Board 8 > Most Powerful Fictional Character 2011: Bracket and General Discussion [MPFC]

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OK, but this only happened when exposed to the Sonic Rainboom. Hardly replicable in a fight.


well white eyed Twilight happened at end of episode 2 with "EoH Twilight" lol

wonder what other shenanigans she will pull in season 2 which starts in a couple days.

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is it an inherent power of ganon that he takes spells from his opponents if he beats them.

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Wanglicious posted...
is it an inherent power of ganon that he takes spells from his opponents if he beats them.

Yes, assuming they have some. Can't take something like reality warping or attack techniques though. The user with the same name gets to pick, in an aversion of the usual rules.

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To be fair, I can also pick magical weapons/items as well, like I could in the Random Spell Tournament.

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Any characters left still needing write ups?

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Panthera posted...
Any characters left still needing write ups?

Tons. These characters need writeups from scratch, a tune-up, or an update:

-It
-Alex Mercer
-Yusuke Urameshi (if anyone can chime in to do a writeup for him that'd be great. Try to avoid powerscaling though - I know his manga and anime are really vague on details, but his writeup only covers ranged attacks and that's no good)
-The Masked Man
-Kizaru (I know we have a writeup of him, but Ed didn't include it in the email he sent me and so we probably will have to build one from scratch)
-All Negima characters.
-Ocelot (I can do it because I read the webcomic, but if DC wants to step up that'd be awesome because I have a limited amount of time to binge through the archives and gather feats and the original writeup is nice but kinda small)
-Zero (using only his peak form, whether that's MMZ or MMX)
-GANON
-Vriska
-Sonic
-Majin Buu
-Bryan Mills
-Darsh
-Ryu Hayabusa
-McNeely
-Rahl
-Time Trapper Prime
-Custer (not sure, the writeup we have is kinda old and might be missing something so if anyone could doublecheck it that'd be pro)
-Code Geass Lelouch (Nunally Lelouch is mostly covered)
-Yuki Nagato (like Kizaru, we're missing her whole writeup, which is a major blow)
-Gurren Lagann (Got a writeup for Super TTGL that I'm assuming is the form we're using; If we're not lemme know)
-Luffy (needs an update and a clear explanation of Haki ("****ing Haki, how does it work"))
-Chad.

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Add Hakumen to that list too. And reposting Neuro because it was a really easy writeup to fix.


Neuro Nougami
From Devil Detective Neuro, Neuro is a demon from hell. He weakens when fighting on earth, but his weakness is progressive rather than sudden. He is extremely resistant(able to tank up to an atomic bomb at full power) and has incredible speed, being able to catch a bullet with his eyelids. He also has access to the 777 Tools of Hell, which are tools he uses according to the situation.

http://nogamineuro.wikia.com/wiki/777_Tools_of_the_Demon_World

Neuro is also a super detective, able to tell an opponent's ability with merely a glance, once finding out a mutant by noticing the vibration in his molecules. By discovering a "mystery" or a secret that his opponent is hiding, he is able to eat the opponent's "soul" effectively destroying him in one hit.

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It

It is the primary antagonist of the Stephen King novel of the same time. It is a being from between dimensions that sent a physical manifestation of itself to Earth in the distant past, where it sleeps and periodically wakes to feed on human flesh and emotion. It is a shapeshifter, whose primary ability is to assume the form of whatever its victim fears the most, seeming to gain both the strengths and weaknesses of the shape it is in. While shifted, It is particularly vulnerable to its target overcoming their fear of It, as even a weak attack in this manner can drive It into temporary retreat.

The human mind cannot perceive It's true form, instead seeing only a gigantic spider, which is capable of devouring a man's arm in one bite. It also possesses the ability to form a mental connection to a target, dragging the victim's mind through empty space and eventually into It's true form beyond the boundaries of the universe, what It calls the Deadlights, the experience of which will consume the mind of whoever witnesses it; the victim can attempt through willpower and imagination to resist the effect, however. Being defeated in this test of wills causes severe, near-"fatal" harm to It.

Ideally I'd hope someone else can do Mercer, Masked Man (if that's the Mother 3 one, if not then I can't do anything) and Ocelot but in a pinch I could probably whip something up for them.

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Excellent writeup. One down, a bunch to go! :)

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And changed it a little to include some feats of the Word

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I made a writeup for Custer in the other topic, but can't be bothered to go find it. I'll whip up another

Jesse Custer is the main character of Preacher. A reverend from Texas, Jesse's soul is bonded to a supernatural creature named Genesis, granting him the Word of God. His verbal commands, if heard and understood, cannot be resisted by any means or by any being, no matter their level of power, and must be obeyed directly (this has extended to Jesse commanding an opponent with a gun to his head to 'Miss', forcing the otherwise unstoppable Saint of Killers to turn and walk away, and commanding a man to literally 'Go **** yourself'). Jesse also possesses excellent hand to hand skills, capable of defeating vampires and legions of special forces soldiers with his bare hands, and is a great shot with a gun.

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Excellent. There's a writeup I can use. That makes two out of the big list. Gotta love it when you make progress like that!

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These are from Anagram's MPFC contest.

***Spoilers for The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and One Piece***
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(2) Yuki Nagato (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Yuki is an emotionless Humanoid Interface shaped like a fourteen year-old girl because lolicon.
As an artificial human, she has numerous paranormal abilities. She is capable of manipulating the properties of the environment and any materials within it at any scale to her desire, referred to as "bogus magic" by Kyon. For instance, she can modify the "elemental boost information" of a baseball bat to hit only home runs, nullify data links (removing other artificial interface connections from their bodies), plus she is able to make a cover-up story (since Ryoko was gone, she made a cover up story that she moved to Canada), and reconstruct a classroom, down to the last detail, after everything in it was completely destroyed. As a result, she is capable of feats of superhuman strength, agility, and stamina. In one instance, she was unfazed while impaled by multiple metal spikes, and effortlessly reconstructed her body afterwards. Her state also affords her an extreme level of intelligence. She can comprehend the rules and concepts of a game instantaneously, as well as create flawless strategies based on her observations, and was able to learn how to play a guitar mere moments after receiving one.

(6) Admiral Kizaru (One Piece)
Admiral Kizaru is a dude from One Piece.
Kizaru's ability is called Pika Pika no Mi. He can:
- Turn himself into light, thus avoiding any attack
- Shoot beams of light from his body that hurt enemies
- Move and attack at the speed of light
- Transport himself by means of reflecting onto things
- Blind opponents
- Form energy blades (Kizaru is an expert swordsman)

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Note about Kizaru, TRE, that while he can do all of that he seemed to be at the very least hesitant to go against a gunner who had a gun on him. He is extremely strong to be sure, but I don't think he could stand up as well as most would think.

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lol at that writeup for Kizaru, but it's a start, and Yuki's writeup is great for the most part. Thanks for the save TRE! :)

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Would Asuna get the third version of her pactio artifact and the Code of the Lifemaker?

The problem with that is that it happened pretty recently (like a couple weeks ago) in the last chapters of an arc and a new arc hasn't started, so it's hard to tell whether or not it would count temporary powerup. Or what all Asuna can do with the Code. etc.

Though it probably wouldn't matter much since I don't think anyone in the contest would really be affected by the Code.

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When was Kizaru hesitant against a gun?
That literally makes no sense unless the gunner was a haki user.

***Spoilers for Prototype, Negima***
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From Most Powerful Fictional Character Invitational:
Alex Mercer

From Prototype, Alex Mercer is an amnesiac with superhuman abilities. Alex has superhuman strength (he can lift cars, helicopters, and the outer shells of tanks), speed (he can run as fast as city-traveling cars), agility (he can flip and maneuver around debris with ease) and durability (he can reform from a nuclear explosion so long as there is something to absorb to reform). He can also glide, is durable enough to survive direct hits from missiles and tank shells, and can leap across a city block.

Alex's primary ability is to absorb organic matter of living creatures, which gives him health boosts and grants him all the knowledge, experience, memories and skills of what he has absorbed. He can manipulate this excess “biomass” into augmentations for various weapons, shields, or full body armor; when he takes biomass to the extreme he can unleash it in powerful area-of-effect attacks called “devastators.” Alex's offensive weapons include claws, hammerfists (large hammers), blades, and whipfists (a ranged attack of sorts).

From Mumei's MPFC:
Jack Rakan
From Negima, Jack Rakan is a laidback yet powerful fighter. One of the few capable of taking on the legendary mage Nagi Springfield on equal footing, Rakan is a skilled hand-to-hand fighter with excellent physical durability and magical resistance, able to react to lightning-fast movements with years of experience; he is able to reverse the tide of battle while being pummeled simply by studying his opponent's attack. He can activate a defensive aura of magic that increases his durability, speed, and power; he can also dispel the defenses of a magical barrier with his hand.

Rakan's skill “The Man with a Thousand Faces” can create numerous bladed weapons that Rakan can instantly change on a whim, including a building-sized sword and numerous small blades; he can also charge energy into the weapons, use the weapons to parry attacks, and copy any type of weapon he wants. His Warship Breaker move charges up a building-sized sword with energy and hurls it at a target at hypersonic speeds. Rakan can also use his Hypersonic Halberd technique to create an explosion of roughly 300m. He can also exorcise spirits by attacking the soul directly.

Also from Mumei's MPFC with a few changes
Evangeline A.K. McDowell

From Negima, Evangeline A.K. McDowell is a dark mage. Cold and devilish, Evangeline has the body of a little girl, though she is actually over 500 years old. She has the powers of a Shinso vampire, which include rapid regeneration and flight; though she was impaled by a rock, she quickly healed from it and stated that she could not be harmed by physical means.

Evangeline specializes in ice spells and dark magic, and she can manipulate and control people as if they were puppets through her vampiric powers. She is also a master of Aikido, and can effortlessly take down a man twice her size; it is implied she learned the martial art directly from its creator. She is capable of moving around and attacking while in the middle of chanting the lines for her larger spells.

A copy of Eva that claims to be "many times weaker than the original" was able to fight Negi, who could move at speeds between Mach 448 and Mach 6642, for a long period of time before Negi could hit her.

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***Spoilers for Bastard***
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From Anagram's MPFC:
(X) Dark Schneider (Bastard!!)
This write-up is courtesy of Sir Chris (Achromatic), extremely heavily edited by myself.

Dark Schneider (commonly called "Darsh") is from the manga “Bastard!!” He is arrogant to the extreme, intentionally allowing his enemies to hurt him and let them think they've won before destroying them utterly.
Darsh has many different, varied, and terrible powers. Darsh was once a “mere” mage, capable of nuke level spells instantly and having a terrible amount of regeneration, this has only gotten bigger and better. As an example, he once killed a god of fire with a fire spell just to be a jackass.
Absorbing the Judas Pains, ie artifacts that grant terrible power at the cost of one’s own body (which hasn’t slowed Darsh down yet) he is now a universal threat. Uriel, trying to kill him, unleashed a spear attack that when Uriel was using 1/260th of his power destroyed a sun, at full power Darsh was able to block this with an attack of his own.
Darsh’s main attack is a spell called Judas Priest, that wipes a person from existence and in his majin form is instant cast and spammable.
Finally, Darsh has Dispelbound. Dispelbound creates any number of shields he desires instantly, each of which can absorb a nuke-level attack and even if destroyed absorbs all the rest of the attack regardless of how powerful it was. He can regenerate any number of these shields effortlessly and instantly. There exist no known means to destroy these faster than one at a time. Until these shields are all destroyed, he is completely immune to all attacks.
Also, because of the Judas Pains he cannot be torn from space and time and time travel attacks as well as simply trying to defeat him by making him “disappear” cannot work. In other words he is also immune to reality warping attacks, going back in time and killing him before he was powerful (or killing ancestors and so on), and the like.
Other spells Darsh can cast:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard!!#Magic
Interesting ones include:
Helloween: Can only be cast when the moon is right, powerful destructive spell
Black Sabbath: Creates a pocket universe, black hole, and million degree furnace all at once

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Time Trapper Prime is a version of Superman Prime who after tanking a universe destroying blast while being epicenter got sent into the time stream and eventually became the Time Trapper. As Time Trapper he's shown to have extremely high level over time, including travel, changing it, making pocket dimensions, access to every multiverse, freezing it, and messing around with it in general. Along the way of becoming Time Trapper he also he defeated Superman, Superboy, a souped up Kid Flash post-Speed Force improvements, and the combined forces of at least 3 different universe's Legions of Super Heroes at the same time. Said forces include multiple versions of Superman-like beings, Ion, and high level mages. He's just as tanky as he always has been - whether it's laughing off high level magic from beings with molecular control, Anti-Matter, or reality warping. Enough force is capable of knocking him out - though it took literally every multiverse' team of superheroes to attack him at the same time in order to knock him out for under a minute.

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Urza Planeswalker
Urza, from Magic: the Gathering, is a Planeswalker, an extraordinarily powerful immortal being granted near-godly powers by the ignition of a spark within his soul. Urza is four thousand years old, and tremendously cunning and powerful. He is a master artificer, capable of creating the Titans, colossal battlemechs capable of decimating hundreds of enemies with a single wave of their hands and equipped with a spectacular array of missiles and weapons. He also once devised a bomb capable of reducing a plane to nothingness. He has shown the ability to regenerate from lethal attacks, though sufficient force may be enough to incapacitate him, or destroy him if his supply of magic is completely drained. Additionally, Urza is a nearly unequalled sorcerer, with powerful spells and artifacts at his command, as well as a skilled warrior for his age. He has a strange weakness, however: should the stones in his eyes, the Mightstone and the Weakstone (used to empower or weaken artifacts), ever become damaged, the resultant energy discharge will be powerful enough to kill him outright.

Technically I don't think that last part is true. I know that one person argued in a prior MPFC that Urza has had his entire body destroyed countless times, to no ill effect because he can regenerate. Don't think I've read that novel though so I can't weigh in. Removing them works better, but I don't think it's an instant win either, by any means.


Host's Note: No using cards to powerscale Urza or infer his abilities. Work off of his novels or refrain from pitching in. Anyone caught trying to argue MtG cards in Urza's favor will be permanently banned from MPFC2k11.

Really think lore from the cards should be fair game too, because card lore and the novels cross-reference each other all the time. It's just game mechanics that should be avoided.

Also, would like to give my obligatory please don't allow Urza in pre-contest warning/plea.

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As a note TRE, I DO have access to previous writeups, except for the ones I mentioned. What I'm asking for is more people telling me what the most up-to-date versions of a character can do. For instance, Negi became stronger since his last match. So did Luffy. So if people who have read the latest pages of One Piece of Negima could clear up if they unearthed any new techniques, powers, etc., that'd be cool.

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Kenri posted...
Urza Planeswalker
Urza, from Magic: the Gathering, is a Planeswalker, an extraordinarily powerful immortal being granted near-godly powers by the ignition of a spark within his soul. Urza is four thousand years old, and tremendously cunning and powerful. He is a master artificer, capable of creating the Titans, colossal battlemechs capable of decimating hundreds of enemies with a single wave of their hands and equipped with a spectacular array of missiles and weapons. He also once devised a bomb capable of reducing a plane to nothingness. He has shown the ability to regenerate from lethal attacks, though sufficient force may be enough to incapacitate him, or destroy him if his supply of magic is completely drained. Additionally, Urza is a nearly unequalled sorcerer, with powerful spells and artifacts at his command, as well as a skilled warrior for his age. He has a strange weakness, however: should the stones in his eyes, the Mightstone and the Weakstone (used to empower or weaken artifacts), ever become damaged, the resultant energy discharge will be powerful enough to kill him outright.

Technically I don't think that last part is true. I know that one person argued in a prior MPFC that Urza has had his entire body destroyed countless times, to no ill effect because he can regenerate. Don't think I've read that novel though so I can't weigh in. Removing them works better, but I don't think it's an instant win either, by any means.


Host's Note: No using cards to powerscale Urza or infer his abilities. Work off of his novels or refrain from pitching in. Anyone caught trying to argue MtG cards in Urza's favor will be permanently banned from MPFC2k11.

Really think lore from the cards should be fair game too, because card lore and the novels cross-reference each other all the time. It's just game mechanics that should be avoided.

Also, would like to give my obligatory please don't allow Urza in pre-contest warning/plea.

Refusing precisely due to the reasons you stated. People didn't learn to distinguish italics text from plain text and thus Urza won matches he shouldn't have based on GameFAQS Urza factor. Not dealing with that, unlike I would for, say, Jaya Ballard who at least has a tightly knit set of spells that isn't Urzatron.

Also, the argument on regen is more or less poppycock and part of why I specifically pointed out that he can be restrained or neutralized without having to kill him a ton of itmes: Gerrard Capashen, the soldier he genetically engineered, decapitated him while depowered and Urza never reformed to full even though he could have, instead donating his powerstones to Karn the silver golem. Basically he can regen except it has caveats.

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Time Trapper Prime is a version of Superman Prime who after tanking a universe destroying blast while being epicenter got sent into the time stream and eventually became the Time Trapper. As Time Trapper he's shown to have extremely high level over time, including travel, changing it, making pocket dimensions, access to every multiverse, freezing it, and messing around with it in general. Along the way of becoming Time Trapper he also he defeated Superman, Superboy, a souped up Kid Flash post-Speed Force improvements, and the combined forces of at least 3 different universe's Legions of Super Heroes at the same time. Said forces include multiple versions of Superman-like beings, Ion, and high level mages. He's just as tanky as he always has been - whether it's laughing off high level magic from beings with molecular control, Anti-Matter, or reality warping. Enough force is capable of knocking him out - though it took literally every multiverse' team of superheroes to attack him at the same time in order to knock him out for under a minute.

So basically, I have to make a couple tiny adjustments. Just putting out a new link so everybody can check out a couple swaps exercised between the Friendship and Trapped divisions. The latter ends up much softer but it's not like it wasn't going to be a very likely stomp for Anti Spiral, plus we get some interesting lowcard matches. The former...well, take a look here:

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?edit=1&mode=results&tid=408528&tclass=

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'You do not have privileges to access this area'

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maybe you should consider taking out the edit=1 before posting bracket links

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'You do not have privileges to access this area'

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Does it seriously not allow people to PICK MATCHES

argh

Bracketmaker, you have made a mortal enemy this day!

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?&tid=408528&tclass=

This one should work.

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Refusing precisely due to the reasons you stated. People didn't learn to distinguish italics text from plain text and thus Urza won matches he shouldn't have based on GameFAQS Urza factor. Not dealing with that, unlike I would for, say, Jaya Ballard who at least has a tightly knit set of spells that isn't Urzatron.

There are stupid people (and smart people saying stupid things) in every match though. You're basically ignoring a whole field of evidence for a character that's already vague because some people can't tell the difference between obvious game mechanics and flavor text. Might as well ban any character from a video game because some people will inevitably argue game mechanics.

I don't even recall anyone seriously trying to argue for Game!Urza, though I do recall some people bringing it up to make a point. Where that point was, "this isn't even peak urza. you don't want to see peak urza. nobody wants to see peak urza." And I guess some people did it to try to make Urza seem weaker, via a whole "dies to 20 hits from a ****ing squirrel!" type argument. But whatever, it was never a big problem, in any case.


Gerrard Capashen, the soldier he genetically engineered, decapitated him while depowered and Urza never reformed to full even though he could have, instead donating his powerstones to Karn the silver golem. Basically he can regen except it has caveats.

Yeah, most characters with regeneration tend to have the caveat that they can only regenerate while they still have the ability to regenerate. >_> Yawgmoth removed Urza's planeswalker powers. He never got them back. And even if he had, he knew at that point that the Legacy Weapon was the only thing with a chance against Yawgmoth; that situation is not likely to come up within the confines of MPFC.

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Fix'd. Note to self: bookmark the page that leads to the bracket. Poaching the link from there leads directly to the basic version.

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Kenri posted...
Refusing precisely due to the reasons you stated. People didn't learn to distinguish italics text from plain text and thus Urza won matches he shouldn't have based on GameFAQS Urza factor. Not dealing with that, unlike I would for, say, Jaya Ballard who at least has a tightly knit set of spells that isn't Urzatron.

There are stupid people (and smart people saying stupid things) in every match though. You're basically ignoring a whole field of evidence for a character that's already vague because some people can't tell the difference between obvious game mechanics and flavor text. Might as well ban any character from a video game because some people will inevitably argue game mechanics.

I don't even recall anyone seriously trying to argue for Game!Urza, though I do recall some people bringing it up to make a point. Where that point was, "this isn't even peak urza. you don't want to see peak urza. nobody wants to see peak urza." And I guess some people did it to try to make Urza seem weaker, via a whole "dies to 20 hits from a ****ing squirrel!" type argument. But whatever, it was never a big problem, in any case.


Gerrard Capashen, the soldier he genetically engineered, decapitated him while depowered and Urza never reformed to full even though he could have, instead donating his powerstones to Karn the silver golem. Basically he can regen except it has caveats.

Yeah, most characters with regeneration tend to have the caveat that they can only regenerate while they still have the ability to regenerate. >_> Yawgmoth removed Urza's planeswalker powers. He never got them back. And even if he had, he knew at that point that the Legacy Weapon was the only thing with a chance against Yawgmoth; that situation is not likely to come up within the confines of MPFC.

As I recall what happened was that Phyrexia's final layer inhibited Urza's powers, not that Yawgmoth took them from him directly. Then Urza got beheaded and when taken out of Phyrexia didn't grow himself a new body because ???? (grief presumably, but yeah).

As for the card thing, here's my counterpoint: find me a card that does something Urza doesn't in the novels. One. By this I mean feats, spells, techniques, equipment, etc. that isn't overshadowed by the stuff he DOES. I'll wait. It's not worth the headache of people trying to use the wrong cards when he already does more than they show.

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Rakan hasn't changed since his last match so the previous writeup for him should still work.

We don't know that much more about Evangeline since her previous match. In addition to the previous changes I made, you could also add she has a spell which creates and ice tornado which spawns homing ice lightning vines that instantly freeze a target and ignores magical barriers. It freezes them in a large block of ice so regeneration doesn't help defend against the spell. The homing effect only works against magical constructs.

Negi is stronger than he was before but he doesn't really have any new numbers to put to his feats. One thing that could be added to his write up is he can now go into lightning form at will and his lightning. Also his lightning form actually lets him move at speeds between Mach 448 and Mach 6642. This last point supposedly comes from an interview with the author or a data book and is not stated directly in the manga. I'm not sure of the exact source of the statement, though.

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Looking on that write up posted for Yuki Nagato, I'm kind of curious as to why there's this discrepancy between it saying some relatively minor stuff and the last MPFC she was in where arguments were saying she was totally omnipotent and immune to anything that exists and all that.

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Revolver Ocelot (Last Days of FOXHOUND)

Revolver Ocelot is an agent of FOXHOUND, specializing in assassination and torture, and wielding his trademark pair of revolvers. This particular version of him possesses improbable aiming skills with his guns, able to shoot specific body parts of a flying bird while not looking at it, while aiming away from it, and while having his gun in his own mouth. On a different occasion, he defused a hostage situation by shooting directly through the hostage, with no harm done (Ocelot refused to explain how he did this). Ocelot possesses nanomachines that prevent him from being affected by telepathy, and suffers from Chronic Backstabbing Disorder, a disease that pathologically compels him to betray others. Due to this, Ocelot works for and against so many parties that it utterly confused telepath Psycho Mantis.

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Panthera posted...
Looking on that write up posted for Yuki Nagato, I'm kind of curious as to why there's this discrepancy between it saying some relatively minor stuff and the last MPFC she was in where arguments were saying she was totally omnipotent and immune to anything that exists and all that.

Third sentence. Read it very carefully.

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...and if Urza was only beaten due to being on a plane that took his powers from him, that isn't exactly reproducible

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Eh, there are a few other points worth mention about the Negima character recently.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v35/c321/4.html
Fate mentions there that Negi is catching up to Rakan in raw power.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/7.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/8.html
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_sensei_negima/v36/c332/9.html
Between those three pages Eva shows the ability to counter attacks from people on Fate's level without interrupting an incantation.

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DeathChicken posted...
...and if Urza was only beaten due to being on a plane that took his powers from him, that isn't exactly reproducible

Beaten by a normal dude. He was significantly threatened before by enemies of a higher caliber (but, being plot important, didn't die until later, of course).

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Being beaten by a normal dude isn't exactly saying much, if he was essentially a normal dude himself at the time

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DeathChicken posted...
Being beaten by a normal dude isn't exactly saying much, if he was essentially a normal dude himself at the time

I could be wrong here, but what he lost was his regeneration, his planeshaping powers, and the like. He was still a powerful wizard (one of the cards we're discussing even shows him trying to rob the normal dude of his lifeforce with a touch of death), not like he suddenly got depowered into being an old man with no skills.

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How updated is Luke's writeup? He's gotten a few new abilities as of the latest book series and I'm wondering if they're included.

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Looking on that write up posted for Yuki Nagato, I'm kind of curious as to why there's this discrepancy between it saying some relatively minor stuff and the last MPFC she was in where arguments were saying she was totally omnipotent and immune to anything that exists and all that.

Her upper limits are vague and open to interpretation. She does have another feat where she stole the abilities from someone capable of rewriting the universe and used the powers herself to rewrite the universe. The person with power to rewrite the universe also once used her powers to create a time loop where time kept getting reversed by two weeks after a certain date was reached but Yuki retained her memories of each time loop.

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Murphiroth posted...
How updated is Luke's writeup? He's gotten a few new abilities as of the latest book series and I'm wondering if they're included.

It boils EU Luke down to the essentials. Anything really stand out there? If so I'll see if it's worth adding.

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As I recall what happened was that Phyrexia's final layer inhibited Urza's powers, not that Yawgmoth took them from him directly. Then Urza got beheaded and when taken out of Phyrexia didn't grow himself a new body because ???? (grief presumably, but yeah).

Urza snorted. "You are a mere man. You cannot hope to defeat me. I am a planeswalker."
Before Gerrard could respond, the crowd spoke the words of Yawgmoth. "Not here, Urza. You are not a planeswalker here. We have stripped you of every weapon, every spell, every immunity. Here, you and Gerrard are both mortal. . . ."

So... I'll admit that it's more open to interp than I thought, but considering he never uses planeswalker powers again, I think it's reasonable that he lost them permanently. He definitely lost his magic, too, though. And Yawgmoth later banned the use of artifacts and traps.

And both Urza and Gerrard gained some degree of reality warping just from being in Yawgmoth's mental battlefield, but it wasn't Urza's original powers.


As for the card thing, here's my counterpoint: find me a card that does something Urza doesn't in the novels. One. By this I mean feats, spells, techniques, equipment, etc. that isn't overshadowed by the stuff he DOES. I'll wait. It's not worth the headache of people trying to use the wrong cards when he already does more than they show.

I can't find one (and I did check), but my argument has never been that the cards have something different. Rather that they back up what happens in the novels, lend consistency to a rather inconsistent character, and remove some degree of vagueness from some very vague feats. And it's an easier source for a lot of stuff than digging through the novels, especially when everyone can use Gatherer but most people don't own these books. But whatever, it's not going to be a huge loss, I just think it's silly.

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The main things he learned were Fold Space and Ayna-seff.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fold_space
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ayna-seff

The other stuff is much more situational.

He also has survived repeated encounters with the Star Wars equivalent of an eldritch abomination, but I'll save that for arguments against Sovereign.

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How's this? There aren't exactly a lot of objectve feats in the manga since it's mainly just Pokemon fighting Pokemon and I wasn't sure how much detail to go into for each of his pokemon.

Red
From the Pokemon Adventures/Special manga, Red is known as "The Battler" meaning out of all the Pokedex holders, Red's specialty is coming up with tactics and finding his opponent's weaknesses in the middle of a fight, and is probably the strongest trainer in the world overall, having beaten many of the strongest trainers (Elite 4, Team Rocket bosses, fellow Pokedex holders). His team as of the start of the FRLG arc (it has become slightly stronger since then, but nothing major) is as follows:

Level 88 Pikachu - knows Volt Tackle, the ultimate electric type move, can also generate an energy clone of itself with substitute and attack with long range electric attacks
Level 80 Poliwrath - Able to toss a ~900 lb. Steelix, uses water type moves, but is best at hand to hand combat
Level 82 Venusaur - knows Frenzy Plant, the ultimate grass type move, also skilled at using vinewhip to grab things from a distance and attacking multiple targets using razor leaf
Level 89 Snorlax - manages to stop an out of control bullet train, fights by taking advantage of its massive size and weight with moves like body slam and earthquake
Level 84 Gyarados - fights primarily using ranged attacks like hydro pump and dragonbreath.
Level 85 Aerodactyl - Agile flyer, can carry Red and other Pokemon

Some of Red's better showings include outsmarting Mewtwo and capturing him by bypassing his defenses, critically injuring (though losing to) Deoxys, a powerful opponent he knew next to nothing about. He also destroyed Guile Hideout (who possessed a sword that could deflect all Pokemon attacks and defeated all six frontier brains and pokedex holder Emerald at once) with the help of Gold in about two seconds.

The Pokemon are generally pretty similar to their game counterparts, having the same type weaknesses (but no immunities) and ability, having similar effects for their moves, down to having explicit stats for hp, attack, pp etc. However, Red is not limited to having one Pokemon out at time, and will fight with his entire team of six at once in a serious fight.

there's like 8 differnet mangas. >__>;
He also destroyed Guile Hideout (who possessed a sword that could deflect all Pokemon attacks
that was no sword. he exists there too is all.


further proof.





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Kenri: I agree it's a very silly restriction and I don't like having to use it. The alternative of people arguing Urza using Timetwister (I recall this was discussed in the topics even) is so much sillier I don't even want to think of it. It happened once and that was enough. This is tolerable in the case of game characters because what is argued is both their sole medium and generally has some plot backing. Urza has stuff that is pure plot to draw from, however, and the rampant confusion there was about his powers made it so he was only defeated because people antivoted him since they believed he could use cards to do basically any effect you could think of. Think of it this way: nobody argues game stats as proof of anything anymore because it gets you laughed at. Because he comes from a different medium, Urza doesn't run by those rules, or did not in his last outing. The host note is just a way to make people understand that voting based on the games of Magic they played isn't valid.


Metalex: Good stuff. I have a basic writeup for Red, but that version is way better and will be what I use for him, sans a few minor edits.


Murphi: Noted. Fold Space probably merits adding to his writeup. Ayna Seff not so much though.

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Kenri posted...
As I recall what happened was that Phyrexia's final layer inhibited Urza's powers, not that Yawgmoth took them from him directly. Then Urza got beheaded and when taken out of Phyrexia didn't grow himself a new body because ???? (grief presumably, but yeah).

Urza snorted. "You are a mere man. You cannot hope to defeat me. I am a planeswalker."
Before Gerrard could respond, the crowd spoke the words of Yawgmoth. "Not here, Urza. You are not a planeswalker here. We have stripped you of every weapon, every spell, every immunity. Here, you and Gerrard are both mortal. . . ."

So... I'll admit that it's more open to interp than I thought, but considering he never uses planeswalker powers again, I think it's reasonable that he lost them permanently. He definitely lost his magic, too, though. And Yawgmoth later banned the use of artifacts and traps.

And both Urza and Gerrard gained some degree of reality warping just from being in Yawgmoth's mental battlefield, but it wasn't Urza's original powers.

Also, forgot to comment on this, but I realized it just now: It's a pity nobody's ever tried to nominate Yawgmoth. Might as well be "nominate the contest host, with the ability to manipulate the bracket", almost literally. Look at him placing down match conditions! :P

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Yawgmoth was nominated for one contest, I forget which. Think he had enough to get in, even. But whoever was running it went "ahahahaha nooooooooooooo that is not going to happen".

At this point I want Yawgmoth to get in just so I can be like, "You all thought Urza was bad? Here is a character who could fight a hundred Urzas and never be in danger." >_>

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Kenri posted...
Yawgmoth was nominated for one contest, I forget which. Think he had enough to get in, even. But whoever was running it went "ahahahaha nooooooooooooo that is not going to happen".

At this point I want Yawgmoth to get in just so I can be like, "You all thought Urza was bad? Here is a character who could fight a hundred Urzas and never be in danger." >_>

I'd only bet on three characters beating Yawgmoth. All three are author avatars to a degree, and two are plot devices.

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