Board 8 > Someone run by me how Crono and Lavos are rivals again?

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 9:09:00 PM
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One is a mute RPG hero. The other is a horrible eldritch evil that destroys the world and doesn't give a crap about said mute RPG hero. Sorry, I'm not seeing it.
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Menji76
10/05/11 9:11:00 PM
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They are one. Didn't you play Cross?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/05/11 9:11:00 PM
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From: Paratroopa1 | #001
One is a mute RPG hero. The other is a horrible eldritch evil that destroys the world and doesn't give a crap about said mute RPG hero. Sorry, I'm not seeing it.


"But Lavos KILLS Crono! Totally rivals, dude!"

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 9:11:00 PM
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They had a date to die for once.

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Viktor Vaughn
10/05/11 9:12:00 PM
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well you see they fight and also

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 9:13:00 PM
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Does Cross actually have anything to do with Crono or Lavos? I've never played it but I was under the impression that it shares extremely little continuity with Trigger. I was also under the impression that it's dumb and bad.
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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 9:14:00 PM
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Chrono Cross definitely has a connection with Chrono Trigger.

It also poops all over that connection.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/05/11 9:17:00 PM
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From: LeonhartFour | #007
Chrono Cross definitely has a connection with Chrono Trigger.

It also poops all over that connection.


It also has nothing to do with this. Like...at all. I dunno what Menji was talking about and I'd hazard a guess that I know more about Cross than he does.

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charmander6000
10/05/11 9:23:00 PM
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Lavos wanted to destroy the world, Marle told Crono to save it.

Total rivals.

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 9:26:00 PM
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We're under the assumption that Lavos has ideals here!

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Ness26
10/05/11 9:26:00 PM
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Did Lavos really "want" to destroy the world? It didn't really seem like it was capable of thought.

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Meow1000
10/05/11 9:27:00 PM
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Lavos really didn't care and just wanted food

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WazzupGenius00
10/05/11 9:28:00 PM
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It "wanted" to in the same sense that a mosquito "wants" to suck blood

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SovietOmega
10/05/11 9:29:00 PM
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crono didn't speak. lavos didn't speak. their rivalry was a subtle one.

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GuessMyUserName
10/05/11 9:29:00 PM
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From: WazzupGenius00 | Posted: 10/6/2011 12:28:01 AM | #014
It "wanted" to in the same sense that a mosquito "wants" to suck blood


not exactly

It's more like a mosquito "wants" to give people a misquito bite

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 9:30:00 PM
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Well, I guess it depends on how much you want to bring Chrono Cross into Lavos's sentience.

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red sox 777
10/05/11 9:31:00 PM
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Basically:

Lavos represents Satan.
Crono represents Jesus.

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 9:32:00 PM
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Darn it red sox

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pjbasis
10/05/11 9:32:00 PM
#21:


Lavos is awesome, and Chrono Cross is a good reason for it, being an awesome game and all.
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Veola
10/05/11 9:38:00 PM
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red sox 777
10/05/11 9:39:00 PM
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It does match remarkably well though:

Crono receives gifts from 3 wise men from a kingdom with strong Persian influences on its design named Melchior, Belthasar, and Gaspar.
Crono sacrifices himself and is brought back to life.
Crono casts Luminaire, which is basically Holy, but more awesome. He also casts Life.
Crono does not have a father on earth.
Crono changes the destiny of mankind.
Crono has no character flaws.

Lavos controls human evolution and advancement.
Lavos is the enemy of mankind.
Lavos gets Zeal to falsely worship him.
etc

The biggest difference here is that the Entity/Crono are not omnipotent. Indeed they're evenly matched with Lavos.

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Veola
10/05/11 9:40:00 PM
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Oh right. I have to add spoiler space.



Spoiler space.




Lavos is a goddamn mastermind, people. Planned the entire game out through his weird time pockets.

I was under the impression that Schala was the one ****ing with time, using Lavos's power (technically, everyone with magic was using it).

But really, he was a duck in a spacesuit. In a pineapple. Under the sea. Who wouldn't want a rival like that?
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Viktor Vaughn
10/05/11 9:41:00 PM
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Crono has no character flaws.

how about that one time he ate that guy's lunch



fifty times

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red sox 777
10/05/11 9:42:00 PM
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Magus also shares a lot of similarities with Mohammed: ruler of the city of Medina, circa 600 AD, called The Prophet, fought Guardia, which is obviously based on Medieval Europe.

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baron von toast
10/05/11 9:42:00 PM
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All of the other charges against Crono were trumped up be he most definitely stole a meal from an elderly man.

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red sox 777
10/05/11 9:43:00 PM
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Oh yeah, how could I forget that one?

Crono is falsely accused of crimes he didn't commit, and sentenced to death.

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OmarsComin
10/05/11 9:44:00 PM
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if you go by what Cross said, Lavos is like super smart and is aware of all this time junk going on

Crono apparently can't survive a Porre invasion though, hardly a worthy adversary
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Veola
10/05/11 9:46:00 PM
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I loved intentionally getting the entire jury to declare me guilty.
I was a goddamn monster: Stealing old-man lunches. Throwing a girl at a robot with a boxing glove on a spring. Ignoring girls who have lost their cats. Not waiting around for people to buy candy.

Truly, I was pure evil.
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Viktor Vaughn
10/05/11 9:48:00 PM
#31:


little did anyone know that the trial was to determine whether your crono was a goku or a vegeta

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paperwarior
10/05/11 9:48:00 PM
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They don't talk to each other at all, nor do they fight more than once, thus making it a terrible rivalry or even enemyness.

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YetAnothrShadow
10/05/11 10:08:00 PM
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Ness26 posted...
Did Lavos really "want" to destroy the world? It didn't really seem like it was capable of thought.

No, all he wanted to to one up his long running mute rival Crono.

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 10:09:00 PM
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Man remember when Lavos was all like GOSH DARN THAT CRONO I'LL GET HIM IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO! That was great.
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Aecioo
10/05/11 10:10:00 PM
#36:


If you really think people are voting based on people being actual rivals and not simply voting because it has Crono in it then 'lol'

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 10:12:00 PM
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Aecioo | Posted 10/5/2011 10:10:23 PM | message detail | quote
If you really think people are voting based on people being actual rivals and not simply voting because it has Crono in it then 'lol'


Of course they're voting for it because Crono is in it, but that's not an excuse for this being a completely silly "rivalry."
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Aecioo
10/05/11 10:13:00 PM
#38:


Err, I meant that the only reason that Crono/Lavos even got in is because it's Crono.

Just like how most rivalries won't be actual rivalries but will be (popular hero) vs (game villain) and will get more votes than actual legitimate rivalries.

is what i was trying to say

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Paratroopa1
10/05/11 10:14:00 PM
#39:


Yes, I'm totally aware that's what's going on. I'm mocking the practice of doing this.
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Aecioo
10/05/11 10:15:00 PM
#40:


your face

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StealThisSheen
10/05/11 10:27:00 PM
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Aecioo posted...
Err, I meant that the only reason that Crono/Lavos even got in is because it's Crono.

Just like how most rivalries won't be actual rivalries but will be (popular hero) vs (game villain) and will get more votes than actual legitimate rivalries.

is what i was trying to say



This is why Siegfried/Nightmare should win it all. You aren't TRUE rivals until you've competed for control of the same body.



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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 10:28:00 PM
#42:


From: StealThisSheen | #041
From: Aecioo
Err, I meant that the only reason that Crono/Lavos even got in is because it's Crono.

Just like how most rivalries won't be actual rivalries but will be (popular hero) vs (game villain) and will get more votes than actual legitimate rivalries.

is what i was trying to say


This is why Siegfried/Nightmare should win it all. You aren't TRUE rivals until you've competed for control of the same body.


And yet nobody is pushing for Serge/Lynx.

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red sox 777
10/05/11 10:29:00 PM
#43:


Serge/FATE is better, IMO.

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 10:29:00 PM
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Except one is actually a rivalry and one is on par with Crono/Lavos.

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WiggumFan267
10/05/11 10:33:00 PM
#45:


From: LeonhartFour | #007
Chrono Cross definitely has a connection with Chrono Trigger.

It also poops all over that connection.


Having played CC before CT I think CT poops over the connection!

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 10:34:00 PM
#46:


I played CC before CT as well and I stand by my original statement!

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WiggumFan267
10/05/11 10:34:00 PM
#47:


This topic is hilarious btw. A+ work everyone.

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red sox 777
10/05/11 10:34:00 PM
#48:


What do you mean? FATE is definitely a real rival, and a lot better than Lavos. Serge's real rival is of course lower case fate, and FATE is the physical embodiment of fate.

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LeonhartFour
10/05/11 10:38:00 PM
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Might as well be considered part of the rivalry with Lynx anyway

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pjbasis
10/05/11 10:39:00 PM
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Serge/Lynx was the first thing I thought of.
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