Board 8 > Poll results are lol-worthy.

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If you can't appreciate how dramatically casual gaming has impacted the handheld market, then it's time to take a day's break from GameFAQs and go talk to anyone with an iPhone.

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You could be right for all I know, but I figure anyone who doesn't own a DS/3DS or PSP wouldn't have bought one regardless of if they had an iphone or not.

I still feel like specialized handheld gaming consoles and portable phone games have completely different markets. Once the two start to merge, then one will start dying out, probably the former, but I don't see that happening for at least a few more years.

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Eh, talk to me again about this one once Pokémon stops selling a bajillion copies.

I don't think anyone is arguing the impact of phones/tablets on casual gaming. Doesn't change the fact that I myself want a normal gaming machine, for actual games. I'm sure I'm not alone on this subject. I'd rather have a gaming device with a phone attached, than a phone with the ability to play games. The Vita almost does this with Skype.

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I don't see bite size gaming ever taking over the hardcore market for handhelds.

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pjbasis posted...
You could be right for all I know, but I figure anyone who doesn't own a DS/3DS or PSP wouldn't have bought one regardless of if they had an iphone or not.

There's definitely a younger audience (like 5-12) who thinks "why spend $30 on DS/PSP games when I can spend $1 on iPhone games".

I have to admit, if I were that age now, I'd probably take the same attitude--the same way I never used arcade machines to buy 5 minutes of gaming for $1, when I could rent a game for three days for $5.

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The hilarious thing are the people voting for the last option. I can think of absolutely zero justification for that one...

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Maybe those people are anticipating the end of the world next year?

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For the record, I think the 3DS and Vita will do just fine (not DS/PSP fine but they'll have full lifespans), but they will be the final generation of dedicated gaming handhelds.

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Cell phone [...] gaming isn't too significant in Japan

Are you... sure... about that?

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JaKyL25 posted...
For the record, I think the 3DS and Vita will do just fine (not DS/PSP fine but they'll have full lifespans), but they will be the final generation of dedicated gaming handhelds.

Cell phone/Ipad gaming isn't too significant in Japan, and Handhelds dominate way more over there then here. PSP for instance sold almost as much as all 3 consoles combined this generation. Handhelds will be around for a while.

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Console gaming as a whole will probably turn into a portable/home system hybrid before dedicated handheld gaming dies. Imo.

Jeff Zero posted...
Cell phone [...] gaming isn't too significant in Japan

Are you... sure... about that?

Well its still somewhat popular, but no where near as popular as it is in the West. Most people still have clamshell phones that aren't powerful enough to compete with the handheld systems.

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I dunno. I have a hard time seeing a future where ANGRY BIRDS is going to take over dedicated handheld systems.

Maybe the Vita will suffer, but Nintendo has Pokemon. Check mate, Angry Birds.

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Last I checked, handhelds are still doing fine.

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Hey, it's not just stuff like Angry Birds. You can get stuff like Final Fantasy Tactics on your iPhone/iPad!

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Well its still somewhat popular, but no where near as popular as it is in the West. Most people still have clamshell phones that aren't powerful enough to compete with the handheld systems.

Ah yeah, true. I'm just thinking about how a few years ago people over here were laughing at cell phone games in Japan and now look where we are.

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I think it's more likely that handheld systems will just end up incorporating some kind of phone service rather than just rolling over and dying, if that's where the market heads. Nintendo may hold out longer, but I don't think Sony would have any problem with that.

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All forms of portable gaming -- cellphones included -- are popular in Japan. Dedicated portable gaming devices will outlive home consoles over there, I would say.

As far as the iPhone goes, I have one, it's nice for a 5-10 minute distraction while you're put waiting for something, but it's not something to spend much time with. It's not going to give you a great experience like Mario or Dragon Quest can. Dedicated portables may not be as popular going forward, but there will always be an audience for them. The DS is the best-selling and most successful game system ever. The iPhone hasn't done much to stop it from selling 400k+ each month in the US!

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The DS is the best-selling and most successful game system ever.

it ended up overtaking the PS2?

Hm, a comparison of purchase of games purchased versus the income of the customers would be an interesting analysis. Also I vaguely suspect that aside from several fairly prominent iphone games, the rest fail far more compared to the difference between the best selling DS games and the average DS game.

Can we say the revenge of the N-gage if cellphone based gaming takes off LOL

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The thing about that is that Cell Phone gaming is going to catch up to DS-level gaming, whereas there's really no point in 3DS/Vita gaming getting more and more complex, since most people (at least North Americans) don't play portables for console-level experiences. They have consoles for that.

I think absolutely an iPad (maybe not an iPhone) can give you a great experience like Dragon Quest. Mario platforming, maybe not.

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I think the point here is, that almost everyone acknowledges that dedicated portable gaming is not a market that is going to grow. The absolute best it can do is keep the share it currently has.

Meanwhile, cell phone gaming is absolutely not going to shrink. The worst it can do is keep the market share it has.

Think about that for a few minutes.

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It seems to me like the best conclusion to this situation is just giving the handheld consoles a cell phone. Alternatively, build high tech phones with video game buttons on the side. That would be the ideal merging.

It seems to me like the best conclusion to this situation is just giving the handheld consoles a cell phone



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yeah but executed better so that it isn't bad!

I think the point here is, that almost everyone acknowledges that dedicated portable gaming is not a market that is going to grow. The absolute best it can do is keep the share it currently has.

This is well-put.

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I liken this to the "PC gaming is going to kill Consoles/Console gaming is the end of PC gaming" that comes up every so often. Fact is, there is a solid market for people who want a portable game system, and there is a solid market for people who want a tablet/smartphone, but will also play games on their device. Some people even have both. The markets don't necessarily need to steal marketshare from each other.

That's as true of consoles as it is portables. The major growth of the industry going forward will come from casual / social / mobile games. Still, the DS and PSP combined have sold over 230 million units worldwide. Those numbers may not grow this gen, but they won't dramatically shrink either.

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Those numbers may not grow this gen, but they won't dramatically shrink either.

Yes they will.

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Even so, I don't think they'll shrink enough for either portable to be considered a failure.

Which makes me wonder whether or not we might actually see another portable gen after this one. My first thought was "no," but both companies are stubborn (especially Nintendo) and trends might not be enough. I could see them having to actually SEE a portable fail before giving up.

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There will be no reason for Nintendo to give up its portable business. It will adapt before it will be shutdown. It has always been a major source of profit, and it will be for a long time. They're more likely to converge their console / portable into one, if anything. Dedicated portables aren't in any real danger of being made irrelevant.

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