voted in this contest. Meanwhile, two Shin Megami Tensei games made Round 5. Is anyone complaining about them, and calling their fanbase biased? Of course not. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460356] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Except your argument is directly contradicted by the actual contest. No VN made it past Round 3. MGS3 beat a VN on the way to the finals. Ever17 almost lost 3 times. There are also a decent amount of 'random' people who have played VNs that aren't dedicated fans of the genre, and they often voted in this contest.Meanwhile, two Shin Megami Tensei games made Round 5. Is anyone complaining about them, and calling their fanbase biased? Of course not. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 10/21/11 9:19:00 AM #166:	*th3l3fty posted...* Phoenix Wright is a visual novel with adventure game elements I honestly don't see why it's so difficult to accept that Nah. I've played/read visual novels, and Phoenix Wright is very different. It's closer to Zork than Fate/Stay Night. The emphasis is more on the puzzle solving, controlling the player character, and other physical input than most VNs, which offer about as much interactivity as a CYOA book. Yes, it has some things in common with VNs, but I would say that your statement is the wrong way around. Now, say 999, is a visual novel. It is also an adventure game, however. I see that to visual novels as Heavy Rain is to films, and Phoenix Wright would be to visual novels as Metal Gear Solid is to films. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:460357] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> th3l3fty posted...Phoenix Wright is a visual novel with adventure game elementsI honestly don't see why it's so difficult to accept thatNah. I've played/read visual novels, and Phoenix Wright is very different. It's closer to Zork than Fate/Stay Night. The emphasis is more on the puzzle solving, controlling the player character, and other physical input than most VNs, which offer about as much interactivity as a CYOA book. Yes, it has some things in common with VNs, but I would say that your statement is the wrong way around.Now, say 999, is a visual novel. It is also an adventure game, however. I see that to visual novels as Heavy Rain is to films, and Phoenix Wright would be to visual novels as Metal Gear Solid is to films. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:20:00 AM #167:	*Biolizard28 posted...* From: KamikazePotato \| #161 There's not tangible user interaction Then it's not a game. Simple. You just spent a post explaining how player involvement is more important than the act of clicking stuff. You even called it irrelevant. It is not any more possible to be "good" at Ace Attorney than any visual novel, but that's irrelevant So which is it? Player immersion, or pressing buttons? -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460358] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Biolizard28 posted...From: KamikazePotato \| #161There's not tangible user interactionThen it's not a game.Simple.You just spent a post explaining how player involvement is more important than the act of clicking stuff. You even called it irrelevant.It is not any more possible to be "good" at Ace Attorney than any visual novel, but that's irrelevantSo which is it? Player immersion, or pressing buttons? -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 10/21/11 9:22:00 AM #168:	see, you're going by a narrow definition of "visual novel" - just because most VNs can be perceived as glorified CYOAs doesn't mean all visual novels are like that -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -tranny I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:460359] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> see, you're going by a narrow definition of "visual novel" - just because most VNs can be perceived as glorified CYOAs doesn't mean all visual novels are like that -- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -trannyI have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:22:00 AM #169:	Fate/stay night 7 / 8 / 12 / 2 / 10 Metal Gear Solid 3 Metal Gear Solid 3 4 / 15 / 7 / 18 / 8 Ever17 -the out of infinity- You seriously cannot look at that sort of result and claim that VN fans are any more biased than any other voting group. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460360] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Fate/stay night7 / 8 / 12 / 2 / 10Metal Gear Solid 3Metal Gear Solid 34 / 15 / 7 / 18 / 8Ever17 -the out of infinity-You seriously cannot look at that sort of result and claim that VN fans are any more biased than any other voting group. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mac Arrowny 10/21/11 9:22:00 AM #170:	From: Lightning Strikes \| #166 Nah. I've played/read visual novels, and Phoenix Wright is very different. It's closer to Zork than Fate/Stay Night. The emphasis is more on the puzzle solving, controlling the player character, and other physical input than most VNs, which offer about as much interactivity as a CYOA book. Yes, it has some things in common with VNs, but I would say that your statement is the wrong way around. There's other VNs with the same format as Phoenix Wright, such as YU-NO and EVE: Burst Error. And VNs with even more gameplay, like Sengoku Rance and Big Bang Age. Genres don't have to be confined to a very small number of games. -- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. <cite>Mac Arrowny posted [p:460361] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: Lightning Strikes \| #166Nah. I've played/read visual novels, and Phoenix Wright is very different. It's closer to Zork than Fate/Stay Night. The emphasis is more on the puzzle solving, controlling the player character, and other physical input than most VNs, which offer about as much interactivity as a CYOA book. Yes, it has some things in common with VNs, but I would say that your statement is the wrong way around.There's other VNs with the same format as Phoenix Wright, such as YU-NO and EVE: Burst Error. And VNs with even more gameplay, like Sengoku Rance and Big Bang Age. Genres don't have to be confined to a very small number of games. -- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:24:00 AM #171:	Sengoku Rance, I'd vote against than VN/SRPG every round. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460362] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Sengoku Rance, I'd vote against than VN/SRPG every round. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 10/21/11 9:24:00 AM #172:	*KamikazePotato posted...* Except your argument is directly contradicted by the actual contest. No VN made it past Round 3. MGS3 beat a VN on the way to the finals. Ever17 almost lost 3 times. There are also a decent amount of 'random' people who have played VNs that aren't dedicated fans of the genre, and they often voted in this contest. Meanwhile, two Shin Megami Tensei games made Round 5. Is anyone complaining about them, and calling their fanbase biased? Of course not. Man, read my last post. And while non-VN fans may have voted in the contest, how many do you think voted in the VN matches? Do you think its a coincidence those matches (among others) had massively low votes? As for your second point... I don't see why not, maybe they are! Of course the main reason there's not as much complaint about them is because they're games. But my points may apply to them just as much as VNs. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:460363] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> KamikazePotato posted...Except your argument is directly contradicted by the actual contest. No VN made it past Round 3. MGS3 beat a VN on the way to the finals. Ever17 almost lost 3 times. There are also a decent amount of 'random' people who have played VNs that aren't dedicated fans of the genre, and they often voted in this contest.Meanwhile, two Shin Megami Tensei games made Round 5. Is anyone complaining about them, and calling their fanbase biased? Of course not.Man, read my last post. And while non-VN fans may have voted in the contest, how many do you think voted in the VN matches? Do you think its a coincidence those matches (among others) had massively low votes?As for your second point... I don't see why not, maybe they are!Of course the main reason there's not as much complaint about them is because they're games. But my points may apply to them just as much as VNs. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AfroSquirrel 10/21/11 9:25:00 AM #173:	I liked the format of this contest, even if I didn't participate much. I like the result as well. -- Demons run... when a good man goes to war <cite>AfroSquirrel posted [p:460364] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> I liked the format of this contest, even if I didn't participate much.I like the result as well. -- Demons run... when a good man goes to war </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Regaro_Ukiera 10/21/11 9:25:00 AM #174:	From: voltch \| #162 Dread of the grave sounds like PW music. But the best part of this contest is that there is simply put, no way LMS could have played Ever 17! Mission accomplished imo. So where's the "LMS plays Ever17" topic <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png <cite>Regaro_Ukiera posted [p:460365] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #162Dread of the grave sounds like PW music.But the best part of this contest is that there is simply put, no way LMS could have played Ever 17!Mission accomplished imo.So where's the "LMS plays Ever17" topic <_< -- http://img.imgcake.com/RegaroUlquiorrapngse.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:25:00 AM #175:	The disagreement here is coming from the broadened used of the term "Visual Novel" by Visual Novel fans. They've expanded the phrase to include anything narration-heavy. But the whole reason the genre was originally being referred to as "Visual Novels" instead of "Adventure Games" was that people felt they couldn't really be called "games," right? Which makes the whole thing a mess now when actual games are being called Visual Novels. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460366] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> The disagreement here is coming from the broadened used of the term "Visual Novel" by Visual Novel fans.They've expanded the phrase to include anything narration-heavy.But the whole reason the genre was originally being referred to as "Visual Novels" instead of "Adventure Games" was that people felt they couldn't really be called "games," right? Which makes the whole thing a mess now when actual games are being called Visual Novels. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Strikes 10/21/11 9:26:00 AM #176:	Okay Now we're just getting into semantics. -- Something something something ^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig <cite>Lightning Strikes posted [p:460367] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> OkayNow we're just getting into semantics. -- Something something something^Poorly disguised anti-caps sig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:27:00 AM #177:	Visual Novels had consistently good votals throughout the entire contest. They drew in as many people as most of the field did. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460368] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Visual Novels had consistently good votals throughout the entire contest. They drew in as many people as most of the field did. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:27:00 AM #178:	genre is evolving, thats always a good thing. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460369] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> genre is evolving, thats always a good thing. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:31:00 AM #179:	From: voltch \| #178 genre is evolving, thats always a good thing. They're evolving into Adventure Games. Why can't we just call the evolved ones Adventure Games? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460370] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #178genre is evolving, thats always a good thing.They're evolving into Adventure Games.Why can't we just call the evolved ones Adventure Games? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 10/21/11 9:31:00 AM #180:	Smt games going far no problems there! No problems with vns either. And really font get how some don't understand that vns as a genre don't need to just be text, the same way rpgs don't have to be d&d. There's a ton of diversity and it can go into multiple genres- shmups, rpgs, action games, strategy games, adventure games, etc. The last two being the most popular hybrids. Or it can be straight text. But like how wizardry is an rpg yet so is ys or monster hunter, pw is a vn to umineko, which is the most extreme case you can get, and next would be your fates, saya, and ever17. No idea what's hard to get on that. Genres evolve and mix, congrats to learning that. Next week go argue which one super metroid is. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:460371] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Smt games going far no problems there! No problems with vns either. And really font get how some don't understand that vns as a genre don't need to just be text, the same way rpgs don't have to be d&d. There's a ton of diversity and it can go into multiple genres- shmups, rpgs, action games, strategy games, adventure games, etc. The last two being the most popular hybrids. Or it can be straight text. But like how wizardry is an rpg yet so is ys or monster hunter, pw is a vn to umineko, which is the most extreme case you can get, and next would be your fates, saya, and ever17. No idea what's hard to get on that. Genres evolve and mix, congrats to learning that. Next week go argue which one super metroid is. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:33:00 AM #181:	nah, they're more hybrid games than anytthing. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460372] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> nah, they're more hybrid games than anytthing. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 10/21/11 9:33:00 AM #182:	*KamikazePotato posted...* While it's nice to have super high votals, it isn't as important in this kind of contest. The most important thing is that the fans of both games show up to vote. Sometimes you get complete fanbase disparity where both games have a decent playrate but few people have played both, but that's just the nature of the contest. Yeah I think that's all the right way of looking at it. I think the tie-breaker in such a match is the only thing I might look at fixing - one of your semi-final matches was essentially decided by uninformed voters. Not as an indication of any real failing of the contest, but something to think about anyway. -- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:460373] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> KamikazePotato posted...While it's nice to have super high votals, it isn't as important in this kind of contest. The most important thing is that the fans of both games show up to vote. Sometimes you get complete fanbase disparity where both games have a decent playrate but few people have played both, but that's just the nature of the contest.Yeah I think that's all the right way of looking at it. I think the tie-breaker in such a match is the only thing I might look at fixing - one of your semi-final matches was essentially decided by uninformed voters. Not as an indication of any real failing of the contest, but something to think about anyway. -- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter?Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:33:00 AM #183:	I would call Adventure Games a different genre from VNs. Adventure games are far more open-ended, and are more about going around and trying random items you find on pieces of environment. Even the ones like Grim Fandango are much less character/story driven than VNs. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460374] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> I would call Adventure Games a different genre from VNs. Adventure games are far more open-ended, and are more about going around and trying random items you find on pieces of environment. Even the ones like Grim Fandango are much less character/story driven than VNs. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:34:00 AM #184:	Man, if Grim Fandango didn't keep crashing on me I'd vote for it more often. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460375] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Man, if Grim Fandango didn't keep crashing on me I'd vote for it more often. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:36:00 AM #185:	From: voltch \| #184 Man, if Grim Fandango didn't keep crashing on me I'd vote for it more often. Grim Fandango crashed on me more than every other game I've ever played combined. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460376] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: voltch \| #184Man, if Grim Fandango didn't keep crashing on me I'd vote for it more often.Grim Fandango crashed on me more than every other game I've ever played combined. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:37:00 AM #186:	I sort of considered the tiebreaker rule a balancing act, as obscure games do have somewhat of an advantage in this contest (there's a reason 9/10 of Nintendo games were eliminated i Round 1). But the rule is open to change; if people don't like it, we'll find something better. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460377] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> I sort of considered the tiebreaker rule a balancing act, as obscure games do have somewhat of an advantage in this contest (there's a reason 9/10 of Nintendo games were eliminated i Round 1). But the rule is open to change; if people don't like it, we'll find something better. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:37:00 AM #187:	It's a testament to how good Grim Fandango was that I stuck with it for hours despite it glitching out on me literally every 5 minutes. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460378] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> It's a testament to how good Grim Fandango was that I stuck with it for hours despite it glitching out on me literally every 5 minutes. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:40:00 AM #188:	still fairly earlyish into it, but man there are some mean puzzles. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460379] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> still fairly earlyish into it, but man there are some mean puzzles. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Utility Man 10/21/11 9:40:00 AM #189:	From: Lightning Strikes \| #164 Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the bias is going to make an absolute difference, but it is still a factor. Yes, not every VN did as well as Ever17. However, I do still maintain that the group voting in their matches is not as diverse as the ones in others, for obvious reasons. How many people who aren't hardcore VN fans do you think would have played any of the three straight VNs? Not many. On the other hand, you'd have a lot of people who aren't super dedicated fans of other genres still playing their games. If the same thing applied to VNs, you can bet they'd do worse overall. Just for the record this also applies in theory for other things, but VNs are certainly the best example. Really Ever17 was only the Absolute Best Game according to VN fans. Well that pretty much sums up why I didn't bother voting. I knew a VN would win it from the start, though I was wrong about which one. I seriously doubt it won legitimately either. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. <cite>The Utility Man posted [p:460380] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: Lightning Strikes \| #164Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the bias is going to make an absolute difference, but it is still a factor. Yes, not every VN did as well as Ever17. However, I do still maintain that the group voting in their matches is not as diverse as the ones in others, for obvious reasons. How many people who aren't hardcore VN fans do you think would have played any of the three straight VNs? Not many. On the other hand, you'd have a lot of people who aren't super dedicated fans of other genres still playing their games. If the same thing applied to VNs, you can bet they'd do worse overall. Just for the record this also applies in theory for other things, but VNs are certainly the best example. Really Ever17 was only the Absolute Best Game according to VN fans.Well that pretty much sums up why I didn't bother voting. I knew a VN would win it from the start, though I was wrong about which one. I seriously doubt it won legitimately either. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:42:00 AM #190:	From: KamikazePotato \| #183 Adventure games are far more open-ended, and are more about going around and trying random items you find on pieces of environment. Sounds like Phoenix Wright. Even the ones like Grim Fandango are much less character/story driven than VNs. That's probably my biggest problem with "visual novels can be interactive." It starts getting to the point where "if I liked the story/characters more than the gameplay, it was a visual novel. If not, adventure game." And everyone is going to have a different opinion on which they liked more. Anyway, may I suggest votes from people who haven't played both only count for half? Weight votes for people who've played both? There's no exact science to figuring out what opinion is the best, but that seems like a way to keep more people satisfied. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460381] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: KamikazePotato \| #183Adventure games are far more open-ended, and are more about going around and trying random items you find on pieces of environment.Sounds like Phoenix Wright.Even the ones like Grim Fandango are much less character/story driven than VNs.That's probably my biggest problem with "visual novels can be interactive." It starts getting to the point where "if I liked the story/characters more than the gameplay, it was a visual novel. If not, adventure game." And everyone is going to have a different opinion on which they liked more.Anyway, may I suggest votes from people who haven't played both only count for half? Weight votes for people who've played both? There's no exact science to figuring out what opinion is the best, but that seems like a way to keep more people satisfied. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 10/21/11 9:44:00 AM #191:	Can we plz rig the contest so Devil Survivor wins. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War <cite>voltch posted [p:460382] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Can we plz rig the contest so Devil Survivor wins. -- Vote for this guy in every contest: War </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:45:00 AM #192:	Not even my favorite SMT. Can we rig it so that the elite eight are all SMT games? Maybe even the sweet sixteen? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460383] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Not even my favorite SMT.Can we rig it so that the elite eight are all SMT games? Maybe even the sweet sixteen? -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:46:00 AM #193:	That defeats the point of the contest, really. The tiebreaker rule was also added so that people who haven't played one game can still, in some small way, influence the outcome. And a good number of matches were decided by tiebreakers. But weighting votes goes too far. If some people don't like it, then they don't have to participate - and honestly, literally every person in this topic complaining about the contest/results was someone who never voted in it. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460384] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> That defeats the point of the contest, really. The tiebreaker rule was also added so that people who haven't played one game can still, in some small way, influence the outcome. And a good number of matches were decided by tiebreakers. But weighting votes goes too far. If some people don't like it, then they don't have to participate - and honestly, literally every person in this topic complaining about the contest/results was someone who never voted in it. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rad Link 5 10/21/11 9:48:00 AM #194:	In all honesty, the extreme exclusivity the rule created is why so many people never voted. Even when matches that they could vote in came around, they'd probably not even been following the contest. It's your contest; run it how you want. But you said the rule was open for change so I just offered an alternate solution. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Police http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A <cite>Rad Link 5 posted [p:460385] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> In all honesty, the extreme exclusivity the rule created is why so many people never voted. Even when matches that they could vote in came around, they'd probably not even been following the contest.It's your contest; run it how you want. But you said the rule was open for change so I just offered an alternate solution. -- [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] Ace Detective in Sir Charles's Policehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkOj5DAJu2A </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Utility Man 10/21/11 9:51:00 AM #196:	Well I for one can say I didn't like the idea of the contest, which I mentioned at the start. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. <cite>The Utility Man posted [p:460387] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Well I for one can say I didn't like the idea of the contest, which I mentioned at the start. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KamikazePotato 10/21/11 9:52:00 AM #198:	Matches usually got at least 35 votes a day. That's not on the level of many contests here, but it doesn't need to be. The spirit of the contest was that fans of games would vote for the games they liked when they showed up. If someone isn't an every day voter, that's okay, as long as they show up on the days when they should. If they don't, that's a shame, but keeping the contest results fair is more important than me being happy over big votals numbers. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:460389] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> Matches usually got at least 35 votes a day. That's not on the level of many contests here, but it doesn't need to be. The spirit of the contest was that fans of games would vote for the games they liked when they showed up. If someone isn't an every day voter, that's okay, as long as they show up on the days when they should. If they don't, that's a shame, but keeping the contest results fair is more important than me being happy over big votals numbers. -- Black Turtle did a pretty good job. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/21/11 9:53:00 AM #199:	You know it's a bad topic when Wanglicious is the one that's making the most sense! -- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:460390] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> You know it's a bad topic when Wanglicious is the one that's making the most sense! -- No problem!This is a cute and pop genocide of love! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Utility Man 10/21/11 9:53:00 AM #200:	From: Ed Bellis \| #197 And I for one can say that I don't care what you think! Well your little joke doesn't work for me. Unlike the people who actually apply to it, I knew this was going to turn out poorly. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. <cite>The Utility Man posted [p:460391] in The winner... [t:60716380]...</cite> <quote> From: Ed Bellis \| #197And I for one can say that I don't care what you think!Well your little joke doesn't work for me. Unlike the people who actually apply to it, I knew this was going to turn out poorly. -- 1st Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2nd Year OMG FF7 Always Wins. 3rd Year OMG Link Always Wins. 2101st Year OMG CATS Always Wins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > The winner of the Absolute Best Game Ever contest is...Ever17! (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > The winner of the Absolute Best Game Ever contest is...Ever17!