Board 8 > AoD 985: Valve releasing Steam sales #s would end the PC gaming is dying debate

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Zachnorn
08/26/11 1:38:00 PM
#1:


The nomination had to be reworded to fit into the topic title. Original wording: If Valve would release Steam sales numbers, it would end the "PC gaming is dying" debate.

I would like to apologize to the people that follow these topics. Lately, I have been extremely busy, mostly at school and getting ready for it. Hopefully things have calmed down, and I hope I can be more consistent with these topics. If not, I hope you can understand.

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984 Results: 1994 was the best year of gaming in the '90s.
Agree: 8
Disagree: 38

My view: People will always say that PC gaming is dying. In fact, the new thing is that people are saying that the PC in general (never mind gaming) is dying to smartphones and tablet computers like the iPad. Also, PC gaming has apparently been dying since the 80s. So...disagree.

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Zachnorn
08/26/11 1:39:00 PM
#2:


Showing 42 noms out of 83 total. (51%)

Five
Some poor selling games should get sequels (Nom: crazyisgood, Doma, Ulti, LMS, Ultima) - 986
Death row inmates should have the right to be organ donors. (Nom: GenesisSaga, Doma, Ulti, Ultima, Kazbar) - 987
Temple of Doom > Raiders of the Lost Ark (Nom: DomaDragoon, Ulti, LMS) - 988
In less than 2 years, gas prices in the U.S. will reach $5.00. (Nom: Ulti, Doma, pae) - 989
Raw milk and cheeses>Pasteurized milk and cheeses (Nom: MSS, Doma, Ulti, GenesisSaga, pae) - 990
+10 more

Four
None of your personal top 10 games of all time have ever been on a Sega console. (Nom: Doma, pae, Ulti, YAS)
Superman would beat Batman in a no-holds-barred fight even with preparation (Nom: Anagram, Doma, Ulti, Natwaf)
Cheating authority is ok, but cheating equals is not. (Nom: Colgreen, Ulti, pae, Doma)
"The Internet" only hates Family Guy because South Park told them to (Nom: Menji, Ulti, pae)
Samus' personality in Other M is underrated. (Nom: Ulti, LMS)
+2 more...

Three
Phineas & Ferb > My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic (Nom: Natwaf_akidna, Ulti, Doma)
GameFAQs has horrible taste in games. (Nom: LMS, Ultima, Doma)
The Metroid series is going to go dormant for a good while again. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
Sirloin Steak > Filet Mignon (Nom: Ulti)
Smell > Taste (Nom: pae, Ulti, nameplz)
In a fight with no weapons, an astronaut would beat a caveman (Nom: Anagram, RayDyn, Ulti)
2007 was one of the best years of gaming ever. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
Despite the smaller overall number of Pokemon, RBY were the most difficult games to "Catch them all" in. (Nom: DomaDragoon, 521, Ulti) (Denom: whatisurnameplz)
Reaction images do not belong on Board 8 (Nom: Ulti, paerarru; Denom: mnkboy)
Rocket Power was a good cartoon show (Nom: Ulti)
My Little Pony Friendship is Magic is a better show than The Powerpuff Girls (Nom: Ulti)
The advent of home consoles was the greatest milestone in the gaming industry. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
+14 more...

Two
You have agreed with the results of a majority of the first 1000 AoDs (Nom: Doma, Ulti)
The events in Shaun of the Dead are more or less how a real zombie apocalypse would play out. (Nom: YAS, Ulti)
Comic Book characters need to age (Nom: crazyisgood, Ulti)
In your opinion, you've already lived the best years of your life (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti)
Soft pretzels > hard pretzels (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti)
Chronic will always be the AoD guy, no matter how long Zach hosts. (Nom: ctes, Ulti)
America will have another Black President before it has a Female President (Nom: VeryInsane, Ulti)
You would rather see a Final Fantasy crossover RPG than a 3rd Dissidia game. (Nom: Doma, Ulti)
There's nothing wrong with using built-in cheat codes for single player games. (Nom: Doma, Ulti)
Donkey Kong 64 >= Banjo-Kazooie (Noms: DomaDragoon, Ulti)
Gamma World 7e > DnD 4e (Nom: Shados, Ulti)
People who do the 'First!' thing in website comments should be banned from the internet. (Nom: GenesisTwilight, shados, Ulti) (Denom: Leonhart)
dcigs is the funniest YouTube comedian (Nom: Ulti)
The Watchmen movie ending> the graphic novel ending. (Nom: Ulti)
Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger should've been more commercially successful than they actually were. (Nom: LMS, Ulti)
The Sonic Roller is the most annoying enemy in any Sega Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog games. (Nom: Ulti)
+15 more...

One
The DC Animated universe should be continued or rebooted. (Nom: YAS)
No matter what current-gen system it was announced for, a 3rd Chrono game would outsell DQX in North America (Nom: YAS)
Animal Crossing series > The Sims series (Nom: Kazbar)
Dragon Quest VIII is the only amazing game in the series (Nom: Real Truth, Ulti) (Denom: Mortamor)

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OMG_ItsZachnorn
08/26/11 1:39:00 PM
#3:


ATTN: LMS

I would like all of my current nominations to be COMPLETELY removed from the queue if possible, please.

Unfortunately, I could only do this with two nominations. The rest of the nominations had someone else nominating them as well. Although I can cancel your nominations, I can't cancel nominations from other people unless they ask for it. Additionally, nominations that do not have a name attached to them cannot be removed, because I have no record of who nominated what. Those nominations happened before I began to keep track of such things.

These nominations have been removed:
Resident Evil 4 was the best GameCube game.
The StarCraft series did not deserve to get to the finals in G4's contest.

These nominations remain, unless the other nominators choose to cancel them:

Five
Some poor selling games should get sequels (Nom: crazyisgood, Doma, Ulti, LMS, Ultima)
Temple of Doom > Raiders of the Lost Ark (Nom: DomaDragoon, Ulti, LMS)
Super Mario Kart is the best Mario Kart. (Nom: LMS, DYL, Ulti, Kazbar, 521)
Chrono Trigger > any Final Fantasy (Nom: LMS, Ulti, Ultima, Natwaf)

Four
Samus' personality in Other M is underrated. (Nom: Ulti, LMS)

Three
2007 was one of the best years of gaming ever. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)
GameFAQs has horrible taste in games. (Nom: LMS, Ultima, Doma)
The advent of home consoles was the greatest milestone in the gaming industry. (Nom: LMS, Doma, Ulti)

Two
Wii > N64 (Nom: speedpunk, LMS, Ulti, OctilIery, Evillordexdeath, paerarru) (Denom: VeryInsane, GenesisSaga, My Immortal, Palmer, GMUN, Leonhart, FFDragon, Kazbar)
Melee is the best Smash Bros. game. (Nom: LMS, 521)
GameCube > N64 (Nom: LMS, speedpunk)
Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger should've been more commercially successful than they actually were. (Nom: LMS, Ulti)
The Metroid series is going to go dormant for a good while again. (Nom: LMS, Doma)

At best, I can reduce each of these nominations by one, again unless the other people choose to cancel their nominations. Let me know if you want me to do that.

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Vlado
08/26/11 1:42:00 PM
#4:


Disagree. If people are "intelligent" enough to still argue PC gaming is dying after 15 years, nothing will make them change.

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foolm0ron
08/26/11 1:43:00 PM
#5:


D

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SovietOmega
08/26/11 1:51:00 PM
#6:


Sadly, disagree

It would likely give evidence to the pro pc gaming side, but as we all know, there is no room for rationality in debates >_>;;

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DomaDragoon
08/26/11 2:02:00 PM
#7:


Disagree. Though Valve should release Steam sales numbers anyway.

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Soft pretzels > hard pretzels (Nom: Kazbar, Ulti)
You would buy a new Pokemon Trading Card game if it was released for the DS or 3DS.
You would still cheer for your favorite player if he was traded to your least favorite team.

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Phase
08/26/11 2:26:00 PM
#8:


Disagree. I've come up with hard numbers in any number of other topics before. Arguments still raged on for quite a while.

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shadosneko
08/26/11 2:34:00 PM
#9:


From: Vlado | #004
Disagree. If people are "intelligent" enough to still argue PC gaming is dying after 15 years, nothing will make them change.



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jck4332
08/26/11 2:37:00 PM
#10:


Vlado posted...
Disagree. If people are "intelligent" enough to still argue PC gaming is dying after 15 years, nothing will make them change.

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MarvelousGerbil
08/26/11 2:47:00 PM
#11:


Disagree, who still debates this?

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Zachnorn
08/26/11 8:41:00 PM
#14:


And leave LMS's stuff in, he is not above this topic.

I'm considering doing this. Honestly, I am going to create some kind of rule about cancelling nominations.

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Shoenin_Kakashi
08/26/11 8:42:00 PM
#15:


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Emporer_Kazbar
08/26/11 8:44:00 PM
#16:


Disagree, unfortunately.

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Veola
08/26/11 8:52:00 PM
#17:


D.
We all know the people who have been heralding every single year as the end of PC gaming forever despite things being fricken fine can't be shut up. Certainly not with facts.
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Zachnorn
08/27/11 10:16:00 PM
#18:


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SuperAngelo128
08/27/11 10:18:00 PM
#19:


Disagree

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Xiahou Shake
08/27/11 10:29:00 PM
#20:


Disagree, sadly.
People are stupid, no numbers can change that.

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OmarsComin
08/27/11 10:31:00 PM
#21:


What numbers are out there already? I've never seen anything except for the occasional company trying to guilt pirates with either "we can't make money anymore maybe we won't make games" or "we're being forced onto consoles because there's no money on PCs." I haven't seen any hard stuff.
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Zachnorn
08/28/11 8:37:00 AM
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Pram_the_Oracle
08/28/11 8:40:00 AM
#23:


There was a debate about this? O_o

Then again, I stay out of Console VS PC war threads. Anyway, Disagree.

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Ultimaphazon
08/28/11 8:56:00 AM
#24:


Disagree

People are stupid and will still argue against fact.

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Zachnorn
08/28/11 9:04:00 PM
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KCF0107
08/29/11 5:50:00 AM
#26:


Disagree

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Midgar Zachnorn
08/29/11 10:56:00 AM
#27:


up

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kevwaffles
08/29/11 11:07:00 AM
#28:


Disagree. Nothing resolves any argument in the world of gaming other than the argument itself becoming outdated.

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Psycho_Kenshin
08/29/11 1:09:00 PM
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KCF0107
08/30/11 3:19:00 PM
#30:


up

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Dorami
08/31/11 1:24:00 PM
#31:


Agree. Or at least it would end it as anything but a fringe argument held by very few rather than a common perception as it is now.

Nominate: Pharmaceutical companies should stop adding fruit flavoring to its syrup form drugs.

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KCF0107
09/01/11 4:55:00 PM
#32:


up

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Zachnorn
09/02/11 11:51:00 PM
#33:


I'll make a new topic soon >_>

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SubDeity
09/03/11 12:02:00 AM
#34:


Disagree

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tazzyboyishere
09/03/11 12:24:00 AM
#35:


Disagree

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Rad Link 5
09/03/11 12:47:00 AM
#36:


From: Vlado | #004
Disagree. If people are "intelligent" enough to still argue PC gaming is dying after 15 years, nothing will make them change.



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KCF0107
09/03/11 9:20:00 PM
#37:


up

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FFaddict1313
09/03/11 9:45:00 PM
#38:


Disagree because people are stupid enough to debate over anything.

And if you want to restrict this to intelligent debates, then this is a still a disagree because that debate is already over there!

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Zachnorn
09/04/11 9:22:00 PM
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Zachnorn
09/04/11 9:23:00 PM
#40:


Disregard that. I edit my AoD posts in the convenient Quick Post box before I make the real topic, and accidentally hit post without preview. This AoD is closed. New AoD in a few minutes.

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