Board 8 > Phoenix Wright vs. Edgeworth & Gordon Freeman vs. Dr. Breen

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What are your thoughts on that matchup? Freeman has beaten Phoenix before, but think he has a chance at redemption with Edgeworth?

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When does the match happen? I haven't looked at when the contest starts.

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Not sure when, but I think it's the 21st battle of round 1.

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I took Freeman/Breen immediately.

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Phoenix is a night match, which favors him considerably. While Gordon is stronger in a direct match, according to the 2k10 x-stats, I think this being a "rivalry" contest is going to put the match in Phoenix's favor, since Edgeworth is a beloved rival from the series.

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Edgeworth is so beloved that he got tripled by Big Boss.

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #007
Edgeworth is so beloved that he got tripled by Big Boss.

Do we really think Breen would do any better?

I mean, do we think he would do better than Alyx Vance, who got tripled by Lara Croft?

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Phoenix/Edgeworth, but it's just a 1-point match.

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I would take Dr. Breen over Edgeworth in an instant.

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I'm taking Phoenix/Edgey. They'll probably get a decent boost from the rivalry factor, it's a night match, Breen is probably turbofodder, and one-seeds always receive a good deal of bracket votes. Just look at how Super Mario Galaxy over-performed against Twilight Princess in the last contest!

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #010
I would take Dr. Breen over Edgeworth in an instant.

...I wouldn't.

Besides, it's not like Gordon blew Phoenix out before. It was a 58/42 match (and 56/44 at noon, for the record, since that's when this match will end). Factor in the potential that people will factor in the rivalry itself, and the fact that it doesn't seem like people hold Freeman/Breen in high regard (Didn't do much better than Raynor/Kerrigan), and Phoenix has a chance.

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Does being the better rivalry matter when Half-Life is so much stronger? It's not like Breen is going to draw anti-voting.

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From: Xeybozn | #013
Does being the better rivalry matter when Half-Life is so much stronger? It's not like Breen is going to draw anti-voting.

Half-Life is a good deal stronger than Ace Attorney, true.

However, Gordon Freeman isn't a lot stronger than Phoenix Wright.

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See, I think the big thing is that nobody cares about Edgeworth. Freeman/Breen isn't going to be weaker than Freeman, but Edgeworth needs to boost Phoenix in order to win. I mean, I'd love for Phoenix/Edgeworth to win, but I don't see Phoenix/Edgeworth boosting much from the rivalry factor because it's very clear that Phoenix is way stronger than the games already, so there's very little room to rise, especially from a character that this site doesn't care about.

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I don't think there's a whole lot of boost needed from adding Edgeworth to the equation for them to win that match though, especially in a 12-hour night match.

In a 24 hour match, I wouldn't even consider it, but 12 hours? I think there's a chance.

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I picked Jecht.

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Honestly, it's like Snake/Mega Man to me. Is Snake going to slaughter Mega Man? No, but at the same time Mega Man isn't a threat. Edgeworth needs to probably make up a good 5-6%, and I don't think there's enough room left for Phoenix to boost above the games for Edgeworth to make that up with how not-popular the games are.

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #019
Edgeworth needs to probably make up a good 5-6%

In a night match, I don't think he does.

I think Phoenix/Gordon are closer now than they were in 2006.

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How many people would actually remember Dr. Breen on name alone? I've played through all of the games, and if you had to guess what game Dr. Breen was from, I would have no idea.

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I'm going to guess that Breen will have more of an impact with a picture.

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From: The Real Truth | #021
How many people would actually remember Dr. Breen on name alone? I've played through all of the games, and if you had to guess what game Dr. Breen was from, I would have no idea.

Well, that won't matter as much considering he'll be paired with Gordon.

But I'm not convinced that this contest is just "Pick which character of the four is the strongest" straight up. Gordon is probably the favorite, but I don't think it's a lock.

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I think we also have to keep in mind that there will be a bit of "smart voter faqs" going on, where people will actually vote on the rivalry, rather than just their favorite character.

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That poll doesn't really debunk the idea that it won't matter at all.

Nobody's saying that it's going to change the winner, but could it possibly affect some results? Sure.

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Went with Freeman/Breen

But I don't think Gordon Freeman is in the clear after this embarrassment:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3793

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Phoenix will win his division

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Is Phoenix going to get DAT MAHVEL 3 BOOST?!

I forgot about Marvel 3, I could easily see that as a deciding factor in making Phoenix win.

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Rivalry affecting the match requires people to care about at the very least, the game. This site doesn't care about Phoenix Wright games. Phoenix Wright the character is already far stronger than the games. This isn't like Red/Blue where it's an 'iconic rivalry' from maybe the third strongest game on this site where the more popular half got what, 40% on a near-elite and has room to grow. Phoenix has virtually no room to grow by 'rivalry factor', and grow he needs to do just to make this close enough to have a shot.

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UMvC3 would only give boost to the "He's the only guy I know so I vote for him" factor.

The only people who are excited about PW being in that game are the ones who already know him and thus would've voted for him anyways.

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UltimaterializerX posted...
Greyfeld posted...
I think we also have to keep in mind that there will be a bit of "smart voter faqs" going on, where people will actually vote on the rivalry, rather than just their favorite character.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=4195

Whether you agree with the finalists or not, that doesn't change the fact that these are popularity contests. However, popularity and "smart voter faqs" aren't mutually exclusive. There were plenty of posters last year that genuinely felt Zelda: Majora's Mask was the best game of the decade.

Similarly, there will be some voters who honestly feel that the Phoenix/Edgeworth rivalry is more interesting/awesome/iconic than a Freeman/Breen rivalry (and vice versa). But considering it's been stated more than once that Breen isn't really a great rival for Freeman, it gives Phoenix/Edgeworth an edge for those who are legitimately going to vote for "best rival pair."

I don't know if it will really make a difference, but it's one of several circumstances working in their favor.

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Haha, MARVEL 3 FACTOR is totally what I'm blaming if Phoenix/Edgeworth wins.

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...
Rivalry affecting the match requires people to care about at the very least, the game. This site doesn't care about Phoenix Wright games. Phoenix Wright the character is already far stronger than the games. This isn't like Red/Blue where it's an 'iconic rivalry' from maybe the third strongest game on this site where the more popular half got what, 40% on a near-elite and has room to grow. Phoenix has virtually no room to grow by 'rivalry factor', and grow he needs to do just to make this close enough to have a shot.

And Gordon is far weaker than the HL games.

Considering the direct power between the two characters, Phoenix doesn't need a significant power leap, he just needs to watch Breen pull Gordon down into the dirt while the night vote lets him coast to a close win.

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Phoenix/Gordon was relatively close last time, Phoenix has more recent stuff coming out than Gordon, Edgeworth>Breen, rivalry with Edgeworth>>>rivalry with Breen.

Phoenix probably takes it fairly easily.

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From: WarThaNemesis2 | #031
Rivalry affecting the match requires people to care about at the very least, the game. This site doesn't care about Phoenix Wright games.

Eh, I dunno. PW1 did decently enough on MKWii (I know, I know, LOL Wii) to make me think people at least care about the first game somewhat.

But in two night matches, Phoenix has managed 47.3% on Jecht (and I don't think Gordon is much better than Jecht, honestly) and 46.5% on MKWii.

And do we think Phoenix loses to Raynor or Kerrigan, just so we're clear?

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I still want to know how Phoenix Wright, a character already far stronger than his games, is going to boost from his rivalry with a character people on this site like less than Guybrush Threepwood.

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Why does he have to boost again?

I mean, why are we assuming that Gordon is automatically going to remain stronger even if you anchor him with a rival nobody really cares about?

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I feel like Jecht beats anyone in that division

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Edgeworth is super fodder and Breen probably is too. Gordon is stronger than Phoenix though, so I'd say Freeman/Breen win with little problem.

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Because just as many people probably care about Dr. Breen as care about Edgeworth.

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But yeah, this is way too much effort arguing a one-point match to see who gets to get smacked around on somebody's route to a match with Frog/Magus.

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Well, there's not much worth arguing about in this contest!

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I feel like Phoenix Wright, at the moment, has more momentum going into this contest. He's about to be a playable character in MvC, and that's generating at least a little bit of buzz. Half-Life 2 ep3, meanwhile, seems to have completely disappeared off the face of the earth, and there is zero hype over it at the moment whatsoever because we haven't heard anything. Gordon Freeman may never have less momentum than he's got now.

Also I just feel like Phoenix/Edgeworth just looks better at a glance. They're more recognizable as a duo even if people don't really know them, whereas I think even a lot of players who played HL would have to stop and think a moment about Dr. Breen, and in a poll like this where people aren't going to think about their votes too closely I think that actually helps. This is a factor in a lot of other matches too that I think matters more than people think it does.

Somewhere in the back of my head I feel like I'm trying to justify a wrong pick though. My gut says Phoenix/Edgeworth pull out a close in spite of the evidence, but I really don't like it.