Board 8 > "I'm voting for the anthropomorphic animal that flies planes."

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A comment on the Tails vs. Launchpad McQuack battle on Gamespot...

And then you guys dare tell me Gamespot isn't awesome!

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This is what Vlado thinks is "awesome".

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I remember that topic from the Sonic/Megaman match

"I voted for the one who has a red friend and a friend who can fly"

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get it

cause that description fits both characters

"applause"

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_Harmonica_ posted...
I remember that topic from the Sonic/Megaman match

"I voted for the one who has a red friend and a friend who can fly"

Fail.

Knuckles glides.

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yeah, but tails can fly

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yeah, but tails can fly

And Tails isn't red.

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And the Gamespot contest is shaping up to have amazing semifinals with only good characters. Even now, 7 out of 8 are good and Otacon is taking care of the last problem. :)

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In other words, it's 4chan that's awesome, not GameSpot.

Considering they've basically made that happen.

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LeonhartFour posted...
In other words, it's 4chan that's awesome, not GameSpot.

Considering they've basically made that happen.

xfd @ actually believing 4chan has that much of a pull.

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@Meow1000: KNUCKLES is the red friend and Tails is the one who can fly.

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XD at believing GameSpot legitimately voted Einstein over Yoshi

And 4chan doesn't need a "pull" when they can just stuff votes and GameSpot doesn't care.

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LeonhartFour posted...
XD at believing GameSpot legitimately voted Einstein over Yoshi

And 4chan doesn't need a "pull" when they can just stuff votes and GameSpot doesn't care.

Except, oops, there have been vote stuffing reports on the contest forum and the stuffed votes are always subtracted. Shows how much you follow the events.

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Bio getting owned makes this topic worth it.

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Except, oops, I've read the reports and all that report deals with is proxy votes, and news flash, proxy votes aren't the only way to cheat.

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could have even said "the anthropomorphic animal that flies a red biplane"

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lol... And what are the other ways?

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Mass voting on private networks would be the most obvious one. College campuses and whatnot. Probably easy enough to write a login script that would make the computers on the network log on to GameSpot and vote on boot or whatever-- or just do it manually for each computer but that'd be tiring if the network is big enough.

Also dial up connections if anyone can still find those could be used to generate multiple votes.

Probably other ways too but these are just the obvious non proxy methods.

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So, even if we assumed that could happen (a long shot already), how are Gamespot supposed to control it?

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As much as I know you'd like to believe that GameSpot hates Nintendo enough to legitimately vote Einstein over Yoshi (They don't), that also means that GameSpot apparently loves a random horse from Zelda games more than any other Nintendo character in the contest.

And that would be worse than here.

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LeonhartFour posted...
As much as I know you'd like to believe that GameSpot hates Nintendo enough to legitimately vote Einstein over Yoshi (They don't), that also means that GameSpot apparently loves a random horse from Zelda games more than any other Nintendo character in the contest.

And that would be worse than here.

Yeah, the horse getting farther has got nothing to do with bracket placement or anything.

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Weighted Companion Cube is probably the strongest thing any of the Nintendo characters have faced, and Epona beat it easily.

At the very least, it would be stronger than Einstein, legitimately speaking.

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I mean, you realize that 4chan said they wanted Launchpad > Einstein for this contest before the contest even started, right?

So it's not just them hindsight claiming they affected the results.

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Hmm, let's see here.

Einstein beat Yoshi.
Horse beat Cube.
Yoshi would definitely beat horse.

By using the power of simple logic, I conclude Cube is not strongest.

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But you're apparently not using the power of simple common sense.

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Looking at patterns in the IP addresses of voters you can figure this out, as all the IP addresses in a private network/dial up will have many of the same numbers in them. I assume GameFAQs can do this in some fashion because this is why I was supposedly DQed in 2007. Also I think GameFAQs collects more information than just IP address when you vote-- if you collect information on the browser used/OS/etc you can usually catch a private network because they'll usually have a standardized setup so everything will match up there.

(I didn't cheat back then, mind you, but I did often vote on a dial up connection so I figure that's why I was "caught"-- only takes a few other regular voters using the same dial up ISP to make it "fishy"-- though I'm sure if they actually analyzed the actual content of the multiple votes and didn't find any real pattern in the "stuffed votes" favoring one side I would've been cleared there-- but Bacon is stubborn and would have none of it)

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Lopen posted...
Looking at patterns in the IP addresses of voters you can figure this out, as all the IP addresses in a private network/dial up will have many of the same numbers in them. I assume GameFAQs can do this in some fashion because this is why I was supposedly DQed in 2007. Also I think GameFAQs collects more information than just IP address when you vote-- if you collect information on the browser used/OS/etc you can usually catch a private network because they'll usually have a standardized setup so everything will match up there.

(I didn't cheat back then, mind you, but I did often vote on a dial up connection so I figure that's why I was "caught"-- only takes a few other regular voters using the same dial up ISP to make it "fishy"-- though I'm sure if they actually analyzed the actual content of the multiple votes and didn't find any real pattern in the "stuffed votes" favoring one side I would've been cleared there-- but Bacon is stubborn and would have none of it)

Except you can't prove anything that way, so it would simply be unfair to eliminate such votes. If gamefaqs does that, shame on gamefaqs. Gamespot only removes proxy votes which is 100% justified. Anything more than that is "Hey, let's skew the votes however we like!"

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You can get pretty strong evidence, at least by mapping runtime environments to votes to IP addresses. Strong enough to justify dqing votes I think.

I do however agree with you on that when it comes to GameFAQs because I think GameFAQs simply isn't very thorough with that stuff since I was falsely accused of this. They see a little evidence and just automatically assume.

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Well yeah, but it's still not enough. Leon's problem is that his stathead mentality is "Hey, the winner in this match wasn't cookie cutter, must be vote stuffing!"

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I stopped caring about this contest when Final Fantasy mainstays lost to Halo and Gears of War characters. So disheartening.

Also this Launchpad/Einstein/Dogmeat business is absolutely ridiculous, as is Epona beating Cube (yeah I haven't played either Portal game, but I would actually vote for both of them if they were against any game that Epona is in because I'm not such a huge fan of OOT, MM, or TP - the only top tier Zelda games to me are LTTP and WW).

None of Gamespot's prior contests was this stupid. I mean take a look at this:

Hero contest - Samus gets to the final four by beating more "mainstream" characters, and we get a worthy winner.

Villains contest - Kefka losing to Sweet Tooth and General RAAM's run was pretty stupid, but my current playthrough of StarCraft is telling me that the voters chose an excellent winner.

This contest - Luigi and Yoshi are both already out, whoopeedo. What an awful contest.

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I stopped caring about this contest when Final Fantasy mainstays lost to Halo and Gears of War characters. So disheartening.

GameSpot isn't the same as GameFAQs when it comes to their taste in characters and video games. In general, Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger are weaker on GameSpot compared to GameFAQs. PC games and characters do better on GameSpot than on GameFAQs.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...
I stopped caring about this contest when Final Fantasy mainstays lost to Halo and Gears of War characters. So disheartening.

That's normal. FF isn't all that loved on Gamespot. From the super popular franchises here, only Metal Gear is relatively the same strength there.

Also this Launchpad/Einstein/Dogmeat business is absolutely ridiculous, as is Epona beating Cube (yeah I haven't played either Portal game, but I would actually vote for both of them if they were against any game that Epona is in because I'm not such a huge fan of OOT, MM, or TP - the only top tier Zelda games to me are LTTP and WW).

Launchpad and Einstein kicking ass is result of a hilarious bandwagon - nothing wrong with that. Dogmeat rallies on the official Fallout Facebook page. The horse beating Weighted Companion Cube was ridiculous, I agree.

None of Gamespot's prior contests was this stupid. I mean take a look at this:

Hero contest - Samus gets to the final four by beating more "mainstream" characters, and we get a worthy winner.

Samus only got so far because Gamespot reversed Bub & Bob's win over her, mind you.

Villains contest - Kefka losing to Sweet Tooth and General RAAM's run was pretty stupid, but my current playthrough of StarCraft is telling me that the voters chose an excellent winner.

Eh, Vader or Joker should've won. :P

This contest - Luigi and Yoshi are both already out, whoopeedo. What an awful contest

Actually, that adds massively to its quality.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...
I stopped caring about this contest when Final Fantasy mainstays lost to Halo and Gears of War characters. So disheartening.

That's normal. FF isn't all that loved on Gamespot. From the super popular franchises here, only Metal Gear is relatively the same strength there.

Still, casual fratboy shooterfest characters beating Final Fantasy dudes is extremely disheartening to me. "Hardcore" PC characters are another thing entirely, of course.

Also this Launchpad/Einstein/Dogmeat business is absolutely ridiculous, as is Epona beating Cube (yeah I haven't played either Portal game, but I would actually vote for both of them if they were against any game that Epona is in because I'm not such a huge fan of OOT, MM, or TP - the only top tier Zelda games to me are LTTP and WW).

Launchpad and Einstein kicking ass is result of a hilarious bandwagon - nothing wrong with that. Dogmeat rallies on the official Fallout Facebook page. The horse beating Weighted Companion Cube was ridiculous, I agree.

It was hilarious to see Launchpad defeating Call of Duty and Halo characters, but that's it. Launchpad had no business defeating Zero, and Einstein had no business defeating Yoshi.

None of Gamespot's prior contests was this stupid. I mean take a look at this:

Hero contest - Samus gets to the final four by beating more "mainstream" characters, and we get a worthy winner.

Samus only got so far because Gamespot reversed Bub & Bob's win over her, mind you.

Also Samus beat Mega Man in that contest.

Villains contest - Kefka losing to Sweet Tooth and General RAAM's run was pretty stupid, but my current playthrough of StarCraft is telling me that the voters chose an excellent winner.

Eh, Vader or Joker should've won. :P

Nah, Kefka and Kerrigan are the greatest VG villains as far as I'm concerned.

This contest - Luigi and Yoshi are both already out, whoopeedo. What an awful contest

Actually, that adds massively to its quality.

OH COME ON...*shoots face*

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4chan does have a pull in this because they actually collaborate to screw the contest up.

It's not just a /b/ thing or a /v/ thing, it's all the boards together that join in a common effort to make 12 years old children and fanboys cry.

Or something.

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Oh and Reddit too is in this, 4chan and Reddit hate one another but I guess they joined force for this.

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In short, it's legitimate rallying, much like L-Block's victory here. Leon wrong as usual.

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4chan was one of the sites that was involved in L-Block's match with Link.

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Well yeah, it's legitimate rallying, but it's 4chan nonetheless.

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It's mostly Reddit, actually. 4chan small fry.

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Leon. Seriously. Vlado's been around 8 years and he's never shown himself to be worth a reasonable argument in that entire period. Stop.

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Yeah, pointing out simple facts that destroy Leon's "logic" is not "reasonable argument" at all.

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Differentiating between cheated votes and legitimate votes isn't always as easy as you make it sound. Just because GameSpot can't find the stuffed votes doesn't mean they aren't there.

I don't have any hard evidence of cheating since I don't have access to the actual voter data. However, in past GameSpot contests there have been suspicious voting patterns that suggest things aren't quite on the level. You were see massive vote spikes for one character that lasts about 4 or 5 minutes before they fall exactly back to their original level of support. I would expect a support from a rally to fade at a slower pace rather than being like an on/off switch. From the Gordon Freeman vs Link match we can see that the rallied voters aren't 100% loyal. Link also saw a small boost in the number of votes her got per minute when Valve started rallying. The suspicious vote spikes always favoured a single character 100%.

I haven't bothered tracking vote updates this year so maybe they've fixed the problems they had last year. Even if they haven't it's possible that the results are legtimate anyways.

Also one of the characters that was benefiting from suspicious vote patterns was Team Rocket from their villains contest so I'm not just accusing characters I don't like of cheating.

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As someone who is on /co/ all the time I can confirm that they have multiple threads about Launchpad McQuack and how to get him to win by any means necessary, all day every day, even when he doesn't have a match going on.

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S***, /v/ has been rallying Launchpad McQuack and Einstein since day one.

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KimPilgrim posted...
As someone who is on /co/ all the time I can confirm that they have multiple threads about Launchpad McQuack and how to get him to win by any means necessary, all day every day, even when he doesn't have a match going on.

He does have a match going on every day.

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Oh really? Well I just assumed otherwise. I haven't been paying attention to the contest itself.

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Also, vote spikes aren't enough proof to disqualify votes, even if they're suspicious.

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