Board 8 > League of Legends Topic 27 - "Learn from your mistakes."

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 3:21:00 PM
#451:


Really interesting thread about IPL:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1341606

Poor Elementz. He isn't letting himself live Dreamhack down. :(

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 3:26:00 PM
#452:


Frankly, I think Hotshot played like garbage in that second game.

Not once did he ever meaningfully ult, and he had Kennen on his team, so good ults matter.

And really, most champions crumble to being focused down. My opinion on Akali sticks.

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 3:37:00 PM
#453:


Dignitas: Shen, Ryze, Sona, Ezreal, Trundle
Epik: Caitlin, Sion, Nocturne, Talon, Taric

Oh boy

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 3:40:00 PM
#454:


From: Spark Mandrill | #453
Dignitas: Shen, Ryze, Sona, Ezreal, Trundle
Epik: Caitlin, Sion, Nocturne, Talon, Taric

Oh boy


Both strong sides. You do NOT **** with Ryze. I'm expecting Shen/Talon, Ryze/Sion, Sona+Ezreal/Cait+Taric, and Trundle and Nox on the jungle.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 4:25:00 PM
#455:


HOLY **** DIGNITAS

DAT TEAMFIGHTAN SON

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 4:26:00 PM
#456:


Way to bait YOUR OWN TEAM, Dyrus.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 4:27:00 PM
#457:


From: Spark Mandrill | #456
Way to bait YOUR OWN TEAM, Dyrus.


Master troll

EDIT: Also, DOUBLE WARMONG

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 4:40:00 PM
#458:


My body was not ready for that game. I don't know how I'm gonna get through all that is still to come!

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Iubaris
10/09/11 4:40:00 PM
#459:


<3 Dyrus

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 4:53:00 PM
#460:


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I was so HYPE at the possibility of seeing Jax there. Dyrus, you cruel man :(

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 4:58:00 PM
#461:


I hope he dies to wraiths

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 5:00:00 PM
#462:


Akali/Ryze/Sona/Cait/Trundle vs. Lee/Morgana/Janna/Vayne/Gangplank

You can take one thing from these teamcomps: If EPIK (right side) lets Dignitas stay remotely even early game, they've lost. You have three bonafide brutal carries there, vs. just a Vayne protected by triple shields. Vayne is good, but she isn't THAT good. Crapping on Akali is of paramount important if Dan Dihn's boys want to take the championship.

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10/09/11 5:07:00 PM
#463:


Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 5:15:00 PM
#464:


From: Anagram | #463
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.


Your Qs have to hit EVERYTHING. Fail to hit some creeps and you're out. It's an exercise in creep kiting.

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Iubaris
10/09/11 5:29:00 PM
#465:


Wow, that was brutal.

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Accel ACE
10/09/11 5:34:00 PM
#466:


So does anyone wanna play some Intermediate bots right now? Add HeishiroT, I'm bored, wanna get a few fun wins

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QuinticWarrior
10/09/11 6:13:00 PM
#467:


Anagram posted...
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.

Start Doran's Blade at double golems, insta-gank, profit.

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Peace___Frog
10/09/11 6:19:00 PM
#468:


Intermediate bots get old fast, mostly because their champion selection pool is pretty small.

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QuinticWarrior
10/09/11 6:20:00 PM
#469:


Peace___Frog posted...
Intermediate bots get old fast, mostly because their champion selection pool is pretty small.

get on

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Achromatic
10/09/11 6:36:00 PM
#470:


Ace and I taught those bots a lesson.

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Justin_Crossing
10/09/11 7:21:00 PM
#471:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1341960

Dyrus did this in the middle of the finals.

What a goddamn champ.

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Spark Mandrill
10/09/11 7:24:00 PM
#472:


http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/graves-mechanics-preview

Mr. Fortune, more like.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 7:35:00 PM
#473:


From: Spark Mandrill | #472
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/graves-mechanics-preview

Mr. Fortune, more like.


Oh man, those skills sound awesome. If he has a good passive he's gonna be our first brawny carry since Jax!

(also, making the new topic. Standby!)

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Anagram
10/09/11 9:55:00 PM
#474:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #463
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.
Your Qs have to hit EVERYTHING. Fail to hit some creeps and you're out. It's an exercise in creep kiting.


No, no. I can jungle perfectly, I have absolutely no problems with that. I just end up failing in ganking and team fights, which are a bit more significant than my jungle route.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 10:05:00 PM
#475:


From: Anagram | #474
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #463
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.
Your Qs have to hit EVERYTHING. Fail to hit some creeps and you're out. It's an exercise in creep kiting.


No, no. I can jungle perfectly, I have absolutely no problems with that. I just end up failing in ganking and team fights, which are a bit more significant than my jungle route.


(take this to the other topic with your next response)

What are you buying and how are you ganking?

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Vengeful_KBM
10/09/11 10:19:00 PM
#476:


For purposes of the next topic, I'd like to revise my list of used champions:

KBM ~ VengefulKBM
[Gangplank, Veigar, Singed, Nunu, Taric, Zilean]


GP and Veigar will always be on my favorites list, methinks, but I've been expanding my horizons a bit. My jungle Nunu is pretty damn good (despite the fact that Nunu, while capable of getting fed, is lamentably incapable of carrying a game himself), and I enjoy supporting as Taric and Zilean a little more these days than Soraka ever since they changed her. And Singed is just beastly and I've been playing him a lot in the last month and a half or so.
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Anagram
10/09/11 10:19:00 PM
#477:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #474
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #463
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.
Your Qs have to hit EVERYTHING. Fail to hit some creeps and you're out. It's an exercise in creep kiting.

No, no. I can jungle perfectly, I have absolutely no problems with that. I just end up failing in ganking and team fights, which are a bit more significant than my jungle route.
(take this to the other topic with your next response)

What are you buying and how are you ganking?


I start with Vampiric Scepter. After I recall at the mini-golems, I grab a cloth armor and a potion. After that I grab blue, and this is about the earliest I might start ganking if it looks possible, if not, I continue to red. If I still can't gank, I do the jungle again. I always build Wriggle's first, then boots of speed, then brutalizer, then I upgrade my boots (Merc's if necessary, Lucidity if not). It's at this point I'm lost as to what to build.

As for ganking, I basically just wait for someone to overextend, rush in there with valor, hit them, stun them, use my Q, and keep attacking. I must be doing something wrong because only occasionally do my ganks succeed.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 10:21:00 PM
#478:


Don't buy brut. Buy AD+Defense.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 10:21:00 PM
#479:


Also, use Q as an autoattack reset. It's mad OP if used that way.

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QuinticWarrior
10/09/11 10:22:00 PM
#480:


Anagram posted...
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #474
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #463
Dammit, I really don't understand why my jungle Riven isn't working. I'm running AD reds, armor yellows, flat CDR blues, AD quints, going QWEE, going wolves-wraiths-golems-recall-blue-wolves-wraiths-red, but it ultimately just never works out. I always end up being the most useless person on my team and I just don't get why.
Your Qs have to hit EVERYTHING. Fail to hit some creeps and you're out. It's an exercise in creep kiting.

No, no. I can jungle perfectly, I have absolutely no problems with that. I just end up failing in ganking and team fights, which are a bit more significant than my jungle route.
(take this to the other topic with your next response)

What are you buying and how are you ganking?

I start with Vampiric Scepter. After I recall at the mini-golems, I grab a cloth armor and a potion. After that I grab blue, and this is about the earliest I might start ganking if it looks possible, if not, I continue to red. If I still can't gank, I do the jungle again. I always build Wriggle's first, then boots of speed, then brutalizer, then I upgrade my boots (Merc's if necessary, Lucidity if not). It's at this point I'm lost as to what to build.

As for ganking, I basically just wait for someone to overextend, rush in there with valor, hit them, stun them, use my Q, and keep attacking. I must be doing something wrong because only occasionally do my ganks succeed.




Make sure you alert your teammate to when you move in.

Riven has amazing gank potential - she can easily gank at level 2 if the enemy is extended enough.

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Anagram
10/09/11 10:23:00 PM
#481:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy brut. Buy AD+Defense.

What other items should I look toward if not Brut? I know people say to grab Frozen Mallet, but the thing is, its slow seems kind of unnecessary given that Riven is already incredibly good at sticking to an enemy.

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KanzarisKelshen
10/09/11 10:26:00 PM
#482:


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KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy brut. Buy AD+Defense.

What other items should I look toward if not Brut? I know people say to grab Frozen Mallet, but the thing is, its slow seems kind of unnecessary given that Riven is already incredibly good at sticking to an enemy.


Why are you listening to bads

I posted a generally awesome build a couple pages bad used by a highly ranked player who explains why it is good, your skilling order, and more. Wrigs, Drinker, Atma's, Thirster, LW, Banshee's, Mercs, BoL. That should be your core pool of items.

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BakusaiTenketsu
10/10/11 1:25:00 AM
#483:


I don't Jungle (as I mentioned earlier), so what I build is gonna be way different than a Jungle Riven.

I usually build Doran's first and on my first trip back (if I need to get back early), get a second Doran's and maybe my Boots going (generally don't need the speed right away). Then I get a BF sword with the intent to eventually complete a Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, or Black Cleaver (depending on how I am doing). I get the Brutalizer after that, and then start worrying about if I need more Armor, more AD, or what. If I am in a real pickle for Tenacity, I would go for the Cloak and Dagger, since it's almost a combo zeal and merc tread priced item.

By late game, I try to make sure I have Ionian Boots, Infinity Edge, Bloodthirster, Youmuu's, and either Zeal/Phantom or Cloak and Dagger, with the 6th item being situational depending on the opposing team, but usually something with Health on it.

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Justin_Crossing
10/10/11 2:26:00 AM
#484:


Wriggle's should be a buy even if you're not jungling. Great item for Riven.

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Anagram
10/10/11 9:46:00 AM
#485:


KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #481
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy brut. Buy AD+Defense.

What other items should I look toward if not Brut? I know people say to grab Frozen Mallet, but the thing is, its slow seems kind of unnecessary given that Riven is already incredibly good at sticking to an enemy.
Why are you listening to bads

I posted a generally awesome build a couple pages bad used by a highly ranked player who explains why it is good, your skilling order, and more. Wrigs, Drinker, Atma's, Thirster, LW, Banshee's, Mercs, BoL. That should be your core pool of items.


Is there any standard build other than Wriggles first? Like if I'm not against an AP-heavy or armor-heavy team?

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KanzarisKelshen
10/10/11 9:59:00 AM
#486:


From: Anagram | #485
KanzarisKelshen posted...
From: Anagram | #481
KanzarisKelshen posted...
Don't buy brut. Buy AD+Defense.

What other items should I look toward if not Brut? I know people say to grab Frozen Mallet, but the thing is, its slow seems kind of unnecessary given that Riven is already incredibly good at sticking to an enemy.
Why are you listening to bads

I posted a generally awesome build a couple pages bad used by a highly ranked player who explains why it is good, your skilling order, and more. Wrigs, Drinker, Atma's, Thirster, LW, Banshee's, Mercs, BoL. That should be your core pool of items.


Is there any standard build other than Wriggles first? Like if I'm not against an AP-heavy or armor-heavy team?


If you're not facing any sort of damage? Yeah, four thirsters and either a cleaver or LW.

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