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SmartMuffin
10/18/11 6:18:00 PM
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Specific Rules:

Due to the overwhelming amount of games available to choose from, I'm not going to be posting lines from every game available. You will find and use lines on your own from whatever legitimate source you choose. We will be using a limited honor system here. You post the line you find, and I'll cross-check it with the source I use. I'll allow you a 2-point window in either direction. In other words, if your line is within two points of mine, I'll accept your line. If it's more than two points away, I'll let you know, and you can either change your pick or use my line. If a neutral party (neither myself nor the original picker) wishes to challenge my line, we can work it out over an AIM chat or something. Please note, the window is NOT there for the purpose of allowing you to pad your lines or anything. Be honest about the lines you fine. Honor system applies here.

However, since some of you probably won't want to do exhaustive research, I will post around five "spotlight games" each week. For the spotlight games, my lines must be used.

You may submit your picks at any time prior to the first game you are picking. All games must be picked in one post, meaning, if you want to pick a Thursday game and two Saturday games, you must pick all three games prior to the first game starting. Once any of your games have started, you may not change any of your picks. If you are going to change picks, DELETE AND REPOST. Do not edit your post. Any edited posts will not count.

Unless otherwise noted, every game picked must meet the following criteria: At least ONE of the teams involved must either be a member of a BCS conference, or ranked in the Top 25. BOTH teams must be members of Division 1-A, bowl division, whatever the hell it's called these days. For levels involving player-specific props, the spread of the game you are picking must be under 20.

The "week" will run Thursday - Monday. No games played on Tuesday or Wednesday are eligible for prediction until Championship Week. I'm thinking of including Bowl Season in this contest and doing something totally different for it, but haven't worked out the details yet. Keep this in mind so you don't accuse me of "changing the rules midway through." I'm warning you that such a change is coming now.

ATS = against the spread. OU = over/under. SU = straight up. If you don't know what these things mean, learn. We'll be using them frequently.

I will be participating myself. If anyone has any objections or thinks I'm doing anything unfairly, feel free to call me out and we'll sort it out. There's no prize here, it's all in good fun, fair competition among fans is encouraged!

Level 6: Variety Parlay - Pick three games. One favorite ATS, one dog ATS, and one game O/U. All three must be correct. No pushes.

Level 5: Winners, winners, winners - Pick one winner (SU) from each of the six BCS conferences. At least two of your picks must be favored by single digits or less. All six must win.

Level 4: Pick one game ATS. You must pick a road team who is favored.

Level 3: The Jakyl Tier - Three game teaser (pick three games ATS, add six points in your favor to each spread, all games must win, you may advance with ONE push)

Level 2:
Pick three games OU. Must get two or more correct to advance.

Level 1:
Pick one game ATS.

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SmartMuffin
10/18/11 6:18:00 PM
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Level 6
Camden
sonten1

Level 5
TsunamiXXVIII
BrettEagles
Paratroopa1
Masterplum

Level 4
Jakyl - Oklahoma -36.5
Regaro-Ukiera

Level 3
GaryOak151
RappinHobo
KCF0107
SmartMuffin


Level 2
KommunistKoala
MajinZidane
Achromatic
Wiggumfan267
MSS

Level 1
Viviff
BBallman7

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Paratroopa1
10/18/11 6:31:00 PM
#3:


Level 5:

ACC: Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia
Big Ten: Nebraska
Big 12: Oklahoma State (-7)
Pac 10: Washington State (-3)
SEC: Alabama
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SmartMuffin
10/18/11 6:31:00 PM
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Pac 10: Washington State (-3)

TEMPTING FATE AGAIN!!!

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Paratroopa1
10/18/11 6:35:00 PM
#5:


Eh. I could've gone with Wisconsin over Michigan State instead which I didn't see at first (and I thought the line would be higher than 10 anyway) but it'll be a lot funnier to have something riding on the Cougs beating the Beavs.
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Camden
10/18/11 7:38:00 PM
#6:


For Level 6, can I pick the same game for a spread and o/u or do I need to pick three different games?

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Camden
10/18/11 7:51:00 PM
#7:


Never mind, I scrolled without realizing it and read the wrong line for the Oklahoma game. Something about the o/u being in the 40's felt wrong.

Wake Forest -3 at Duke
Texas Tech +29.5 at Oklahoma
Wisconsin at Michigan State (47.5) Over

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/18/11 8:54:00 PM
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TsunamiXXVIII
10/18/11 9:08:00 PM
#9:


Level 5:

ACC: Boston College @ Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia @ Syracuse
Big Ten: Penn State (-4) @ Northwestern
Big XII: Oklahoma State (-7) @ Missouri
Pac-12: Oregon @ Colorado
SEC: Tennessee @ Alabama

But the moment the line moves under 10 points for Vanderbilt or Kansas State, I want one of those (if it's Vandy, then replace Oklahoma State with Oklahoma for the Big XII pick. The line seems to be moving in the wrong direction for K-State anyway, but if Vandy and K-State both drop below 10-point favorites, I want Vandy and Oklahoma, not Alabama and K-State)

Putting that out there preemptively, just in case they decide to wait until Saturday morning to move the line that low (because West Virginia is a Friday game and I would be locked in by then.)

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SmartMuffin
10/18/11 9:45:00 PM
#10:


For Level 6, can I pick the same game for a spread and o/u or do I need to pick three different games?

Just to keep things interesting, I'm gonna go ahead and say no. You gotta pick three different games.

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masterplum
10/18/11 10:28:00 PM
#11:


tag. not sure yet

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masterplum
10/18/11 10:33:00 PM
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Oregon
Bama
Oklahoma
Wisconsin -8.5
Florida State


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Flip Big East

uh....

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KCF0107
10/18/11 11:03:00 PM
#13:


Level 3:

Indiana Hoosiers (+24) @ Iowa Hawkeyes
Wisconsin Badgers @ Michigan St. Spartans (+8.5)
Nebraska Cornhuskers (-25.5) @ Minnesota Golden Gophers

Going all Big Ten this week and yes. If Purdue can stomp all over Minnesota then surely Nebraska can. Also, I don't care how bad Indiana is, I do not trust Iowa's offense

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BrettEagles
10/19/11 6:51:00 AM
#14:


Level 5:

ACC: Virginia Tech
Big East: West Virginia
Big Ten: Nebraska
Big 12: Oklahoma State (-7)
Pac 10: Washington State (-3)
SEC: Alabama

I had written this down yesterday. Looks like Para and I think alike!

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/19/11 12:20:00 PM
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Note to self: Be more alert where these picks are concerned. Actually seeing that the line on the one I really wanted for one of my single-digit spreads did open as a single-digit spread and moved. Still, I guess there's hope--the open for Kansas State-Kansas was 15 points, and it's down to like 11, even though I'd first seen it even lower at 10.5.

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/19/11 12:36:00 PM
#16:


SmartMuffin posted...
For Level 6, can I pick the same game for a spread and o/u or do I need to pick three different games?

Just to keep things interesting, I'm gonna go ahead and say no. You gotta pick three different games.


Oh, I don't know, I think it could be interesting if you pick the same one for spread and o/u. Hell, if you picked the under, you could end up eliminating yourself before the over even hits because maintaining the under would prevent you from hitting the spread!

For example, say you had...wait, let me just find one where a defensive struggle sounds logical...okay, got it, let's say you have a lot of faith in Florida State's defense, but not so much faith in their offense, so you picked both Maryland +16.5 and under 55. Only it turns out that that defense of theirs is too good, and by the end of the first half they already have three interception-return touchdowns and upon getting a touchdown on the opening drive of the second half lead 38-7. You're still 10 points below the over/under line, but Maryland needs 15 more points to cover the spread, so you can't win. Interesting!

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masterplum
10/19/11 2:09:00 PM
#17:


Eh, Give me

Rutgers -some small number

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masterplum
10/19/11 2:11:00 PM
#18:


actually I think they are dogs.

meh

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/19/11 2:12:00 PM
#19:


Level 4:
Oklahoma State

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/19/11 2:12:00 PM
#20:


(That should be -7)

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Paratroopa1
10/19/11 2:13:00 PM
#21:


You can take a dog in level 5, it doesn't say you can't. An underdog is most definitely favored by less than 10.
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SmartMuffin
10/19/11 4:31:00 PM
#22:


Spotlight games:
Auburn +21.5 at LSU (47)
Wisconsin -7 at Michigan State (49)
Washington +21 at Stanford (62.5)
Georgia Tech +2.5 at Miami (62)
Oklahoma State -7 at Missouri (69.5)

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SmartMuffin
10/19/11 4:32:00 PM
#23:


BTW Para, I'm heavily leaning towards taking UW and the 21. Talk me into/out of it?

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/19/11 8:08:00 PM
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"Andrew Luck"

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Paratroopa1
10/19/11 8:16:00 PM
#25:


Well, Washington has had absolutely no problem moving the ball on any defense they've faced so far, so they'll get their points, and they're only getting better as Price is getting healthier. Their defense has been crappy but their worst two games were the first two of the season, and the points they've given up in their Pac-12 games so far (23, 14, 24) don't look so bad. They've been good on the road so far.

On the other hand, their pass defense is awful and they're up against Andrew Luck. I would take Washington +21 personally but you do so at your own risk.
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Paratroopa1
10/19/11 8:17:00 PM
#26:


Also man I want to go bet all my money on Washington/Stanford over 62.5. So many points are going to be scored. All the points.
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SmartMuffin
10/20/11 7:00:00 AM
#27:


Level 3:
Illinois -4.5 at Purdue
Nebraska -27 at Minnesota
Wisconsin -7 at Michigan State

(for the record, I did end up taking the Huskies as my fourth pick)

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Paratroopa1
10/20/11 7:37:00 PM
#28:


Holy s*** I wish I picked Arizona right now. I've been stubbornly insistent all year that Arizona's better than UCLA but it's only now finally playing out that way.
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TsunamiXXVIII
10/20/11 7:40:00 PM
#29:


Switching my Big Ten pick over to Illinois (-3.5).

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/50196/page/upset/upset-pick-northwestern-over-penn-state

I'm not one to listen to pundits predicting upsets, but finding out that Penn State will be minus their top receiver is kind of scary. Also, looking at who Purdue got their three wins against--and more importantly, who dealt them their first loss--you could easily make a case for Purdue being the #10 team in the Big Ten. (Indiana and Minnesota are obviously #11 and #12, though I'm not sure in what order.)

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KCF0107
10/21/11 1:43:00 PM
#30:


up

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masterplum
10/21/11 5:57:00 PM
#31:


Yessss


I successfully avoided the WVU game.


whether the cuse will hold on or Rutgers comes back to win is yet to be seen however >_>

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/21/11 6:15:00 PM
#32:


It's still the first half. At this point in the Clemson game last week, it looked like Maryland would pull the upset.

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SmartMuffin
10/21/11 6:37:00 PM
#33:


West Virginia about to kick some ass. Sarah picked Cuse on the MONEYLINE btw...

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/21/11 6:39:00 PM
#34:


Goddamn interceptions. At least they managed to force a 3-and-out, actually get the ball back before the half. Maybe they can at least get a field goal to cut it to 21-12 before the half.

nvm, not enough time.

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/21/11 7:18:00 PM
#35:


LOL Syracuse, celebrating when they didn't actually get the stop.

Then again, when the ball's inside the 1 yard line and it's fourth down, it's an easy assumption to make that keeping them out of the end zone=getting the stop.

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masterplum
10/21/11 7:24:00 PM
#36:


Meanwhile on ESPN 2, my idiotic Rutgers pick





is looking Idiotic

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Paratroopa1
10/21/11 7:53:00 PM
#37:


Okay, I'm not going to lie. I knew West Virginia was overrated as hell. Their ranking made no sense, they had done nothing to earn it, and being in the Big East only hurts my opinion of them. There was no way they were the #11 team or whatever.

But I could never have seen a near 3 TD loss to Syracuse coming. Not in a million years.

God, I hate the Big East. Take the damn AQ status away from this conference already, it's embarrassing.
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masterplum
10/21/11 8:01:00 PM
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From: Paratroopa1 | #037
Okay, I'm not going to lie. I knew West Virginia was overrated as hell. Their ranking made no sense, they had done nothing to earn it, and being in the Big East only hurts my opinion of them. There was no way they were the #11 team or whatever.

But I could never have seen a near 3 TD loss to Syracuse coming. Not in a million years.

God, I hate the Big East. Take the damn AQ status away from this conference already, it's embarrassing.


I did :D

Don't look at the rutgers score >_> but at least it makes sense of why in a round where I had to pick someone favored that I picked a dog

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Paratroopa1
10/21/11 8:04:00 PM
#39:


Well, I'm not shocked that WV lost, but I am a bit shocked that they got the friggin' doors blown off of them. There was no good pick in the Big East, really - the Big East alone is making level 6 way harder than it would be otherwise, because it's an ugly combination of no good teams + very few matchups + I don't know s*** about any of them.
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SmartMuffin
10/21/11 8:18:00 PM
#40:


Round 7 is gonna be a three-team big-east only parlay <_<

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SmartMuffin
10/21/11 8:49:00 PM
#41:


xfd, the Big East just took out ALL of level 5 and it's not even Saturday yet

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/21/11 10:19:00 PM
#42:


Paratroopa1 posted...
Well, I'm not shocked that WV lost, but I am a bit shocked that they got the friggin' doors blown off of them. There was no good pick in the Big East, really - the Big East alone is making level 6 way harder than it would be otherwise, because it's an ugly combination of no good teams + very few matchups + I don't know s*** about any of them.

Well, I'm from NJ, so Big East is my territory...and I should've known better than to pick a favorite, because my rule of thumb when picking Big East games is to think about what would make sense and then predict that the opposite will happen.

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JaKyL25
10/22/11 8:54:00 AM
#43:


Level 4
Wisconsin -8 @ Michigan State

Badgers want revenge from last year's loss, MSU is riding high after beating Michigan four years straight, and MSU is overrated because they scraped one out against the previously overrated Michigan.

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KCF0107
10/22/11 10:03:00 AM
#44:


Thank god I didn't go with the Illinois/Purdue game

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sonten1
10/22/11 12:23:00 PM
#45:


Level 6

Fave ATS: Wisconsin (-7) @ Michigan State
Dog ATS: USC (+9.5) @ Notre Dame
O/U: Washington @ Stanford (62.5)

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Regaro_Ukiera
10/22/11 1:37:00 PM
#46:


man

after struggling for so long on level 3, level 4 gets cleared in a week.

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KCF0107
10/22/11 3:20:00 PM
#47:


Well, I passed my first test with Indiana/Iowa. Things are looking good, not from a fan perspective, with Nebraska/Minnesota

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Camden
10/22/11 3:45:00 PM
#48:


Damn, Wake Forest was the one I was confident in.

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TsunamiXXVIII
10/22/11 3:52:00 PM
#49:


Okay, guess it's time to start thinking about Week 9 picks for level 5.

ACC: Florida State
Big East: Louisville
Big XII: Texas
Pac-12: Arizona State
SEC: ...Auburn, I guess. Only other one that seems safe is Arkansas, but especially in the SEC, I'm reluctant to take a road team.

Holding off on making a pick for the Big Ten until I actually see lines--and results from tonight's late games, for that matter. Curious to see how Penn State does, because they're a possibility, and who wins the Wisconsin-MSU game will probably affect which is more likely to get a small enough line to be one of the two favored by less than 10. Louisville, obviously, is the other one--I fully expect the Cardinals to be a home underdog because they're facing Syracuse, who will be vastly overestimated after their win over West Virginia. Take a look at their first six games: Overtime win over Wake Forest (a decent team this year, but not a powerhouse--and OT wins are never impressive), 7-point win over Rhode Island, 21-point loss to USC, OT win over Toledo which would have been a regulation loss if not for an atrociously botched call (upon scoring a touchdown to take a 29-27 lead, the ensuing extra point attempt went wide, but was called good--and was then reviewed and still called good; Toledo kicked a game-tying field goal that should've given them a 30-29 lead.), double-OT loss to Rutgers, 3-point win over Tulane. Very small margins of victory over poor teams, and decidedly mediocre overall disguised by that win they didn't deserve. Last night was really their first good game all year.

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Paratroopa1
10/22/11 5:02:00 PM
#50:


All right, Washington wins 41-38. Let's do this.
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