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Vlado posted...
A comment on the Tails vs. Launchpad McQuack battle on Gamespot...

And then you guys dare tell me Gamespot isn't awesome!

I don't get humor. Both characters do that, but pointing it out isn't exactly "funny" to me.


Also you all should have just ignored Vlado the moment he said Luigi and Yoshi losing was a good thing. >_____>

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Also, vote spikes aren't enough proof to disqualify votes, even if they're suspicious.

I'm not saying it is. The idea would be for GameSpot to to use information I don't have access to to figure out where the votes came from. I don't mean make up a reason to get rid of the votes. If they are legit, they are legit and should stay counted. I just find it very hard to believe they aren't stuffed votes.

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Yeah, they could be stuffed, I agree as much.

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Only read first 20 or so posts, but I don't think its really significant cheating at all. 4chan is just so active that you post a link to it at any time of the day and hundreds if not over a thousand new people will see it and go vote for it.

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From: Vlado | #031
Well yeah, but it's still not enough. Leon's problem is that his stathead mentality is "Hey, the winner in this match wasn't cookie cutter, must be vote stuffing!"

Not quite. The problem here is that your obvious anti-Nintendo bias makes you want to believe all of this is legit. Despite the fact that Luigi had little to no problem destroying fodder the first couple rounds, Yoshi is apparently weak enough to lose to Einstein or Einstein is apparently legitimately that strong, despite the fact that there is very little reason to believe either of those is true. GameSpot doesn't hate Nintendo. They don't love it as much as we do, but they don't hate it.

I'm not arguing "stats." I'm arguing "common sense." Einstein legitimately beating Yoshi on a major website goes against common sense, and I'm pretty sure nearly everyone realizes this. And I'm pretty sure nearly everyone realizes that 4chan isn't above cheating, and they know how to do it.

From: Vlado | #043
Yeah, pointing out simple facts that destroy Leon's "logic" is not "reasonable argument" at all.

It would be if you were actually doing that. All you're basically saying is, "You can't prove there was cheating, so it must be legit."

That's a real sound argument there.

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And regardless, the original argument was "4chan is making this happen, not GameSpot."

So whether it's legitimately rallying or outright cheating, I'm not incorrect in that statement.

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Hello? Innocent until proven guilty.

Also, this is a bandwagon. If you think this is due to vote stuffing, you probably think the same about L-Block's triumph here, lol.

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I don't really care whether it's cheating or not.

The original point is that you were praising GameSpot for their good taste, when this is basically 4chan having their way with a poorly administered contest.

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If you read carefully, I never actually "praised Gamespot for their good taste". The site certainly deserves praise for these contests, though. THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end. Not this site's crap where Link/Zelda series always wins.

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Did you already forget that it was 4chan who was responsible for Gordon Freeman winning the last Gamespot contest as well as silly things like Bub & Bob > Master Chief?

Don't try to tell me Gamespot users were responsible for either of those.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Did you already forget that it was 4chan who was responsible for Gordon Freeman winning the last Gamespot contest as well as silly things like Bub & Bob > Master Chief?

Don't try to tell me Gamespot users were responsible for either of those.

You must be the only person who didn't know until now that Valve put a link to the contest on Steam and that's how Gordon won.

Stop attributing every awesome thing on the internet to a poor quality site like 4chan.

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Vlado posted...
If you read carefully, I never actually "praised Gamespot for their good taste". The site certainly deserves praise for these contests, though. THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end. Not this site's crap where Link/Zelda series always wins.

Uh, we know exactly what'll happen. We'll get a Launchpad/Einstein final.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
Did you already forget that it was 4chan who was responsible for Gordon Freeman winning the last Gamespot contest as well as silly things like Bub & Bob > Master Chief?

Don't try to tell me Gamespot users were responsible for either of those.

4chan wasn't responsible for Gordon, that was Steam posting an ad for the contest on its service

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FateStayAlbion posted...
Vlado posted...
If you read carefully, I never actually "praised Gamespot for their good taste". The site certainly deserves praise for these contests, though. THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end. Not this site's crap where Link/Zelda series always wins.

Uh, we know exactly what'll happen. We'll get a Launchpad/Einstein final.

Nevermind that they're in the same half of the bracket. -_-

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Vlado posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
Vlado posted...
If you read carefully, I never actually "praised Gamespot for their good taste". The site certainly deserves praise for these contests, though. THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end. Not this site's crap where Link/Zelda series always wins.

Uh, we know exactly what'll happen. We'll get a Launchpad/Einstein final.

Nevermind that they're in the same half of the bracket. -_-

Except they aren't.

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From: Vlado | #059
THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end.

My bracket has Einstein and Launchpad meeting in the finals because I knew this was what 4chan was going to do.

Regardless, being "unpredictable" is only one aspect of a good contest. The format, like doing all the matches at once, making the matches go on for way too long, GameSpot putting absolutely no effort whatsoever into promoting it, makes GameSpot's contests pretty bad.

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Vlado posted...
Yes, they are.

Nope.

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Edit: Oops, apparently, they really aren't. Gamespot just didn't put the matches in a coherent order.

Well, that's cool then. Both will have a hard time in the semifinals. Dogmeat has a solid rally going for him, and Otacon comes from the legitimately most popular franchise on Gamespot.

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The bracket final is top half versus bottom half, not left versus right. Launchpad is in the top half so he can meet Einstein who is in the bottom half in the final.

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LeonhartFour posted...
From: Vlado | #059
THESE are the contests I wanna see - ones where you don't know what'll happen until the very end.
My bracket has Einstein and Launchpad meeting in the finals because I knew this was what 4chan was going to do.

Regardless, being "unpredictable" is only one aspect of a good contest. The format, like doing all the matches at once, making the matches go on for way too long, GameSpot putting absolutely no effort whatsoever into promoting it, makes GameSpot's contests pretty bad.

What the hell? The format is fine, all matches at once is fine, matches lasting long is fine. Not everything has to be like on Gamefaqs to be good.

And what more should Gamespot do to "promote" it? There's already a link on the front page that's up at almost all times. They can't clutter their front page by actually putting the polls there, they're one of the biggest game sites, they aren't Gamefaqs.

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Well, that's cool then. Both will have a hard time in the semifinals. Dogmeat has a solid rally going for him, and Otacon comes from the legitimately most popular franchise on Gamespot.

Dogmeats rally is 4chan because they wanted to get rid of Luigi and Alyx who were perceived as threats. He'll lose that support once he goes against one of their guys.

And Otacon will just be killed next round.

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Dogmeat's rally is on the Fallout Facebook page, actually.

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From: Vlado | #070
they're one of the biggest game sites

And yet we can't get a match that's running for 2-3 days more than 30,000 total votes.

If there's a link to the contest on GameSpot's home page, I can't find it.

All matches at once is bad because it discourages a lot of people from voting in every match, particularly because you have to go through 32 different pages to do it in the first round. Matches being long is bad because there's only so much that happens in 4-7 days. These contests have very little drama and very little back and forth. They're mostly decided after the first day, so we're basically sitting here with the result decided for nearly a week before we can have new matches. Even a match like Diddy/Vivi, which was close on paper, was never back and forth. Vivi basically sat at 50.5% the entire match after the first day.

If there were an option where you could cast your vote for all the matches on the same page at once, it would be a little more user-friendly. In the later rounds it's not as much of an issue because there's only a handful of matches to vote on, but the format of the contest isn't conducive to getting people to vote in it, and the vote totals pretty much show that.

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Are there seriously people who think GameSpot's contests are legit? That is hilarious.

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You must be the only person who didn't know until now that Valve put a link to the contest on Steam and that's how Gordon won.

Stop attributing every awesome thing on the internet to a poor quality site like 4chan.
Any reason you completely disregarded Bub & Bob in this post? If they did it for them, they can definitely do it for Einstein.

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That's true. If it's a match 4chan cares about, it'll get votes.

But look at Vivi/Otacon (a match 4chan did not care about). Barely 40,000 after running for, what, 3-4 days?

And most of the votes are cast within that first day anyway.

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Vlado posted...
Dogmeat's rally is on the Fallout Facebook page, actually.

Trust me, on /v/, Dogmeat is being rallied just as much as the other two at this point.

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And what more should Gamespot do to "promote" it? There's already a link on the front page that's up at almost all times. They can't clutter their front page by actually putting the polls there, they're one of the biggest game sites, they aren't Gamefaqs.

GameSpot used to have a poll on their front page so it's definitely possible for them to do it if they wanted to.

If there's a link to the contest on GameSpot's home page, I can't find it.

The picture in the middle near the top of the page changes between a few things. One of them is the sidekick contest.

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Surskit posted...
You must be the only person who didn't know until now that Valve put a link to the contest on Steam and that's how Gordon won.

Stop attributing every awesome thing on the internet to a poor quality site like 4chan.
Any reason you completely disregarded Bub & Bob in this post? If they did it for them, they can definitely do it for Einstein.

Hmm, let me think......... Maybe I disregarded Bub & Bob because they've got nothing to do with Gordon winning.

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From: TRE Public Account | #079
The picture in the middle near the top of the page changes between a few things. One of them is the sidekick contest.

Huh.

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TRE Public Account posted...
GameSpot used to have a poll on their front page so it's definitely possible for them to do it if they wanted to.

Surely you also remember it was near the bottom of the page and wasn't in plain sight at all.

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FateStayAlbion posted...
Vlado posted...
Dogmeat's rally is on the Fallout Facebook page, actually.

Trust me, on /v/, Dogmeat is being rallied just as much as the other two at this point.



For example, heres one of the pics floating around there ATM.

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Otacon/horse is at 24k+ votes right now... I guess you'll tell me that's 4chan, too?

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FateStayAlbion posted...
FateStayAlbion posted...
Vlado posted...
Dogmeat's rally is on the Fallout Facebook page, actually.

Trust me, on /v/, Dogmeat is being rallied just as much as the other two at this point.



For example, heres one of the pics floating around there ATM.

Well, what can I do but high five whoever made this.

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Huh.

It's the big picture near the top of the page. It rotates between Gears of War 3, Start Select, Dead Island, Battlefield 3 and the Sidekick contest.

Surely you also remember it was near the bottom of the page and wasn't in plain sight at all.

That is true. I don't remember what vote totals those polls used to get so I'm not sure if it would still be an improvement anyways.

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The fact that a GameSpot contest can't even manage 30,000 votes in 24 hours (and it won't get much more than that from here on out) when we can get a lot more than that in 12 is pretty sad regardless.

I don't even really care who wins GameSpot's contests. It's not about that. I want to like them because I like video game contests, but they're so poorly administered that it's hard to enjoy them. GameSpot at least improved somewhat this year by drastically reducing the length of the contest, so that's a start.

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I just don't understand that sentiment. It's an unpredictable contest, so it's great in my book. Did you really want a Yoshi/Luigi final?

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But it's not an unpredictable contest. I already knew this was what was going to happen.

From: Vlado | #088
Did you really want a Yoshi/Luigi final?

From: LeonhartFour | #087
I don't even really care who wins GameSpot's contests. It's not about that.

And once again, there's more to a good contest than just being "unpredictable" anyway.

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Unpredictable =/= good


Not to mention Launchpad vs Einstein finals is just as predictable at this point.

Two bandwagon characters in the final is about as exciting as Link and Cloud.

Even then though, the contest shouldn't just be about who wins, but how the entire contest plays out. The low vote total kind of indicates a lack of caring.


But eh, I never pay attention to gamespot.

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The other thing is good characters winning. We didn't have all that many of those in this contest, anyway.

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From: Vlado | #080
Surskit posted...
You must be the only person who didn't know until now that Valve put a link to the contest on Steam and that's how Gordon won.

Stop attributing every awesome thing on the internet to a poor quality site like 4chan.
Any reason you completely disregarded Bub & Bob in this post? If they did it for them, they can definitely do it for Einstein.

Hmm, let me think......... Maybe I disregarded Bub & Bob because they've got nothing to do with Gordon winning.

...WELP, can't argue with that logic.

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No, the main thing is good matches.

I don't really care if the character I like wins every match if none of them are exciting.

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And I don't care at all for close matches unless I really like or dislike one of the characters.

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Vlado posted...
And I don't care at all for close matches unless I really like or dislike one of the characters.

So this is really all about what you want then.




Took quite a while to admit it but...

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Dark Young Link posted...
Vlado posted...
And I don't care at all for close matches unless I really like or dislike one of the characters.

So this is really all about what you want then.




Took quite a while to admit it but...

Well, shockingly enough, my enjoyment of stuff is derived from whether I am satisfied with it.

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Vlado posted...
Dark Young Link posted...
Vlado posted...
And I don't care at all for close matches unless I really like or dislike one of the characters.

So this is really all about what you want then.




Took quite a while to admit it but...

Well, shockingly enough, my enjoyment of stuff is derived from whether I am satisfied with it.

Yet your seem to have difficulty accepting when the majority doesn't agree with you. Odd that.

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Yeah, pointing out simple facts that destroy Leon's "logic" is not "reasonable argument" at all.

lmao

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And I don't care at all for close matches unless I really like or dislike one of the characters.

and wow, can't believe he admitted this. tempted to sig for posterity

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